Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[Stallion]

Then constantly advocates for the Central Coast Bears ad nausium on these forums.

Totally different scenario!

 

[Stallion]

AFL is clearly more popular in Melbourne than RL is in Sydney. We need to clear the smaller clubs that prove in the future that they just can't cut it at NRL level so that the biggers clubs can get closer to the level of their AFL counterparts.

Lol. How dumb is that ! You take the cake champ. Lol

 

[Stallion]

Ok, so then ignore that word and proceed to answer the question...

Your whole logic is flawed from your first sentence. So no use ignoring the trash! The whole substance of your argument is based on a false perception! ? So deal with it. Work it out! And get back to a logical and not flawed discussion. In short; Stop wasting our time!

 

[Perth Red]

In short; Stop wasting our time!

The irony!

 

[Stallion]

The irony!

No irony in that PR. Like has been stated before : You have a track record in this regard and others have warned me about your "efforts"!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Your whole logic is flawed from your first sentence. So no use ignoring the trash! The whole substance of your argument is based on a false perception! ? So deal with it. Work it out! And get back to a logical and not flawed discussion. In short; Stop wasting our time!

Such as?

Let me list the strategic benefits for the expansion options that currently aren't included in the NRL:

Perth:

• An additional timeslot for TV meaning additional revenue
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• Sponsors: A major population centre of just over 2 million and gives the game more of a national footprint
• In the beginning this team would average between 10 - 15k, much like the smaller Sydney clubs, but unlike the smaller clubs, they don't have the same low level ceiling to their growth.

Brisbane 2

• An additional Brisbane game for TV meaning additional revenue (Brisbane games are high raters on TV)
• A team tapping into the RL fans of the city that don't follow the Broncos (and going by the Broncos underperforming 35k average crowds, there are many of us)
• A second team in this RL stronghold would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of the QLD Reds and Brisbane Lions.
• In the beginning they would average between 20 - 25k and grow from there, instantly becoming the second highest drawing club in the comp.

NZ 2

• A second NZ team meaning additional TV money from Sky (although to be fair it probably won't double)
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• An increased footprint in NZ which is good for sponsorship and the international game

What strategic benefit do the bears possibly add to compete with this? And don't cop out and give me the 20 team comp answer because as much as you and I would like that, the NRL clearly doesn't agree because they don't seem to think that it is feasable.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. How dumb is that ! You take the cake champ. Lol

Can you explain what is dumb about it? Or are you just hurling insults to avoid the debate?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Totally different scenario!

Go on, please explain... this should be good

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not so long ago (2013) a club attendance of near 60000 turned up for a final round club game between East & Souths.

And what were the crowds for this fixture in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017? In order to get a reliable average we need to have a sample size of more than two matches.

Just FYI, regarding the non-Sydney rivalries that I mentioned earlier:

Broncos v Cowboys at Suncorp averages over 40k
Broncos v Storm at Suncorp averages over 35k
Broncos v Warriors at Suncorp averages over 30k
Storm v Warriors at AAMI averages over 22k
Storm v Broncos at AAMi averages over 20k
Cowboys v Broncos at 1300 smiles averages around 25k

Looking forward to the figures you provide, remember that the above are averages and not one-off games that are cherry-picked.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. Still no explanation of why? Perhaps you don't think rugby league is good enough! ? BUT YOU WOULDN'T WOULD YOU!? After all you purport to being a rugby league fan!?

It is a cultural thing. Melbournites attendance culture is stronger than Sydneysiders. Before you go playing the victim card again, let's consider that it is not just AFL that is well-attended in Melbourne. Their NRL team is the second highest drawing team in the league after only two decades in existence and the Melbourne Victory have traditionally been the best drawing side in the a-league.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You have just ignored the most important/largest CBD in Australia : North Sydney. Wow you are a piece of work aren't you! How dumb! (couldn't help it but you keep on coming up with lunantic comments) I know its a basic human right ? But how can a dude be so ignorant and so wrong at the same time so often!?

Manly is in Northern Sydney

Also, just so you know, the following teams are also based in Sydney:

• Sydney Roosters
• South Sydney Rabbitohs
• St George Illawarra Dragons
• Cronulla Sharks
• Canterbury Bulldogs
• Parramatta Eels
• Penrith Panthers
• Wests Tigers

The good folk of Sydney have an abundance of choice if they wish to follow and NRL team. Almost no-one identifies with a suburb anymore. Kids don't choose a team because they are from a nearby suburb - they may choose a team to follow because they are from the city they live in, sure, but not suburb. The other major factor in kids picking a team to follow is because of a player they love to watch.

 

[Perth Red]

Can you explain what is dumb about it? Or are you just hurling insults to avoid the debate?

haha, is the sky blue, is water wet. is stallion hurling insults to avoid any meaningful evidence based debate

yep to all of them lol

 

[titoelcolombiano]

haha, is the sky blue, is water wet. is stallion hurling insults to avoid any meaningful evidence based debate

yep to all of them lol

lol

 

[LeagueXIII]

I believe for Sydney to grow they need better stadiums which are happening.
In each round Sydney games should be played Sunday afternoon bar one for TV at night on another day.
A blackout of Sydney TV games in Sydney instead taking Sydney teams playing outside the city eg. Newcastle v Parra would be live.

Manly is in Northern Sydney

Also, just so you know, the following teams are also based in Sydney:

• Sydney Roosters
• South Sydney Rabbitohs
• St George Illawarra Dragons
• Cronulla Sharks
• Canterbury Bulldogs
• Parramatta Eels
• Penrith Panthers
• Wests Tigers

The good folk of Sydney have an abundance of choice if they wish to follow and NRL team. Almost no-one identifies with a suburb anymore. Kids don't choose a team because they are from a nearby suburb - they may choose a team to follow because they are from the city they live in, sure, but not suburb. The other major factor in kids picking a team to follow is because of a player they love to watch.

