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Panthers sack Griffin 4 weeks from finals

Russell Coight

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'Elsewhere' based on the fact our club has identified two NRL coaches we are looking at + an alleged meeting with Cleary already taking place + statements from two Tigers board members.

The only thing missing is Ivan Cleary, who hasn't said a peep. If Cleary actually wants to stay he would have said so by now don't you think?

Nah
 

OldPanther

Coach
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Have to correct this as pointed out by Bob:

So far as we know the agreed facts are:

  • Gould sacked Hook Monday
  • Cleary met Penrith for discussions two weeks ago
  • G̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶C̶l̶e̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶a̶r̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶H̶o̶o̶k̶ - media and fan speculation
  • Penrith CEO Fletcher says there’s been no contract tabled to Cleary
  • Tigers CEO Pascoe says there’s been no request for release and none would be granted in any event.
 

Mr Angry

Not a Referee
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Truth is Nathan has blossomed under Griffin.

He is one of the first picked in first grade and is NSW halfback.

All under Griffin.
 

Spade

Juniors
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It would be a dog act and his reputation would take a massive hit, his signed shit players like Josh Reynolds and Mbye on big deals he has to stick it out surely
 

MilkShark

First Grade
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Put a 5 million dollar transfer on fee on him.

Gould needs to pay for his hiring and firing.

Sick of this prick.

Used to like Penrith but this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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The following is from the NRL's website -

Ivan Cleary addresses players as Wests Tigers discuss compensation option

Author:Michael Chammas Chief Reporter
Timestamp: Wed 8 Aug 2018, 12:00 PM

Ivan Cleary addressed the Wests Tigers players on Wednesday morning for the first time since news broke of Penrith's plan to lure him back.

NRL.com understands he couldn't guarantee where he would be next season. He couldn't lie to his players, admitting he had a tough family decision to make.

The Tigers have called an extraordinary board meeting on Wednesday night to discuss the future of the organisation, however as it stands Cleary has not yet asked for a release and is not expected to front the board.

Wests Tigers will fight to ensure that release is rejected if requested, however they are also prepared for things to escalate with the Panthers in the pursuit of Cleary's signature.

They have discussed putting a multimillion-dollar compensation fee on the coach and demanding player transfers from the Panthers if Cleary is to ask for a release from the final two years of his contract.

That's the last resort. Their intention is to deny any potential release request and expect Cleary to continue business as usual, such is their opinion of the coach.

Some would argue Cleary's position at the joint-venture club is almost untenable given the amount of consideration he has already given to leaving the club to link with his son Nathan at the Panthers.

But the reality is the Tigers have been thinking about extending his tenure, not ending it.

The problem is Ivan's unbreakable bond with his son, and rightly so, it has clouded the usually unflappable coach's judgement.

For months the Tigers have been gearing up to raid the Panthers for their halfback to join Luke Brooks, Josh Reynolds and Moses Mbye in the spine. They wanted the Cleary combination.

It's not that Nathan doesn't want to join the Wests Tigers. Perhaps it's more accurate to suggest he just doesn't want to leave Penrith. It's where he played most of his junior footy. It's where he went to school. It's where all his friends play.

The Tigers know this isn't about anything but family. Ivan loves the Tigers. He's happy at the club.

But in the background, his son senses an opportunity for the family to be reunited and that is something Ivan just won't disregard.

The tug-of-war between the two clubs has escalated, with Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe declaring the club would not be bullied by their western Sydney rivals.

The Tigers have vivid memories of the Panthers putting a $1 million transfer fee on Matt Moylan when they were in discussions with him about leaving Penrith last year.

Penrith have also been privately reminding people of all the coach and player contracts the Tigers have ended early in recent years, including that of their last coach, Jason Taylor.

Panthers general manager Phil Gould on Tuesday night retweeted a story from the Western Weekender in 2015 which highlighted Pascoe's resignation from the Panthers to take up the job as Tigers chief executive.

