Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[madunit]

Maybe the international rugby league should adopt that approach! ?

I think it's something they have started work on, given the changes in the International calendar for this year and onwards from there.

 

[Stallion]

I think it's something they have started work on, given the changes in the International calendar for this year and onwards from there.

Agree. Though the mistakes are still being made. No Kangaroos test against a touring Lions team. And then a World nines siphoned off to only a pay tv coverage and not simulcast with a free to air network is not exposure that helps grow the international game. It's seems very constrained to my eye for the Australian scene in international rugby league.

 

[tri_colours]

Agree. Though the mistakes are still being made. No Kangaroos test against a touring Lions team. And then a World nines siphoned off to only a pay tv coverage and not simulcast with a free to air network is not exposure that helps grow the international game. It's seems very constrained to my eye for the Australian scene in international rugby league.

Yes, but at least these type of things are coming back onto the agenda . Progress, maybe a bit slow. but It has only been 8 years since we got the game back.

 

[Stallion]

Yes, but at least these type of things are coming back onto the agenda . Progress, maybe a bit slow. but It has only been 8 years since we got the game back.

Agree. And they should be absolutely on the agenda. That's the most important direction for rugby league. It's international relevance. This gives rugby league a definite advantage over other rival codes such as AFL. It matters. Ofcourse we have codes such as rugby union doing their level best to limit/stop the international growth of rugby league. But that's the history and struggle for this more attractive and deserving code. Mind you the administrators within rugby league can cop some blame as well. To not have a 2019 South Pacific touring Lions team against the Kangaroos is an embarrassment for international rugby league and rugby league the code!

 

[Perth Red]

I'm not sure any of that has anything to do with NRL expansion!

 

[Stallion]

I'm not sure any of that has anything to do with NRL expansion!

Not sure if it doesn't either! ? Probably worth discussing as a related topic but I see your point. It was a stream that flowed on from earlier comments about innept decisions from the current RL administrators .

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I would suggest that locality based derbies are very attractive for locals. They engender a rivalry that us very much cultural and community based. This does matter when supporting a certain club.
You will be pleased to know that there was plenty of Rugbyleague paraphenalia worn by many on the cruise (mostly 45 year old plus males).Enjoyed some interesting conversations about footy as well and got a good idea on what many are thinking or not thinking.

Would you be so kind as to post crowd figures for the Brisbane v Cowboys at Suncorp and the Storm v Warriors at AAMI over the last decade and then give me an example of two consistently bigger drawing rivalries in Sydney over that same time period?

 

[Stallion]

Would you be so kind as to post crowd figures for the Brisbane v Cowboys at Suncorp and the Storm v Warriors at AAMI over the last decade and then give me an example of two consistently bigger drawing rivalries in Sydney over that same time period?

There are things such as cultural rivalries with locational factors still involved. You will find the 'big brother " rivalry along with an intra Queensland rivalry exists with the Broncos v Cowboys. Melbourne v Warriors is once again based on plenty of Kiwis living in Melbourne and to certain extent an across the Tasmania rivalry with an Anzac day emphasis thrown in. These are two rivalries and they are fine. So are the longstanding Sydney club rivalries. They are extremely historically and culturally relevant. To suggest they are not is shear folly.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

There are things such as cultural rivalries with locational factors still involved. You will find the 'big brother " rivalry along with an intra Queensland rivalry exists with the Broncos v Cowboys. Melbourne v Warriors is once again based on plenty of Kiwis living in Melbourne and to certain extent an across the Tasmania rivalry with an Anzac day emphasis thrown in. These are two rivalries and they are fine. So are the longstanding Sydney club rivalries. They are extremely historically and culturally relevant. To suggest they are not is shear folly.

You didn't answer the question

 

[Stallion]

You didn't answer the question

Yes I did! You can chase whatever crowd figures you like. Various games can and do engender various rivalries. It's the established local ones that have longevity and more cultural relevance. Don't think anyone advocating the loss of Sydney clubs has factored this in yet! It's diabolical thinking but then again this has been stated before by not just myself but plenty of others. Oh well. We battle on.

 

[Perth Red]

Nrl is going nowhere fast, a bit like this thread!

 

[Stallion]

Nrl is going nowhere fast, a bit like this thread!

I would suggest Rugby league is going nowhere fast! (worlwide). This is the biggest blight on the code. It's very concerning and dissappointing!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yes I did! You can chase whatever crowd figures you like. Various games can and do engender various rivalries. It's the established local ones that have longevity and more cultural relevance. Don't think anyone advocating the loss of Sydney clubs has factored this in yet! It's diabolical thinking but then again this has been stated before by not just myself but plenty of others. Oh well. We battle on.

