Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[siv]

an end of season international series is massive

But it means nothing for the NRL

Revenue goes to IRL but costs go to NRL

 

[siv]

If V'landys goes with the Bears then I'll probably give up on the game for good and make the NBL my main sporting interest. Brisbane Live will be finalised within a few years and provide the Bullets with the best basketball venue in the country. It'll be centrally located on Roma Street and built above a train station. It'll have a capacity of about 17k to 18k, putting it right up there with the Sydney Super Dome. An exciting time for basketball fans in Brisbane and something for the NRL to worry about, as the game is strongest on the southside where there is no NRL team and a growing African community. We now have a rich businessmen investing in the Bullets due to Brisbane being an Olympic city. He's helped the Bullets assemble the best team since it won multiple championships about 15 years ago. We've also got the Lions pulling 40k members. They are also based on the southside. NRL has dropped the ball in southern Brisbane.

Dolphins were the least threatening option to the Broncos, but they're also the richest and most stable BRL club. Of all the BRL clubs still alive, the Redcliffe Dolphins are the most deserving of a spot in the NRL. The only other BRL club worthy of a spot is Easts Tigers, but they're not ready yet. I'd give Easts at least 10 to 15 years to get their development finished before considering them for the NRL. Ipswich Jets will never be fit for the NRL. Tigers has to be the third team to counter the threat posed by other codes.

No one wants to talk about it, but rationalisation of Sydney is a necessity if we want the game to grow. The figures from the annual reports prove there's not enough corpirate investment and RL fans in Sydney to prop up nine clubs. There's not enough talent to expand into Adelaide, New Zealand, Perth and potentially SE Asia with nine Sydney clubs hogging valuable licences. If V'landys continues to increase the annual grant to prop up deadweight clubs from Sydney then the game will eventually become a niche sport like rugby union. No one in Adelaide and Perth is interested in watching a game that only cares about people from Sydney. Eventually that apathy will catch on in Brisbane and Melbourne, as it's embarrassing being the only major sport with no representation in 40% of Australia's metropolitan area.

No

Developing new markets WITHOUT canabilising existing markets is key for sustainable growth

 

[Colk]

No

Developing new markets WITHOUT canabilising existing markets is key for sustainable growth

Yet here you are advocating the Central Coast. That’s 101 in cannabilising existing markets

 

[siv]

Yet here you are advocating the Central Coast. That’s 101 in cannabilising existing markets

CC and North Shore

Remain as a dormant RL market since 1999 when a wrong was actioned

What will be impacted is not RL but RU and AFL and Soccer

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Heaps .
firstly ..sports that have been around in this country for over a century ….AFLOL &RL make little traction in non heartland states .
even with hundreds of millions of dollars spent on them .
& that’s people who know the sports ..or know of them .
so why would Asians be interested in RL
they have had no exposure .
Not grown up with it &have their own popular sports they follow .
Asians are mostly small in stature compared toWesterners so trying to get a team of players big & physical enough to play would be near impossible .
There is zero chance of getting more than a few curious people interested .
your talk of SE Asia is the same as the AFL nut jobs spruiking how big their game is internationally & how popular it will become .

hence why your post is laughed At .

I'm old enough to remember the ridicule hurled at our game for expanding at the professional level into Melbourne. Plenty of people said the club would die within a few years. One commentator said the Storm would relocate to the the Central Coast. The same commentator said rugby union would have a larger following than the Storm when it put a team in Melbourne because ruggers has been played there for decades. Despite all of these predictions of doom and gloom, the Storm are richer and more popular than the Rebels and several Sydney clubs.

If our game can survive and thrive at the professional level in Melbourne, despite the hostility that existed in the 90s, then it can easily carve out a fanbase in south-east Asia. We don't need to convince south-east Asians to play the game. We just need to convince them it is a great product to watch and invest in. Most people who watch the game in Australia have never played it because they're not big enough or interested in playing a dangerous contact sport.

The NFL have created a following in England of all places by taking games there. Not too many Englishmen play the game.

More people in Australia and America play soccer than RL, fumbleball and gridiron, yet the contact sports reign supreme at the spectator level.

