Peachy now gone???

[franklin2323]

No it’s not, he’s a brilliant coach. Look at the kids he has developed to replace smith, Cronk and Slater they are look the goods. Look at how he regularly gets more out of bog average players than any other coach. I used to doubt him but not now, Bellamy made the storm not smith. He has created a brilliant culture up there.

He’s 100 times better than Griffin. Griffin got the job cause he is Gus friend and they share a manager no other club even cane close to signing him when he was out of a job. Griffin is a shitty man manager and that’s the most important part of the job otherwise you’re constantly beefing with at least one player in the team which we are seeing now.

He is the best coach in the game if he was available any club would snap him up. Would they have the same success though? 10 finals in 10 seasons is pretty hard to match.

Cronk, Smith and JT are top 10 players ever. Having 2 in the same team for 11 seasons makes coaching seem easier. What was the score in the 2008 GF when Smith doesn't play? Throw in early days of him coaching they were 25% of over the cap along with Smith inflates that record.

Many have had blow ups with him. Matt Lodge threatened to knock him out after training. Maloney and Munster have both mentioned having words with him. There wouldn't be a single NRL coach to not have a blow up with a player over the course of the season

 

[billypilgrimnz]

No it’s not, he’s a brilliant coach. Look at the kids he has developed to replace smith, Cronk and Slater they are look the goods. Look at how he regularly gets more out of bog average players than any other coach. I used to doubt him but not now, Bellamy made the storm not smith. He has created a brilliant culture up there.

He’s 100 times better than Griffin. Griffin got the job cause he is Gus friend and they share a manager no other club even cane close to signing him when he was out of a job. Griffin is a shitty man manager and that’s the most important part of the job otherwise you’re constantly beefing with at least one player in the team which we are seeing now.

Only franklin could spend 2 years defending everything Griffin does and then turn around and express doubt about the coaching ability of Bellamy.

 

[ACTPanthers]

No it’s not, he’s a brilliant coach. Look at the kids he has developed to replace smith, Cronk and Slater they are look the goods. Look at how he regularly gets more out of bog average players than any other coach. I used to doubt him but not now, Bellamy made the storm not smith. He has created a brilliant culture up there.

He’s 100 times better than Griffin. Griffin got the job cause he is Gus friend and they share a manager no other club even cane close to signing him when he was out of a job. Griffin is a shitty man manager and that’s the most important part of the job otherwise you’re constantly beefing with at least one player in the team which we are seeing now.

Sorry betcats, but you're wrong on this... He's at least 1000 times better than Griffin

 

[CCJohnC]

Can we have a I hate Griffin page so I don't have to read it 50 times each day!!

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Can we have a I hate Griffin page so I don't have to read it 50 times each day!!

How about you create a "CCJohnC moans about everything" thread and we promise we won't go in there?

 

[CCJohnC]

How about you create a "CCJohnC moans about everything" thread and we promise we won't go in there?

I only moan at the continued repeating of Griffin negative comments.

 

[ACTPanthers]

Can we have a I hate Griffin page so I don't have to read it 50 times each day!!

You know there's an ignore function on this site right? Feel free to ignore my posts, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest champ...

 

[hindy111]

I dont think he is a super coach. But from some of the comeback and late win ive seen from the last 2 seasons it looks like a team who plays for the coach and ot one that doesnt.
Make of that what you will.

 

[franklin2323]

Only franklin could spend 2 years defending everything Griffin does and then turn around and express doubt about the coaching ability of Bellamy.

Only you could take something clearly explained and twist it around. Because you are slow here goes:

Any team would take him - meaning he is the best coach in the game

Would he get the same win %?

Look Cameron Smith's record in Origin, Tests etc.

What is the Storms record without Smith?

Then throw in the stripped comps from cheating

The skill of Smith/Cronk/Slater combined with cheating has inflated the coaching %

Elsewhere he'd run at 60% still successful but not 10 years straight finals good

 

[franklin2323]

I dont think he is a super coach. But from some of the comeback and late win ive seen from the last 2 seasons it looks like a team who plays for the coach and ot one that doesnt.
Make of that what you will.

No one here has said he is a SuperCoach. Not that we are a completed team. Pretty much every stat shows we have been better the last 2 years then we have the 8 or so before.

We could win the next 3 comps and some will say it was the players and not the coach. Some people are never happy

 

[OldPanther]

No one here has said he is a SuperCoach. Not that we are a completed team. Pretty much every stat shows we have been better the last 2 years then we have the 8 or so before.

We could win the next 3 comps and some will say it was the players and not the coach. Some people are never happy

If we won 3 in a row I'm pretty sure Hook and the current team would become legends at Penrith. I hope they test your hypothesis though.

 

[franklin2323]

If we won 3 in a row I'm pretty sure Hook and the current team would become legends at Penrith. I hope they test your hypothesis though.

I doubt that. Maybe it was the way Ivan went but despite everything showing we are better than we were nothing seems good enough. Be great to test though

 

[Westernised Panther]

So about Tyrone Peachey.............

