ParraFirst plays down Fitzgerald link

[Maroubra Eel]

helps Mario get all his produce up to the firehouse to flog to us

Can't blame him for that. By buying in bulk he probably gets a good deal for the Leagues Club (and himself).

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

lol@MITS and his Climate Change crap.

1) Our emissions will rise in the future so whatever spin the alarmists put on it, the Carbon Tax is a failure and a scam.

2) Even forgetting point 1), we're aiming to reduce our emissions by 5% (of the 1.4% of anthropogenic carbon in the atmosphere). MASSIVE and TOTALLY worth taxing billions of dollars for!!!

3) It's a socialist redistribution of wealth and nothing more.

Of the approximate 50ppm rise that can be attributed to anthropegenic causes since 1750, our "goal" would look to slice off ~0.05ppm - and we're being taxed for this? When we're not actually achieving it because our emissions will rise?

What a load of absolute crap!

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Have to agree HJ. It is a load of shit.

 

[Delboy]

Vote #1 HJ, spot on big boy

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A Majority voted in Kevin, and wanted him to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. Kyoto includes the ability to reduce our GHG by "Flexible Mechanism" which is where International Carbon Trading comes from and this price readies Australia for it and should see us reach our Kyoto goals.

Except that while you can force companies to pay tax, you can't force them to conduct business in your country, and when you try and screw them because the voters told you that 'big business' are the ones who should foot the bill, big business takes most of their investment offshore to places where it's cheaper to operate.

This is how Wayne Swan was ambushed and flogged by lower than expected tax revenue.

You just can't force people to invest in your country. If you don't offer favourable conditions they will take their money elsewhere.

 

[Etu Uaisele]

Did you just touch my ass ?

 

[eels81236]

I don't even read nospam46 so I have NFI what is going on. I think the carbon price stinks for the increasingly struggling manufacturing industry but I really want to know who that Etu merkin is.

 

[whall15]

EU I think it's disingenuous to suggest that we vote Liberal.

 

[Etu Uaisele]

I don't even read nospam46 so I have NFI what is going on. I think the carbon price stinks for the increasingly struggling manufacturing industry but I really want to know who that Etu merkin is.

The last 7 words of your first sentence sums it up enough for me .( I'm classing NFI as a word just for the demonstration )

 

[eels81236]

Disingenuous. Good word. Too long for someone who votes Labor, surely.

 

[eels81236]

The last 7 words of your first sentence sums it up enough for me .( I'm classing NFI as a word just for the demonstration )

It didn't need summing up, mate. It's what I said.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It was really more of an abridgement.

 

[born an eel]

It was really more of an abridgement.

isn't abridgement to join the 2 sides together,
I don't see that happening

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Except that while you can force companies to pay tax, you can't force them to conduct business in your country, and when you try and screw them because the voters told you that 'big business' are the ones who should foot the bill, big business takes most of their investment offshore to places where it's cheaper to operate.

Except you can't generate Power for Australians off Australian shores. Nor can you mine Australian Minerals off Australian shores.

This is how Wayne Swan was ambushed and flogged by lower than expected tax revenue.

You just can't force people to invest in your country. If you don't offer favourable conditions they will take their money elsewhere.

No the Surplus was eaten by the states and the investment in infrastructure (in this country) clause.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

lol@MITS and his Climate Change crap.

1) Our emissions will rise in the future so whatever spin the alarmists put on it, the Carbon Tax is a failure and a scam.

2) Even forgetting point 1), we're aiming to reduce our emissions by 5% (of the 1.4% of anthropogenic carbon in the atmosphere). MASSIVE and TOTALLY worth taxing billions of dollars for!!!

3) It's a socialist redistribution of wealth and nothing more.

Of the approximate 50ppm rise that can be attributed to anthropegenic causes since 1750, our "goal" would look to slice off ~0.05ppm - and we're being taxed for this? When we're not actually achieving it because our emissions will rise?

What a load of absolute crap!

Go to bed and hug you John Howard doll you neocon :crazy:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Except you can't generate Power for Australians off Australian shores. Nor can you mine Australian Minerals off Australian shores.

You can buy power for Australians from overseas. Plenty of countries find it cheaper than producing their own.

And you don't have to mine Australian minerals at all. There's plenty of minerals in the ground all over the world. If ours are too expensive to get out of the ground they will be too expensive to sell on the world market. That would defeat the purpose of mining them in the first place.

No the Surplus was eaten by the states and the investment in infrastructure (in this country) clause.

Swanny didn't even see that coming hey?

 

[Suitman]

It didn't need summing up, mate. It's what I said.

That's what I thought too.

Suity

 

[Etu Uaisele]

It didn't need summing up, mate. It's what I said.

Well lucky I said " sums it up for me " then isnt it Forrest .

 

[mrt_spec]

Go to bed and hug you John Howard doll you neocon :crazy:

lulz, nice straw man.

Regardless of your stance on the global situation/climate chance, labors response has been pure utter failure.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Go to bed and hug you John Howard doll you neocon :crazy:

My figures are solid, MITS.

50ppm = 0.005% of the atmosphere.

Of that, Australia has contributed 1.4% = <1ppm = 0.0007%.

We're seeking a reduction of 5% of our 1.4% = 35ppt = 0.000035% of the atmosphere.

There will be absolutely ZERO effect from our actions (and that's assuming anthropogenic carbon emissions even have any significant effect at all).

Yep, let's tax us billions for it!

It's wealth redistribution, watermelon style!