Players refusing to sing the National anthem in protest

[SBD82]

I feel same about people who don't like Vegemite.

They are dead to me...

Very few things evoke in me a deep sense of patriotism.

Vegemite is definitely one of them.

 

[AJB1102]

Very few things evoke in me a deep sense of patriotism.

Vegemite is definitely one of them.

New anthem: "I'm A Happy Little Vegimite".

If that offends you, get the f**k out and take your f**ken Marmite with you.

 

[Fangs]

Throw this thread to the Cave or better still, Four Corners.

Let those mental midgets figure it out.

Is there a cave for the cave? Lets place this in the cave cave's basement and dust it off when cleaning each year.

 

[Knuckle-dragger]

Vegemite tastes like shit.

 

[kbw]

Some say our anthem is not inclusive, but I don't think its exclusive either. I really don't care if they want to sing it or not, What about the players that don't sing it out loud because they are too emotional.

As long as they respect the jersey and the state then so what. When it comes to playing for your country, respect our country and that jersey too, or don't play

 

[AJB1102]

Just for the sake of discussion, how would a bloke like Jason Nightingale or SKD (just assuming they've no Maori heritage here, bad examples if they do) declining to take part in the Haka while representing NZ go down?

 

[kbw]

Just for the sake of discussion, how would a bloke like Jason Nightingale or SKD (just assuming they've no Maori heritage here, bad examples if they do) declining to take part in the Haka while representing NZ go down?

SKD definitely has Maori heritage through his father, but in my opinion the whole country embraces the importance of the Maori culture as part of NZ.
I think we should do the same here. As a non indigenous Australian I would love for all Australians to feel the indigenous culture is part of us as Australians.

While that may seem to contradict my earlier post I think that both sides need to look for ways to join to become one country as opposed to separating themselves

 

[Mr Spock!]

Just for the sake of discussion, how would a bloke like Jason Nightingale or SKD (just assuming they've no Maori heritage here, bad examples if they do) declining to take part in the Haka while representing NZ go down?

Who wouldn't want to do the haka?

I want to do the haka and I'm not even a kiwi.

The only reason someone wouldn't do the haka would be for religious reasons.

 

[AJB1102]

SKD definitely has Maori heritage through his father, but in my opinion the whole country embraces the importance of the Maori culture as part of NZ.
I think we should do the same here. As a non indigenous Australian I would love for all Australians to feel the indigenous culture is part of us as Australians.

While that may seem to contradict my earlier post I think that both sides need to look for ways to join to become one country as opposed to separating themselves

Yep I feel you're right on the difference being how the Maori culture is more embraced and respected.

I agree on the rest too.

Who wouldn't want to do the haka?

I want to do the haka and I'm not even a kiwi.

The only reason someone wouldn't do the haka would be for religious reasons.

haha yep fair call. A Haka does look fun. Dunno if I'd be up for footy afterwards but, I'd be doing well not to have my hand up for a sub before kickoff.

 

[Mr Spock!]

SKD definitely has Maori heritage through his father, but in my opinion the whole country embraces the importance of the Maori culture as part of NZ.
I think we should do the same here. As a non indigenous Australian I would love for all Australians to feel the indigenous culture is part of us as Australians.

While that may seem to contradict my earlier post I think that both sides need to look for ways to join to become one country as opposed to separating themselves

I think you''ll find a difference in the history of how the indigenous peoples of both countries were treated says a lot about how those cultures are seen.

Eg the Maori had a treaty with the same rights as British subjects from 1840 and Land Rights.

Compare that with the fact Aborigines were being slaughtered and rounded up well into the 1900s, have no treaty, have only just recently been given land rights (much to the fear of some whites) and aren't even acknowledged in our constitution (unlike the Maori).

Edit:

Wow , the Maori have had 4 places in parliament reserved for them since 1867 so the Maori can have a direct say in government.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Is Advance Australia an early white supremacist meme

hmmmmmmm

 

[AJB1102]

I think you''ll find a difference in the history of how the indigenous peoples of both countries were treated says a lot about how those cultures are seen.

Eg the Maori had a treaty with the same rights as British subjects from 1840 and Land Rights.

Compare that with the fact Aborigines were being slaughtered and rounded up well into the 1900s, have no treaty, have only just recently been given land rights (much to the fear of some whites) and aren't even acknowledged in our constitution (unlike the Maori).

