Players who are nigh on impossible to hate (you guys always find a a way)

[ANTiLAG]

Pfft, ridiculous call right there. Priddis had one good season and that was 03 and Buderus was still way better than him then, hell even Wing was a better hooker than him that season.

Oh sorry, I was talking about the Luke Priddis that played for NSW in 2001 after being in a grand final winning 2000 Broncos team. I did not realise he only played well in 2003, and not in his other 280+ games.

 

[Cliffhanger]

Ahhh, so Buderus beat out the gun Finch and not Sherwin. If anything, Finch winning bolsters my argument that 2004 was a crap year for talent!

Finch winning was a testament to Fittler, he could make anyone look good, as soon as Finch lost Fittler he was exposed.

Buderus was a great player, the Dally Ms are just a joke. I don't know what you have against Buderus, but he was a great player and had a hell of a lot of ticker, he was way more consistent than Priddis and offered a lot more to his sides.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Buderus was massively overrated, the Newcastle wank fest of the early to mid 2000's was horrible.

Whoever said Cliff Lyons, hell yeah! Absolute champion.

 

[Cliffhanger]

Oh sorry, I was talking about the Luke Priddis that played for NSW in 2001 after being in a grand final winning 2000 Broncos team. I did not realise he only played well in 2003, and not in his other 280+ games.

Under Bennett, Hornby was a premiership winning halfback. Bennett could turn shit into diamonds. Priddis had way too many quite years.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Finch winning was a testament to Fittler, he could make anyone look good, as soon as Finch lost Fittler he was exposed.

Buderus was a great player, the Dally Ms are just a joke. I don't know what you have against Buderus, but he was a great player and had a hell of a lot of ticker, he was way more consistent than Priddis and offered a lot more to his sides.

This the same Danny Bedurus who ran away to ESL when life without Joey meant he lost his Aussie rep jumper and couldn't lead his side to origin victory? Whereas Priddis made valuable contributions to the Dragons when thought by many it was time to be put to pasture.

Priddis ball service was so good he made Gower almost look like a halfback. He made Galavau look like a genuine threat. That was without Bennett. And his creative attack and his desperate defence are famous.

I've always thought Bedsy was overrated and Priddis underrated. Nothing will change that opinion of mine.

 

[jonno_knights]

Oh a 2004 Dally M. Did you not see the 2003 Grand Final

If you want a one game definition of Bedsy, watch the knights game V the Broncos in 2004, GP game where K.Gidley kicks the wonkiest field goal. Once you've finished watching that game, come back.

Priddis was outstanding in the 2003 grandfinal, im not denying that. But Buderus was a better player.

And the fact you say Buderus only made the team due to his combination with Johns is downright false. In the series following the 2003 grand final, as well as the 2004 series Buderus played without Johns in the team. Out of Buderus 24 Test matches, only 9 were with Johns in the side, 4 of which where in the Knights premiership season of 2001, the season where Buderus represented AUS while Priddis played all 3 games for NSW.

 

[Cliffhanger]

This the same Danny Bedurus who ran away to ESL when life without Joey meant he lost his Aussie rep jumper and couldn't lead his side to origin victory? Whereas Priddis made valuable contributions to the Dragons when thought by many it was time to be put to pasture.

Priddis ball service was so good he made Gower almost look like a halfback. He made Galavau look like a genuine threat. That was without Bennett. And his creative attack and his desperate defence are famous.

I've always thought Bedsy was overrated and Priddis underrated. Nothing will change that opinion of mine.

Meh that's like saying the Wing, Mini, Ricko etc were shit because of how they got exposed without Fittler.

Buderus was phenomenal in origin in 2006. He moved to ESL at the age of 30, two years after losing his spot in the Kangaroos, don't think that says anything bad about him. Also he lost his jersey to Cameron Smith, the greatest player in the game at the moment.

 

[ANTiLAG]

If you want a one game definition of Bedsy, watch the knights game V the Broncos in 2004, GP game where K.Gidley kicks the wonkiest field goal. Once you've finished watching that game, come back.

Priddis was outstanding in the 2003 grandfinal, im not denying that. But Buderus was a better player.

And the fact you say Buderus only made the team due to his combination with Johns is downright false. In the series following the 2003 grand final, as well as the 2004 series Buderus played without Johns in the team. Out of Buderus 24 Test matches, only 9 were with Johns in the side, 4 of which where in the Knights premiership season of 2001, the season where Buderus represented AUS while Priddis played all 3 games for NSW.