The Brisbane Lions generate more money from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than every NRL club bar the Broncos. Swans generate more than the Broncos. It's proof that sports can expand at the professional level, which is what an NRL club in south-east Asia would be doing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But don't you know any population centre = $$$ in the LU world.

Why do you think News Ltd wanted a team in Australia's second largest market?

Why do you think AwFuL chooses metropolitan areas in RL heartland for expansion over regional areas in "rusted on AFL states"?

Are you against the Melbourne Storm playing in the NRL?

 

[Colk]

CC and North Shore

Remain as a dormant RL market since 1999 when a wrong was actioned

What will be impacted is not RL but RU and AFL and Soccer

I have heard this argument but it just doesn’t wash, on a common sense basis more than anything else.

Those areas have access and opportunity to follow any one of nine sides in Sydney. Like the rest of Sydney, league is reported on more than any other sport. So it is not like these areas are somehow their own little country or island and they haven’t heard of RL and it is not like also they are so far away that they can’t just attend a game or become active supporters

Ergo, if they are interested in the sport they would be following another side and if they’re not, it is because they simply don’t like the game. Plonking a side in that area doesn’t change this and as I said it is 100% cannabilising your market. It is really dumb

 

[siv]

Those areas have access and opportunity to follow any one of nine sides in Sydney

Anyone located anywhere in Australia, or across the world

Has the opportunity to follow any existing team

Its been going on for 100 years

TV and streaming now delivers all content direct to your lounge room

NRL knows that brand of the IP is very important

You dont need the high travel costs anymore,so what you might lose on merchandise/gates is easily covered by not spending on travel

 

[Wb1234]

Who’ll get what in rugby league’s divorce court hearings

CBA negotiations between the NRL, clubs and RLPA have hit an impasse, with clubs forced to guess at the size of the salary cap for 2023. How will the pie end up being split?

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

players want a cap of 11.5 mill vs 9.3 million currently

clubs want funding of 5 million over whatever the cap is

arlc is saying it can’t afford all of these demands

loads of other interesting data including players wanting 41 percent of the games distributable revenue of 570 million in 2023 (up 70 million on the previous year)

also nrl expenses at 25 percent vs 40 percent t of revenue as the norm

 

[Colk]

Anyone located anywhere in Australia, or across the world

Has the opportunity to follow any existing team

Its been going on for 100 years

TV and streaming now delivers all content direct to your lounge room

NRL knows that brand of the IP is very important

You dont need the high travel costs anymore,so what you might lose on merchandise/gates is easily covered by not spending on travel

First of all how are you going to attract anyone new to the game, let’s say Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific (let’s ignore the rest of the world because that’s not really a short term goal) by putting in a team from the North Shore/CC? The North Shore and CC means absolutely nothing to anybody outside of NSW.

Also, the logic that you are using that people who grew up watching league now live around Australia and the world (no s***) means absolutely nought to this debate. The game is not making any (or much) money from these people because they are not responsible for a large chunk of the TV deal (because we don’t know numbers and nobody is advertising to them) and if they live outside of say NSW/Qld/Vic they are not going to games and are probably not members. They are simply adding zero to the bottom line (and that’s not their fault, that is the game’s fault)

The only way you attract new supporters and new investors/money is by going to new markets. It’s basic economics. What you are arguing is putting in another side in a market where you have nine sides already. You can argue as much as you want but putting in another side in a fairly saturated marketplace, while ignoring other profitable areas where you have no sides is the definition of stupidity

 

[Perth Red]

Newcastle couldnt survive without a pokie den taking them over despite a massive fanbase. How do you think cc will? Or are we back to the cc bears idea again?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's no way the nine Sydney clubs and Newcastle will allow another team to enter the congested Sydney market.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Who’ll get what in rugby league’s divorce court hearings

CBA negotiations between the NRL, clubs and RLPA have hit an impasse, with clubs forced to guess at the size of the salary cap for 2023. How will the pie end up being split?

