Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[LeagueXIII]

So all we have to do is wait for a bunch of A-list celebrities and their loaded mates to buy all the Sydney clubs...

Not at all, try to dig a little deeper ....be professional, think outside the square to grow revenue and maximise your assets, make your team something people want to be involved in.

 

[LeagueXIII]

No . Just let the fans get their club back!

Exactly, getting a team like Norths back would be a massive feel good for the sport, bringing a huge detached audience back to the sport.

Alas the Roosters won't allow it though.

 

[Stallion]

Exactly, getting a team like Norths back would be a massive feel good for the sport, bringing a huge detached audience back to the sport.

Alas the Roosters won't allow it though.

And it should not be up to the Roosters. The league should be proactively working toward such a win/win outcome!

 

[LeagueXIII]

I see the Roosters SG Ball team is now called the Central Coast Roosters

 

[Stallion]

I see the Roosters SG Ball team is now called the Central Coast Roosters

That's a shame.Not impressed by a club that gives up on it's geographical area. Poor direction and priorities. Perhaps they are doing something in east Sydney? But haven't seen or heard anything development wise!? (except for Minicielo doing some clinics at local schools) Genuinely admire a local junior coming through the ranks in all clubs. It gives the whole local area a shine and buzz!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That's odd logic!? The AFL clubs you have mentioned are in a city with less population and more top flight clubs!"My word the maths just isn't clicking is it! ?

AFL is clearly more popular in Melbourne than RL is in Sydney. We need to clear the smaller clubs that prove in the future that they just can't cut it at NRL level so that the biggers clubs can get closer to the level of their AFL counterparts.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It can be done, look at South Sydney for instance.

The game needs to regain that market I previously mentioned though it will be hard.

The problem is, how much time do you give them? They've had decades and none have grown average attendances greater than 20k consistently.

Brisbane has grown to 30 - 35k with much of the city's fans still untapped and Melbourne has grown to be around 17 - 18k in just two decades. If there were room for Perth they could do something similar to the storm as they wouldn't be starting from such a low RL base as Melbourne were.

The smaller Sydney clubs have very limited reach and low ceilings meaning that even at their peak they are only drawing 15k.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Anytime and all the time. And glad you agree! However there is too much "common sense" and "strategic benefit" involved for this to happen.

Such as?

Let me list the strategic benefits for the expansion options that aren't being added because of overcrowding in Sydney:

Perth:

• An additional timeslot for TV meaning additional revenue
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• Sponsors: A major population centre of just over 2 million and gives the game more of a national footprint
• In the beginning this team would average between 10 - 15k, much like the smaller Sydney clubs, but unlike the smaller clubs, they don't have the same low level ceiling to their growth.

Brisbane

• An additional Brisbane game for TV meaning additional revenue (Brisbane games are high raters on TV)
• A team tapping into the RL fans of the city that don't follow the Broncos (and going by the Broncos underperforming 35k average crowds, there are many of us)
• A second team in this RL stronghold would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of the QLD Reds and Brisbane Lions.
• In the beginning they would average between 20 - 25k and grow from there, instantly becoming the second highest drawing club in the comp.

NZ

• A second NZ team meaning additional TV money from Sky (although to be fair it probably won't double)
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• An increased footprint in NZ which is good for sponsorship and the international game

What strategic benefit do the bears possibly add to compete with this? And don't cop out and give me the 20 team comp answer because as much as you and I would like that, the NRL clearly doesn't agree because they don't seem to think that it is feasable.

 

[Stallion]

AFL is clearly more popular in Melbourne than RL is in Sydney. We need to clear the smaller clubs that prove in the future that they just can't cut it at NRL level so that the biggers clubs can get closer to the level of their AFL counterparts.

Wonder why it's more popular! ? Is it because we have people not thinking rugby league is good enough! ?

 

[Stallion]

Such as?

Let me list the strategic benefits for the expansion options that aren't being added because of overcrowding in Sydney:

Perth:

• An additional timeslot for TV meaning additional revenue
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• Sponsors: A major population centre of just over 2 million and gives the game more of a national footprint
• In the beginning this team would average between 10 - 15k, much like the smaller Sydney clubs, but unlike the smaller clubs, they don't have the same low level ceiling to their growth.

Brisbane

• An additional Brisbane game for TV meaning additional revenue (Brisbane games are high raters on TV)
• A team tapping into the RL fans of the city that don't follow the Broncos (and going by the Broncos underperforming 35k average crowds, there are many of us)
• A second team in this RL stronghold would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of the QLD Reds and Brisbane Lions.
• In the beginning they would average between 20 - 25k and grow from there, instantly becoming the second highest drawing club in the comp.