 

[OldPanther]

So about Tyrone Peachey.............

You mean the reserve grader filling in while DWZ is injured?

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Only you could take something clearly explained and twist it around.

I don't believe this is true in two ways: 1) you clearly are expressing doubts about Bellamy's coaching, and 2) you are a grandmaster at taking something and twisting it around. Don't shortchange yourself, champ!

 

[mxlegend99]

I dont think he is a super coach. But from some of the comeback and late win ive seen from the last 2 seasons it looks like a team who plays for the coach and ot one that doesnt.
Make of that what you will.

Matt Moylan and Bryce Cartwright are two players who supposedly didn't like the coach or what he wanted from them atleast.

Both were big parts of a few comeback wins. I dont think it had anything to do with playing for the coach. At the end of the day all players want to win. For themselves. For their teammates. To keep the coach happy. Fans happy etc.

Comeback victories also tend to occur once a team is at a point where they need to tossthe game plan out the window and rely on individual brilliance and freakish plays.

 

[mxlegend99]

I doubt that. Maybe it was the way Ivan went but despite everything showing we are better than we were nothing seems good enough. Be great to test though

Up until 2013 we were rebuilding our team and the roster was not top 8 material. 2014 to present is the roster after its rebuild. Although it has largely changed since then. We have had NRL quality players across the board with great depth.

Ivan took us to top 4 and week 3 of finals with largely the same roster we had in 2016. Only less experienced and earlier in its development.

2015 was a write off due to injuries to irreplaceable players. We started off 2015 with 2 great wins. Soward gets injured. Then Idris. Moylan. Whare. Mansour. etc and we never had close to a stable roster. But the upside to those injuries was strengthening the quslity of our depth... Hook was the guy who benefitted from that though

Hook inherited a top 4 quality roster with a shitload of experienced depth. He came in after Goulds 5 year plan was pretty much done. This roster cant match top 4 teams under him and barely scrapes into the finals. The window for a premiership is getting smaller the more talent we lose. 2018 needs to be our year. I cant see our roster getting stronger anytime soon.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Can we have a I hate Griffin page so I don't have to read it 50 times each day!!

Yes please. but sa

Matt Moylan and Bryce Cartwright are two players who supposedly didn't like the coach or what he wanted from them atleast.

Both were big parts of a few comeback wins. I dont think it had anything to do with playing for the coach. At the end of the day all players want to win. For themselves. For their teammates. To keep the coach happy. Fans happy etc.

Comeback victories also tend to occur once a team is at a point where they need to tossthe game plan out the window and rely on individual brilliance and freakish plays.

If you're saying that then: Cartwright must be a liar right ? ?

Like other coaches I don't rate Griffin as a brilliant coach. But I don't rate him as a complete dud either. To me Hook is an average run of the mill coach, just like Cleary and many other coaches. A dud coach doesn't get a team well into the finals 2 years in a row.

I'm not saying Hook is a tactial genuis either. But he's not the worst in the league either. As I said earlier he's average.

I will get back to what this thread is supposed to be about. Peachy. I hope he stays, I fear though we will be outbid by non development clubs like Titians who have more money in the piggy bank.

On this forum i would like to see various threads stay on track, i,e, what there title suggests instead of continually becomming a 'I hate Hook thread' Surely such comments can be kept to one thread, rather than be spread across the whole forum by one or two posters.

 

[OldPanther]

Yes please. but sa





If you're saying that then: Cartwright must be a liar right ? ?

Like other coaches I don't rate Griffin as a brilliant coach. But I don't rate him as a complete dud either. To me Hook is an average run of the mill coach, just like Cleary and many other coaches. A dud coach doesn't get a team well into the finals 2 years in a row.

I'm not saying Hook is a tactial genuis either. But he's not the worst in the league either. As I said earlier he's average.

I will get back to what this thread is supposed to be about. Peachy. I hope he stays, I fear though we will be outbid by non development clubs like Titians who have more money in the piggy bank.

On this forum i would like to see various threads stay on track, i,e, what there title suggests instead of continually becomming a 'I hate Hook thread' Surely such comments can be kept to one thread, rather than be spread across the whole forum by one or two posters.

I think Peachy will go unless he thinks he'll get some extra success here and rep footy. Gus already said we can't match the Titans offer unfortunately.

As for Griffin I don't like him but he is better than Kearney or Ricky "destroyer of clubs" Stuart.

 

[Exsilium]

Peachey was always going to be a square into a triangle hole type player.

Like Austin and Wade Graham before him, he is a victim of his versatility. He can play centre, he's effective but long term it isn't his position. He can start in the forwards but he's less effective given his style of play. He's a utility bench player at best and our bench is stocked with talent.

We've had some success with him and he's been great for us, sad to see him go but unless he gets picked in one position and persisted with then he will always be shuffled about.

I'd rather have two specialist centres then a make-shift one personally.