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

players want a cap of 11.5 mill vs 9.3 million currently

clubs want funding of 5 million over whatever the cap is

arlc is saying it can’t afford all of these demands

loads of other interesting data including players wanting 41 percent of the games distributable revenue of 570 million in 2023 (up 70 million on the previous year)

also nrl expenses at 25 percent vs 40 percent t of revenue as the norm

Self-interest from the clubs and RLPA will prevent our game from ever reaching its potential.

The players deserve a good wage for jeopardising their health, but if it's all spent on the NRL then why would anyone underneath that level want to play the game when they're putting themselves at risk?

The clubs should not be given $5m on top of the salary cap. If they cannot survive on their own then they're living beyond their means and need to scale down their operations to something manageable.

 

[siv]

The clubs should not be given $5m on top of the salary cap.

This is the current 130% grant idea

The $5 mil is actually the Football department operations cap the NRL has inforced

So as the player salary cap goes cup so will the Football operations cap

 

[siv]

means absolutely nothing to anybody outside of NSW.

You take up to 1 NRL game and a trial on the road

That strategy has worked very well for Easts in Adelaide or Parra to Darwin

Trick is to keep it regular and the fan base grows

 

[Colk]

You take up to 1 NRL game and a trial on the road

That strategy has worked very well for Easts in Adelaide or Parra to Darwin

Trick is to keep it regular and the fan base grows

Or you could actually put a side in some of these areas (you know Adelaide and Perth which have millions of people living there) as opposed to just giving them one game

That’s the way you actually grow the game and get new people watching and attending rather than just adding another side to Sydney.

 

[siv]

Or you could actually put a side in some of these areas (you know Adelaide and Perth which have millions of people living there) as opposed to just giving them one game

That’s the way you actually grow the game and get new people watching and attending rather than just adding another side to Sydney.

High risk, high cost options

We saw how these bids failed before due to cost

We cant afford another Storm situation where $20 mil per year extra needs to be pumped in for 20 years. Each club must stand on its own 2 feet

Dont forget Auckland went bust after only 5 years, not much has changed in NZ to stop this happening again

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

I'm old enough to remember the ridicule hurled at our game for expanding at the professional level into Melbourne. Plenty of people said the club would die within a few years. One commentator said the Storm would relocate to the the Central Coast. The same commentator said rugby union would have a larger following than the Storm when it put a team in Melbourne because ruggers has been played there for decades. Despite all of these predictions of doom and gloom, the Storm are richer and more popular than the Rebels and several Sydney clubs.

If our game can survive and thrive at the professional level in Melbourne, despite the hostility that existed in the 90s, then it can easily carve out a fanbase in south-east Asia. We don't need to convince south-east Asians to play the game. We just need to convince them it is a great product to watch and invest in. Most people who watch the game in Australia have never played it because they're not big enough or interested in playing a dangerous contact sport.

The NFL have created a following in England of all places by taking games there. Not too many Englishmen play the game.

More people in Australia and America play soccer than RL, fumbleball and gridiron, yet the contact sports reign supreme at the spectator level.

The Brisbane Lions generate more money from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than every NRL club bar the Broncos. Swans generate more than the Broncos. It's proof that sports can expand at the professional level, which is what an NRL club in south-east Asia would be doing.

Lol you are using Western games that are played in westernized countries as examples that they will work in SE Asia.
newsflash…western cultures are very similar…yet very very different to Asian .
then you use the Storm as an example…
lol Melb is in Aust…
as much as AFL is a religion ….RL was not something new ..SOO was played there ..a small media coverage …
People who had moved there from NSW or Qld .
there was already a small RL fan base .
I don’t think you can say the same for Asia.
possibly the dumbest idea ever.

 

[Bukowski]

High risk, high cost options

We saw how these bids failed before due to cost

We cant afford another Storm situation where $20 mil per year extra needs to be pumped in for 20 years. Each club must stand on its own 2 feet

Dont forget Auckland went bust after only 5 years, not much has changed in NZ to stop this happening again

Wasnt money a problem for the bears too?

 

[Wb1234]

But it means nothing for the NRL

Revenue goes to IRL but costs go to NRL

Nope

this is something controlled by the arlc from which it derives the revenue and pays the players accordingly and keeps any profits made