NZ

• A second NZ team meaning additional TV money from Sky (although to be fair it probably won't double)
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• An increased footprint in NZ which is good for sponsorship and the international game

What strategic benefit do the bears possibly add to compete with this? And don't cop out and give me the 20 team comp answer because as much as you and I would like that, the NRL clearly doesn't agree because they don't seem to think that it is feasable.

Problem is your first sentence is wrong! There is no overcrowding. So get that right before you extol your fantasy like plans for the code. Or just grow up and understand history, relevance and a great code and competition that is being whiteanted by types like yourself!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I'm talking to you then!. In fact 44300 plus at the SFS in 2018 . I happened to be one of those attending. It was a record crowd for any sports event at this stadium .

Is that the crowd consisently for that fixture?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

But there TV audience will be large and that is more important

Large, sure but the Broncos are the most watched sporting club in Australia on TV, Storm rate higher than any AFL club in Melbourne and the Warriors compete well in their market in NZ.

The Roosters TV ratings are about the same as the Swans, which is a credit to the Roosters as they are one of 9 RL options in Sydney compared to 1.5 AFL options in Sydney but it just goes to show how overcrowing puts a ceiling of growth on these clubs.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-trumps-afl-in-tv-ratings-war-20180910-p502u1.html

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Problem is your first sentence is wrong! There is no overcrowding. So get that right before you extol your fantasy like plans for the code. Or just grow up and understand history, relevance and a great code nd competitiob that is being whiteanted by types like yourself!

Ok, so then ignore that word and proceed to answer the question...

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Wonder why it's more popular! ? Is it because we have people not thinking rugby league is good enough! ?

Memberships and attendance culture is much greater in Melbourne than it is in Sydney - that is backed by statistics.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

And it should not be up to the Roosters. The league should be proactively working toward such a win/win outcome!

Win/win? No new market, being tapped, no new TV slots being created, now new sponsorship opportunities, in fact it will rely on a regional centre (Gosford) for corporate support which isn't a good idea, or would add one more mouth for Sydney to feed when clubs are already struggling for quality sponsorship.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

.Not impressed by a club that gives up on it's geographical area. !

Then constantly advocates for the Central Coast Bears ad nausium on these forums.

 

[LeagueXIII]

That's a shame.Not impressed by a club that gives up on it's geographical area. Poor direction and priorities. Perhaps they are doing something in east Sydney? But haven't seen or heard anything development wise!? (except for Minicielo doing some clinics at local schools) Genuinely admire a local junior coming through the ranks in all clubs. It gives the whole local area a shine and buzz!

The problem is, how much time do you give them? They've had decades and none have grown average attendances greater than 20k consistently.

Brisbane has grown to 30 - 35k with much of the city's fans still untapped and Melbourne has grown to be around 17 - 18k in just two decades. If there were room for Perth they could do something similar to the storm as they wouldn't be starting from such a low RL base as Melbourne were.

The smaller Sydney clubs have very limited reach and low ceilings meaning that even at their peak they are only drawing 15k.

As long as it takes. For decades Sydney clubs played in crap stadiums. There is room for Perth they will be in.

Remember we are still gaining ground we had in 1995 due to the war which put us back 20 years. Before the war Auckland averaged 20-25,000 in 2017 they averaged 11,000 and last year 17,000. Clubs like the Cowboys, Parramatta, will see huge increase in crowds once the stadiums are built. Just as Melbourne did.

 

[Stallion]

Win/win? No new market, being tapped, no new TV slots being created, now new sponsorship opportunities, in fact it will rely on a regional centre (Gosford) for corporate support which isn't a good idea, or would add one more mouth for Sydney to feed when clubs are already struggling for quality sponsorship.

You have just ignored the most important/largest CBD in Australia : North Sydney. Wow you are a piece of work aren't you! How dumb! (couldn't help it but you keep on coming up with lunantic comments) I know its a basic human right ? But how can a dude be so ignorant and so wrong at the same time so often!?

 

[Stallion]

Memberships and attendance culture is much greater in Melbourne than it is in Sydney - that is backed by statistics.

Lol. Still no explanation of why? Perhaps you don't think rugby league is good enough! ? BUT YOU WOULDN'T WOULD YOU!? After all you purport to being a rugby league fan!?

 

[Stallion]

Is that the crowd consisently for that fixture?

Not so long ago (2013) a club attendance of near 60000 turned up for a final round club game between East & Souths.