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[IFR33K]

The coach was known for his offloading ability when he played. I'd say he remembers how important it is to support the ball carrier.

Remember, most players aren't fit enough to support on every play. This is what makes Billy Slater so good.

So supporting one play usually means you're taking yourself out of the next one. Players aren't making good decisions about when to support and when to set up for the next play. Don't forget we have brand new halves plus Paulo (playing like a half), plus last night our hooker was only playing his second game in first grade.

Yep, supporting the runner is a waste. Anyway we may not be fit enough to support the ball carrier.

We are better off getting Hindy and moi moi running one out into a wall and getting dominated. This leads to slow play the balls. We should then repeat for the following for four tackles.

Now that's a game plan.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There's plenty of supporting the ball carrier. It just doesn't fool the opposition because our props can't pass.

 

[IFR33K]

There's plenty of supporting the ball carrier. It just doesn't fool the opposition because our props can't pass.

Fui and Hindy offloaded well in 09, can't see why they can't pass before the line. I know Hindy has done so, in a couple of games.

It wouldn't be too hard to get the forwards running in pairs, and occasionally popping a short pass.

I just think SK wants them to play the percentages, and not give away cheap possession.

Come to think of it, I don't think the dogs forwards were known for their passing game last year. Hasler just knows what works. The man deserves credit, a great league brain.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Fui and Hindy offloaded well in 09, can't see why they can't pass before the line. I know Hindy has done so, in a couple of games.

n.

It's a bit of a different skill though, isn't it? Not saying they can't learn, but being able to pop an offload while standing in a tackle tests different abilities to passing while running hard at the line.

 

[Pazza]

the bulldogs forward learnt it in one off season!

 

[IFR33K]

It's a bit of a different skill though, isn't it? Not saying they can't learn, but being able to pop an offload while standing in a tackle tests different abilities to passing while running hard at the line.

Yes it is. Not asking them to throw cut out passes to the wingers, but just a short passing game to ask a few questions of the defense.

 

[lingard]

Why does anyone move to Perth?

And I was at the zoo in South Perth on Wednesday. Nice part of town.



Actually I was taking the piss lingard. You're the one pretending to know something you don't.

Well, duh. I know you were taking the piss.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

the bulldogs forward learnt it in one off season!

Well, Smith, Hagan, Anderson (as well as SK) were unable to teach Hindy to do this over a 12-13 year period.

 

[lingard]

He's not my mate, he's the coach of my footy club. And I'm very happy with the way he's building the squad.

Are you also very happy about how he`s coaching the team?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hasler just knows what works. The man deserves credit, a great league brain.

He's definitely a great coach. It's a shame there's not 16 of him.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Are you also very happy about how he`s coaching the team?

It's impossible to know how he's coaching the team. They're mostly playing their best so he can't be doing a bad job.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

the bulldogs forward learnt it in one off season!

They were doing it last year. Probably why Hasler chose to go there.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

They were doing it last year. Probably why Hasler chose to go there.

Yeah they went good last year.

 

[Eels Dude]

It's a bit of a different skill though, isn't it? Not saying they can't learn, but being able to pop an offload while standing in a tackle tests different abilities to passing while running hard at the line.

First step is getting them to train to do it... which I highly doubt Kearney is.

 

[Pig Mouth]

 

[strider]

Young players making poor decisions, e.g. Sio contesting bombs he shouldn't. This isn't a coaching issue - the player knows as well as the rest of us slobs watching at home that he shouldn't risk an error going for those, but out on the field he has a blood rush and takes the wrong option. That will only improve with experience.

Then there's old, weak players (and young, weak players) falling off tackles and failing to slow down the play-the-ball. Likewise in attack too many of our kids and oldies don't have the strength to break tackles or push off defenders and get the pass away.

All this contributes to players not trusting themselves or their teammates to do what's required and making basic errors.

f**k knows how the coach should be able to fix any of that other than telling them to not make any errors in our own half and keeping the ball down the other end of the field.

yes one day he'll be as wise as Luke Burt and not go for those kicks ..... its hilarious how Burt is a softcock for not going for those same kicks, yet Sio is young and inexperienced and shouldn't be going for them - like Burt doesn't, oh hang on then Sio would surely be a softcock too


fact is players are now coached not to go for those kicks unless absolutely necessary - players from all teams - even hte good ones

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

First step is getting them to train to do it... which I highly doubt Kearney is.

As per my earlier post.....how the f#$# would we know what skills training they do? Maybe you have better info than me (to be fair it would be hard to have worse info than me).

We observe what happens on the field, which is affected by coaching/training, the players' innate abilities / effort, the opposition, and a fair bit or random shit that occurs on any particular occasion. Coaching may well be to blame for our fortunes....I just don't get how people are so sure that this is the problem. Happy to concede that some people may have better 'inside' info than me....maybe I'm talking shit, but I'm not embarassed to say that I don't think the cause of our problems is as obvious as most people think it is.

 

[Eels Dude]

As per my earlier post.....how the f#$# would we know what skills training they do? Maybe you have better info than me (to be fair it would be hard to have worse info than me).

I make the assumption because we never do it in matches. Not only do we never do it, but we never even attempt or even try such plays which leads me to think we don't train for it, or if we do train for it we obviously don't train for it enough. Given how poor we are in that department we should devote an entire day's training session to them doing something which is a basic fundamental of modern day rugby league. Don't let them go home until they master it. We're not going to start winning games until we get a roll on in the forwards and test and tire the defence by having the forwards work together instead of this continual one dimensional stuff.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I make the assumption because we never do it in matches. Not only do we never do it, but we never even attempt or even try such plays which leads me to think we don't train for it, or if we do train for it we obviously don't train for it enough. Given how poor we are in that department we should devote an entire day's training session to them doing something which is a basic fundamental of modern day rugby league. Don't let them go home until they master it. We're not going to start winning games until we get a roll on in the forwards and test and tire the defence by having the forwards work together instead of this continual one dimensional stuff.

Look, you're probably right. I'd just say that it is similarly plausible that we do cover certain skill sets in training, but they become redundant when we don't time our runs / get quick play the balls / clear dummy half etc in real game time. I realise this all becomes circular (why don't play the ball quickly....coz we ran one out and got smashed). Honestly, we don't have the players to do particularly well this year. This doesn't mean that better coaching wouldn't have improved things...but I'm unconvinced that this is our biggest problem. I would perfectly understand if SK get the sack tomorrow. Can just see us going round and round in the same circles.

PS.
I visited Perth for work last month. Maybe that has affected my thinking.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

yes one day he'll be as wise as Luke Burt and not go for those kicks ..... its hilarious how Burt is a softcock for not going for those same kicks, yet Sio is young and inexperienced and shouldn't be going for them - like Burt doesn't, oh hang on then Sio would surely be a softcock too

No, Burt's a softcock because when he plays wing he only makes 70 metres a game. Sio makes 120+ metres every week, he's hungry for the ball and he's fearless in his runs. He also puts his body on the line in defence.

fact is players are now coached not to go for those kicks unless absolutely necessary - players from all teams - even hte good ones

I never criticised Burt for not going for bombs. Most of the time letting it bounce is better than the risk of knocking it on near your tryline. Everyone knows that.