Sydney doesn't work like that. It is very tribal something that should be seen as a strength of the game rather then a negative.
Yes Manly is in northern Sydney yet the people who once followed Norths with passion will not follow Manly, and please no soulless franchise like the Northern Eagles. Today their is no passion for league on the North Shore.

Why can we not have 20 teams, add the Bears, NZ2, Brisbane2 and Perth.

 

[Stallion]

Manly is in Northern Sydney

Also, just so you know, the following teams are also based in Sydney:

• Sydney Roosters
• South Sydney Rabbitohs
• St George Illawarra Dragons
• Cronulla Sharks
• Canterbury Bulldogs
• Parramatta Eels
• Penrith Panthers
• Wests Tigers

The good folk of Sydney have an abundance of choice if they wish to follow and NRL team. Almost no-one identifies with a suburb anymore. Kids don't choose a team because they are from a nearby suburb - they may choose a team to follow because they are from the city they live in, sure, but not suburb. The other major factor in kids picking a team to follow is because of a player they love to watch.

What you have quoted as all solely Sydney teams is not exactly. St George Illawarra represent two distinct areas. Manly Warringah have immense support outside of Sydney due to their success in the tv expansion eras of the 70s, 80s & 90s. Their exists a significant number of supporters for this club due to this notoriety. By adding the Central Coast Bears would be a significant recouping of both Bears fans and the gain of the Central coast along with its great facilities. It's worth the consolidation/expansion with no implosion required.

 

[Stallion]

It is a cultural thing. Melbournites attendance culture is stronger than Sydneysiders. Before you go playing the victim card again, let's consider that it is not just AFL that is well-attended in Melbourne. Their NRL team is the second highest drawing team in the league after only two decades in existence and the Melbourne Victory have traditionally been the best drawing side in the a-league.

It's not victim card at all! It's an apathy card on your part!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What you have quoted as all solely Sydney teams is not exactly. St George Illawarra represent two distinct areas. Manly Warringah have immense support outside of Sydney due to their success in the tv expansion eras of the 70s, 80s & 90s. Their exists a significant number of supporters for this club due to this notoriety. By adding the Central Coast Bears would be a significant recouping of both Bears fans and the gain of the Central coast along with its great facilities. It's worth the consolidation/expansion with no implosion required.

You've gone off topic. You said that North Sydney was being ignored. I pointed out that Manly was in Northern Sydney and that there are eight other teams in Sydney (7.5 if you take out the Illawarra half of the dragons).

Not sure what the rest of your waffle has to do with our discussion, other than saying that North Sydney is being ignored and you will solve that by moving the bears to the Central Coast

 

[Stallion]

Such as?

Let me list the strategic benefits for the expansion options that currently aren't included in the NRL:

Perth:

• An additional timeslot for TV meaning additional revenue
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• Sponsors: A major population centre of just over 2 million and gives the game more of a national footprint
• In the beginning this team would average between 10 - 15k, much like the smaller Sydney clubs, but unlike the smaller clubs, they don't have the same low level ceiling to their growth.

Brisbane 2

• An additional Brisbane game for TV meaning additional revenue (Brisbane games are high raters on TV)
• A team tapping into the RL fans of the city that don't follow the Broncos (and going by the Broncos underperforming 35k average crowds, there are many of us)
• A second team in this RL stronghold would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of the QLD Reds and Brisbane Lions.
• In the beginning they would average between 20 - 25k and grow from there, instantly becoming the second highest drawing club in the comp.

NZ 2

• A second NZ team meaning additional TV money from Sky (although to be fair it probably won't double)
• A new market for the game meaning new members, fans attending, eyeballs on TV sets
• An increased footprint in NZ which is good for sponsorship and the international game

What strategic benefit do the bears possibly add to compete with this? And don't cop out and give me the 20 team comp answer because as much as you and I would like that, the NRL clearly doesn't agree because they don't seem to think that it is feasable.

The NRL are clearly wrong if they don't think that at least twenty teams should participate in it's competition into the future. There is plenty of room for this more deserving code. And the implosion of established clubs isn't necessary. So why implode!?

 

[Stallion]

You've gone off topic. You said that North Sydney was being ignored. I pointed out that Manly was in Northern Sydney and that there are eight other teams in Sydney (7.5 if you take out the Illawarra half of the dragons).

Not sure what the rest of your waffle has to do with our discussion, other than saying that North Sydney is being ignored and you will solve that by moving the bears to the Central Coast

I would suggest that regarding Manly Warringah as insignificant and not worthy of a rightfull place in the NRL would have highly negative consequences for the code. The same with any other esrablished club you choose to dismiss. That's about the bottom line. You are failing to recognise and appreciate the massive notoriety these clubs have Australia wide. It's big ! Bigger than you think!

 

[LeagueXIII]

And what were the crowds for this fixture in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017? In order to get a reliable average we need to have a sample size of more than two matches.

Just FYI, regarding the non-Sydney rivalries that I mentioned earlier:

Broncos v Cowboys at Suncorp averages over 40k
Broncos v Storm at Suncorp averages over 35k
Broncos v Warriors at Suncorp averages over 30k
Storm v Warriors at AAMI averages over 22k
Storm v Broncos at AAMi averages over 20k
Cowboys v Broncos at 1300 smiles averages around 25k

Looking forward to the figures you provide, remember that the above are averages and not one-off games that are cherry-picked.

Souths v Roosters averages 21,241 from 2009-2017

Roosters v St.George at SFS average 38,054 from 2010-2018

Parra v Tigers at ANZ averages around 28,798 since games moved there in 2014

Souths v Canterbury average 29,321 since 2012 at ANZ