Edit:

Wow , the Maori have had 4 places in parliament reserved for them since 1867 so the Maori can have a direct say in government.

Wow indeed. That's pretty interesting. How did the Maoris get such a good deal compared to the Aboriginals?

 

[Timbo]

Wow indeed. That's pretty interesting. How did the Maoris get such a good deal compared to the Aboriginals?

When the British were colonising the world, they ranked the races they found in each place by how ‘advanced’ they were. Their measure of ‘advanced’ was based upon what they recognised as progress.

So, for example, the indigenous Australians didn’t have written language, didn’t have a hierarchical system of government, didn’t have property ownership, didn’t have agriculture, etc - except that they did have variants of all of these things, just not in any form recognisable to the British. They were also not particularly militaristic, and didn’t have strong armed resistance to British colonialism (this is again not entirely accurate, but according to the British in the 1700s it was true).

The Maori on the other hand had written language, a clear hierarchy of who was in charge, agriculture in a form that the British recognised, clear boundaries of territory and property ownership, and fought back strongly when the British used force.

As such, the Maori were viewed as more advanced and treated as being a ‘more civilised’ people. It’s all complete and utter bullshit, but that’s how the British did things in the colonial era.

 

[Willow]

Is Advance Australia an early white supremacist meme

hmmmmmmm

Yes, and a good reason why it should be in a museum, not adapted into a national anthem.

 

[Willow]

When the British were colonising the world, they ranked the races they found in each place by how ‘advanced’ they were. Their measure of ‘advanced’ was based upon what they recognised as progress.

So, for example, the indigenous Australians didn’t have written language, didn’t have a hierarchical system of government, didn’t have property ownership, didn’t have agriculture, etc - except that they did have variants of all of these things, just not in any form recognisable to the British. They were also not particularly militaristic, and didn’t have strong armed resistance to British colonialism (this is again not entirely accurate, but according to the British in the 1700s it was true).

And some of those things are overrated, while other claims are just pure fantasy.

There are a lot of myths about indigenous Australians, which the British were happy to promote. Most of these have been debunked but people still believe them. Which means this issue is not in the past, as some folks would have us believe.

 

[Danish]

When the British were colonising the world, they ranked the races they found in each place by how ‘advanced’ they were. Their measure of ‘advanced’ was based upon what they recognised as progress.

So, for example, the indigenous Australians didn’t have written language, didn’t have a hierarchical system of government, didn’t have property ownership, didn’t have agriculture, etc - except that they did have variants of all of these things, just not in any form recognisable to the British. They were also not particularly militaristic, and didn’t have strong armed resistance to British colonialism (this is again not entirely accurate, but according to the British in the 1700s it was true).

The Maori on the other hand had written language, a clear hierarchy of who was in charge, agriculture in a form that the British recognised, clear boundaries of territory and property ownership, and fought back strongly when the British used force.

As such, the Maori were viewed as more advanced and treated as being a ‘more civilised’ people. It’s all complete and utter bullshit, but that’s how the British did things in the colonial era.

Please don’t not take this as me defending the British - they were merkins - but I’ve never heard that aboriginal culture had a form of written language?

Once again, not defending the brits and their merkin ways, just interested to learn if there was actually a form of written aboriginal language

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Our anthem is completely f**ked, it’s just shit.

Kiwi anthem is good. French anthem is next level, that at state de France is off the hook.

We sound like a wiggles concert.

 

[big hit!]

Yep I feel you're right on the difference being how the Maori culture is more embraced and respected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi

ups and downs over the course of the last two centuries and there are social issues among the maori population not dissimilar to the issues with the aboriginal population in Australia, but this document and collaboration goes back to at least 1840.

 

[big hit!]

Our anthem is completely f**ked, it’s just shit.

Kiwi anthem is good. French anthem is next level, that at state de France is off the hook.

We sound like a wiggles concert.

imagine the outcry if we had lyrics of the french anthem here in Oz?
Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!

To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.

italian anthem is great too in terms of a rev up.
1. Brothers of Italy,
Italy has awakened;
Scipio's helmet
she has put on her head.
Where is the Victory?
Offer her the hair;
because slave of Rome
God created her.

Chorus:
Let us unite!
We are ready to die;
Italy called.

 

[myrrh ken]

Those must be ironic looking at their military history