Have you heard of the word incumbent? Now how did Bedsy displace Priddis in 2002? Newcastle were the 2001 champs. Who single handedly in the first half destroyed the seemingly unbeatable Parra in a display better than Game 2 2005. Yeah Joey. Who was the SOO halfback in 2002? Joey. Oh look, Bedsy is selected on 'club combination'. It was all the talk at the time. Maybe you have forgotten.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Meh that's like saying the Wing, Mini, Ricko etc were shit because of how they got exposed without Fittler.

No, it's not. I never even implied that. Mini had his best ever season without Fittler in 2005 did he not? Wing still managed to shine and be a star. You (or you alleging to be me) may have a point with Ricko, but I am not discussing that now.

And before someone brings up Beduerus 2004, he got points that Joey would have otherwise got and led his team to 10th. Woo f*n hoo.

 

[Cliffhanger]

Lol selectors generally only resort to selecting a player based on his combination with a team mate when there isn't much separating him from his competition for the position.

 

[jonno_knights]

This the same Danny Bedurus who ran away to ESL when life without Joey meant he lost his Aussie rep jumper and couldn't lead his side to origin victory? Whereas Priddis made valuable contributions to the Dragons when thought by many it was time to be put to pasture.

Wrong again on so many counts.

1. Buderus bled B&R. He left because he was pushed by Smith. But was too big a man to come out in public and make a scene, true testament to the man he was.

2.

3. He lost the Aussie jumper because, 1. He was suspended, and 2. He decided to forgo the 2006 tour because he wanted to stay home for the birth of his first child, again a testament to the man he was. It was no guarentee that Smith was going to take the jersey from him that year.

And finally, Ill like to see you eat your words if Bedsy, at a year older then Priddis was last year, comes back and has success next year.

 

[Big Pete]

Say what you want to say about Buderus but I'd still take Buderus circa 2006-08 over Farah or Ennis.

Luke Priddis was more than just a one season wonder and as a Broncos supporter his loss was right up there with Sailor and Tuqiri. It took years to find a suitable replacement and I can't help but feel it cost us a premiership in that time.

 

[Cliffhanger]

No, it's not. I never even implied that. Mini had his best ever season without Fittler in 2005 did he not? Wing still managed to shine and be a star. You (or you alleging to be me) may have a point with Ricko, but I am not discussing that now.

And before someone brings up Beduerus 2004, he got points that Joey would have otherwise got and led his team to 10th. Woo f*n hoo.

My point is that Newcastle were always going to go downhill without Johns, just like the Roosters did without Fittler, it doesn't take anything away from the other stars of their side. Buderus still had good seasons without Johns, Knights just didn't.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Lol selectors generally only resort to selecting a player based on his combination with a team mate when there isn't much separating him from his competition for the position.

Or they just got hammered in the previous origin series. As was the case!

So the the previous team got thrashed, Gould comes in as coach and rebuilds on club combinations. The proof...

Lets see: 2001 NSW origin 3 team has 5 players from Parramatta and Newcastle combined. Those 2 teams goto the grand final, game 1, 2002 team has 11 Parramatta and Newcastle players.

Exacerbated more so because Mark Hughes (NC) plays in 2001 and not in 2002.

 

[jonno_knights]

Have you heard of the word incumbent? Now how did Bedsy displace Priddis in 2002? Newcastle were the 2001 champs. Who single handedly in the first half destroyed the seemingly unbeatable Parra in a display better than Game 2 2005. Yeah Joey. Who was the SOO halfback in 2002? Joey. Oh look, Bedsy is selected on 'club combination'. It was all the talk at the time. Maybe you have forgotten.

LOL, Incumbent? Priddis was the Incumbent hooker in 2002 for NSW. You cant use the incumbent excuse, when your player was the Incumbent...

And mentioning the 2001 GF in ur arguement with a Knights fan is a HUGE mistake. :lol:

I think its time too watch the 2001 NRL grand final. It was not Johns who singlehandedly put the game to bed in the first half. It was a truely team effort. Because the only way to beat a champion team like Parra, was with another champion team. Newcastle went errorless in the first half, Johns cant do that himself.