Avoiding the topic again hey - ok, I'll give you some facts :

Top Drawing Non-Sydney NRL Rivalries:
Broncos v Cowboys 46,080 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Warriors 37,492 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Storm 37,209 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Titans 30,742 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Canberra 30,495 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Titans v Cowboys 26,681 - Robina 2018
Storm v Warriors 25,731 - AAMI 2018

Top Drawing All-Sydney NRL Rivalries:
Roosters v Dragons 41,142 - Allianz 2018
Souths v Dogs 32,471 - ANZ 2018
Tigers v Eels 30,420 - ANZ 2018

Only one of Brisbane top 5 crowds was against a Sydney club. I will go back to previous years if you like but it will paint a very similar story.

But please tell me again who has the biggest, most attractive and most intersting rivalries in the NRL.... Also, please do tell me which clubs have the widespread notoriety and support....

 

[Perth Red]

I would suggest Rugby league is going nowhere fast! (worlwide). This is the biggest blight on the code. It's very concerning and dissappointing!

Actually rl is growing well in some developing countries

 

[Stallion]

Avoiding the topic again hey - ok, I'll give you some facts :

Top Drawing Non-Sydney NRL Rivalries:
Broncos v Cowboys 46,080 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Warriors 37,492 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Storm 37,209 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Titans 30,742 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Broncos v Canberra 30,495 - Suncorp Stadium 2018
Titans v Cowboys 26,681 - Robina 2018
Storm v Warriors 25,731 - AAMI 2018

Top Drawing All-Sydney NRL Rivalries:
Roosters v Dragons 41,142 - Allianz 2018
Souths v Dogs 32,471 - ANZ 2018
Tigers v Eels 30,420 - ANZ 2018

Only one of Brisbane top 5 crowds was against a Sydney club. I will go back to previous years if you like but it will paint a very similar story.

But please tell me again who has the biggest, most attractive and most intersting rivalries in the NRL.... Also, please do tell me which clubs have the widespread notoriety and support....

Any of the Sydney local derbies have great rivalry and spice involved! And there could be more if proactive growth was given a chance ( eg CC BEARS V MANLY & CC BEARS V NEWCASTLE ) Easily done and instant money makers with infrastructure already in place. But this too obvious for some!

 

[Stallion]

Actually rl is growing well in some developing countries

Yes. I've noticed the developments as well. But wait till the code gets too big then something will interrupt it's growth. Recent examples are Russia whereby a rapidly growing league (90s)suddenly got out of favour with the government and another code took its place.

 

[Perth Red]

Any of the Sydney local derbies have great rivalry and spice involved! And there could be more if proactive growth was given a chance ( eg CC BEARS V MANLY & CC BEARS V NEWCASTLE ) Easily done and instant money makers with infrastructure already in place. But this too obvious for some!

Some of them draw very avg attendances though

 

[Stallion]

Some of them draw very avg attendances though

Yes. That occurs especially when things don't allign on game day : weather, team competitiveness, time of play etc. But in the main these rivals are known and their relevance is much more than local. Due to tv exposure it's Australia wide. Fans of these clubs reside all.over Australia. I know it does not mean much on this site but I know people in Melbourne who go for South Sydney just because they bucked the big bosses and kept their identity alive. All these factors count in the support of clubs especially the longstanding clubs which happened to be in Sydney.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Any of the Sydney local derbies have great rivalry and spice involved! And there could be more if proactive growth was given a chance ( eg CC BEARS V MANLY & CC BEARS V NEWCASTLE ) Easily done and instant money makers with infrastructure already in place. But this too obvious for some!

In your opinion, what sort of crowd would CC Bears v Manly pull at North Sydney Oval?
Also, in your opinion, what sort of crowd would CC Bears v Newcastle pull at Gosford?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yes. That occurs especially when things don't allign on game day : weather, team competitiveness, time of play etc. But in the main these rivals are known and their relevance is much more than local. Due to tv exposure it's Australia wide. Fans of these clubs reside all.over Australia. I know it does not mean much on this site but I know people in Melbourne who go for South Sydney just because they bucked the big bosses and kept their identity alive. All these factors count in the support of clubs especially the longstanding clubs which happened to be in Sydney.

The non-Sydney rivalries that I mentioned above get massive crowds and don't need the universe, weather, competitiveness etc to align to do so. Would you like to know why? Because they are the biggest and most well-attended rivalies in the game.