Pascoe didn't breach his contract and only had to provide four weeks' notice, but the Panthers haven't forgotten the way in which he left and the staff he took with him.

Tigers chairwoman Marina Go was on business duties in Melbourne when news of Penrith's interest in Cleary broke earlier in the week.

She has returned to Sydney and has called for a meeting of the board to discuss the predicament the club now finds itself in.

Canberra prop Shannon Boyd was asked about the demise of Anthony Griffin at a press conference in Canberra on Tuesday. He mumbled his way through but when the cameras stopped rolling he turned to the reporters and asked "who is Anthony Griffin?"

Cleary story revived from long ago

The third-most read sports story on The Sydney Morning Herald website on Wednesday morning was "Panthers confirm Ivan Cleary as new coach". The catch was it an article written in 2011 when the Panthers signed Cleary from the Warriors, by NRL.com reporter Brad Walter when he was working for Fairfax Media.

The article gained a second life after a cleverly misleading tweet was posted a couple of days ago by a Manly fan.
 

Tiger5150

Bench
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Not only will Ivan Cleary destroy his own reputation and probably damage his own coaching career long term with this stunt, he is probably robbibg his son for $300-500K a year in his contract. Who is going to bother bidding on N Cleary november 1? Penrith can pay him what they want.

This whole thing is bad for EVERYONE except Penrith. Bravo Gus I guess.
 

johnny plath

Juniors
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Not only will Ivan Cleary destroy his own reputation and probably damage his own coaching career long term with this stunt, he is probably robbibg his son for $300-500K a year in his contract. Who is going to bother bidding on N Cleary november 1? Penrith can pay him what they want.

This whole thing is bad for EVERYONE except Penrith. Bravo Gus I guess.
I think this is an interesting one, and probably not much the nrl can do, but if Ivan moves, Penrith can essentially pay Nathan f**k all and save a shit load of salary cap space, while they pay Ivan a shit load. Dad then just gifts Nathan his portion of dads salary. Its not like father and son need a contract, just a nod and a wink that I'll give you a mill a season while we're together.
 

Juju

Juniors
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One things for sure - Gould shouldn't have a role in commentary or as a pundit if he's prone to f ing over other clubs and gloating in the media about other FG coaches approaching him.
His cheeky little comments/stabs and media manipulation have made me lose a bunch of respect for him.
 

Front-Rower

First Grade
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Time for old Harry T to step up to the plate if he loves the club so much and pay for all the legal fees...hell probably has more chance of freezing over though :):)
 

The Rosco

Bench
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I thought it was pretty tacky of Gould when he said they had already received 12 applications from other candidates including current first grade coaches.
This sure is tacky, but the filthiest thing that grub did was . . . a week after the meeting with IC ( where they discussed everything except IC coaching penrith. wink wink), he puts out a media release saying that if NC wants to leave and play under his dad, penrith are too compassionate, genuine and honourable to stand in his way, and will happily grant him a release if he WANTS TO LEAVE TO PLAY UNDER HIS DAD'S COACHING. All this masturbatory waffle 7 days after they put the wheels in motion for NC not to have to leave to play under IC.
Go F yourself gould. I hope this all comes back to ruin you, and those in your club who masterminded this. You lowlife piece of dogshit. The curse of 25 season ending injuries upon you and your club.
 

Tiger5150

Bench
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Not only will Ivan Cleary destroy his own reputation and probably damage his own coaching career long term with this stunt, he is probably robbibg his son for $300-500K a year in his contract. Who is going to bother bidding on N Cleary november 1? Penrith can pay him what they want.

This whole thing is bad for EVERYONE except Penrith. Bravo Gus I guess.

Yes but what is stopping Penrith paying as little as possible for the pair of them? If this hadnt happened after 1/11/18 there would have been a bidding war for N Cleary and Tigers (maybe others) would have waded in. I think N Cleary would have stayed at Panthers but it would have pushed his price up and Panthers would have paid more. This way there is no market pressure on his price and Panthers will pay him less.

Ivan has screwed them both out of $$$$$
 

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