Many Knights fans, including myself dont agree with Johns being the CC medalist that year. BK, Simmo, Rudder and Peden all had good games. Dont get me wrong, Newcastle probably wouldnt have won without Johns, and his kicking game, but he did not singlehandedly win that game. Rudder threw the final ball for the first two tries, Kennedy the third, Simmo pulled off one of the biggest trysaving tackle in a GF (arguably bigger then Sattlers), Kennedy showed strength to score the 4th from dummy half.

So a guy singlehandedly destroyed the Eels, but didnt have any try assists in the first half? :lol: Nice arguement. BK probably should have been the CC medalist that game.

Johns did kick the crucial goals, and set up the game winning try with a huge bomb, but even that try was more Tahu then Johns.

 

[ANTiLAG]

My point is that Newcastle were always going to go downhill without Johns, just like the Roosters did without Fittler, it doesn't take anything away from the other stars of their side. Buderus still had good seasons without Johns, Knights just didn't.

What has any of this to do with your argument that Bedurus is better than "one season" Priddis?

 

[jonno_knights]

Or they just got hammered in the previous origin series. As was the case!

So the the previous team got thrashed, Gould comes in as coach and rebuilds on club combinations. The proof...

Lets see: 2001 NSW origin 3 team has 5 players from Parramatta and Newcastle combined. Those 2 teams goto the grand final, game 1, 2002 team has 11 Parramatta and Newcastle players.

Exacerbated more so because Mark Hughes (NC) plays in 2001 and not in 2002.

Hughes only played because there were litterally no fit Fullbacks for NSW. Hughes himself wasnt even a FB.

 

[ANTiLAG]

LOL, Incumbent? Priddis was the Incumbent hooker in 2002 for NSW. You cant use the incumbent excuse, when your player was the Incumbent...

You have the reading age of a child. Read my post again. Slowly this time. If you still struggle to see the elucidated point, and you still think I said what you have written here, go ask your parents for help. If they are as dumb as you are then ask your school teacher.

And mentioning the 2001 GF in ur arguement with a Knights fan is a HUGE mistake. :lol:

No arguing with someone who cannot understand that Bedurus got the opportunity to play all those rep games without Joey was due to his 2002 "club combination" selection with Joey, displacing Priddis, and making Bedsy the new incumbent is a bigger mistake on my part.

I think its time too watch the 2001 NRL grand final. It was not Johns who singlehandedly put the game to bed in the first half. It was a truely team effort. Because the only way to beat a champion team like Parra, was with another champion team. Newcastle went errorless in the first half, Johns cant do that himself.

Johns destroyed Parra that day. One of the best displays I HAVE EVER SEEN. And I rate it higher than 2005 game 2.

Many Knights fans, including myself dont agree with Johns being the CC medalist that year. BK, Simmo, Rudder and Peden all had good games. Dont get me wrong, Newcastle probably wouldnt have won without Johns, and his kicking game, but he did not singlehandedly win that game. Rudder threw the final ball for the first two tries, Kennedy the third, Simmo pulled off one of the biggest trysaving tackle in a GF (arguably bigger then Sattlers), Kennedy showed strength to score the 4th from dummy half.

So a guy singlehandedly destroyed the Eels, but didnt have any try assists in the first half? :lol: Nice arguement. BK probably should have been the CC medalist that game.

Johns did kick the crucial goals, and set up the game winning try with a huge bomb, but even that try was more Tahu then Johns.

So Joey was the CC, man of the match for the grand final and then displaces Kimmorley in the Origin team? That is my point kiddo. Everything else you say here is a tangent.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Hughes only played because there were litterally no fit Fullbacks for NSW. Hughes himself wasnt even a FB.

That is nice dear. I am sure all rugby league fans who are grown ups are aware that Hughes was not a fullback. Have you actually calculated the relevance of why I said it? See, it was implicit that people would know Hughes was not a fullback, thus the 5 players from game 3 2001, was only ever likely to be 4 the next year, thus 11 is an even bigger jump, which exacerabtes my point.

How old are you? Seriously? Or I'll ask another way. Did you lack the chops to finish High School? Because your comprehension levels are very low. Do not argue with grown ups if you do not understand them.

 

[Big Pete]

Hughes only played because there were litterally no fit Fullbacks for NSW. Hughes himself wasnt even a FB.

The bolded is about as wrong as you can be about anything.