PNG's back.

[mongoose]

Dolphins in one year added more to the nrl than the storm have in almost 30

yeah but you could argue the Storm are offering more to the NRL than several existing Sydney clubs... juniors isn't the only metric to consider

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't think the game needs to be richer by those metrics, they just need the 1st grade pathways in SEQ open for more of those qcup players, the team could be based in Ipswich, SC or Toowoomba and it would still serve the same outcome, SEQ4 isnt necessarily needed, but it would serve the game better than another NSW team or any of the start ups in WA or SA... personally i think the next 2 should be in Nz2 and Perth or Vic2, but i would just as much enjoy the east tigers get in without the BS rhetoric of fighting AFL in QLD

I wouldn't be upset if the NRL decided to stop expanding after adding PNG. An 18 team competition would serve us well. It can expand in other ways, such as improving the standard of the competitions underneath the NRL. We really need a strong NZ compe build to rival the QLD/NSW Cup.

 

[Wb1234]

Who cares, let them kill themselves

That’s what people on this forum want to copy

yeah but you could argue the Storm are offering more to the NRL than several existing Sydney clubs... juniors isn't the only metric to consider

shifting the goal posts

we are talking about adding clubs from afl states vs clubs from traditional areas

 

[Wb1234]

I wouldn't be upset if the NRL decided to stop expanding after adding PNG. An 18 team competition would serve us well. It can expand in other ways, such as improving the standard of the competitions underneath the NRL. We really need a strong NZ compe build to rival the QLD/NSW Cup.

20 is nailed on

they want conferences

and once they do Perth they will eventually do Adelaide

over a long time frame 24 is the number imo

 

[MugaB]

yeah but you could argue the Storm are offering more to the NRL than several existing Sydney clubs... juniors isn't the only metric to consider

Its certainly is to the clubs who will vote on who the next few licences are, if they aren't producing them themselves, they'll vote for the bidder that is moreso

 

[Perth Red]

Its certainly is to the clubs who will vote on who the next few licences are, if they aren't producing them themselves, they'll vote for the bidder that is moreso

Whose more likely to suck up Qlnd talent that the other clubs are reliant on, perth or Brisbane3?

 

[MugaB]

Whose more likely to suck up Qlnd talent that the other clubs are reliant on, perth or Brisbane3?

What your are arguing for is for WA kids to stay on the west coast in their homes playing for the pathways that get invented yes?
Same applies to the Brisbane3, that same talent will get sucked up by the storm for example, it really doesn't matter, what does matter is another 30 open spots in a competitive team getting filled with another 30 behind them ready to take their place asap

 

[Perth Red]

What your are arguing for is for WA kids to stay on the west coast in their homes playing for the pathways that get invented yes?
Same applies to the Brisbane3, that same talent will get sucked up by the storm for example, it really doesn't matter, what does matter is another 30 open spots in a competitive team getting filled with another 30 behind them ready to take their place asap

Difference is there are already 3 clubs a Brisbane kid can stay home and play for. None for a WA kid.

 

[MugaB]

Difference is there are already 3 clubs a Brisbane kid can stay home and play for. None for a WA kid.

This isnt about your kids... its about the clubs who want those elite kids..it always has been, its not money these clubs want, money they already get, funded up the wazoo for travel, all expenses, gyms, food, everything is allocated,
development is in the way too hard basket, the teams that are bad at it, are not coping, and they aren't going to start wanting more freeloading clubs stealing theirs, without a return

 

[Wb1234]

Difference is there are already 3 clubs a Brisbane kid can stay home and play for. None for a WA kid.

You’re comparing the elite of Brisbane schoolboys who get chosen out of a pool of hundreds vs the dregs afl doesn’t want ?

lmao

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

My reasons are clear. I believe there is more value to the NRL long term to build new markets than to keep adding clubs to a market that is already watching and playing the game.

There's no evidence to support your view.

Fumbleball tried it with the Suns and Giants. It has failed miserably and is costing them an extra $25m per annum.

Brisbane and Sydney had established local fumbleball competitions long before the Bears and Swans were around.

Wallabies were world champions with teams in Brisbane, Canberra and Sydney. Then they added teams to Melbourne and Perth. They're now a tier two team.

I have no doubt the Tigers could be a successful NRl club, they should have been club 17 for me. But now we have two Brisbane clubs, and 3 in SEQ, there really isnt NEED for another one when we have empty markets to build new customer bases in.

How has that strategy worked out for the ARU?

They arrogantly placed empty markets ahead of their heartland. It diluted the quality of its heartlands. Now the overall quality of the game is much poorer.

I have doubts over the location viability of NZ2, but I still think if a strong business case stacks up it would be more beneficial to the NRL long term than a third Brisbane club.

That's a hypothetical. The ARLC doesn't operate on hypotheticals when it comes to expansion.

Since expansion with new market teams the AFL have achieved record sponsorship deals, record media deal and record revenue. It would seem their 'dots on a map' strategy is paying dividends.

AwFuL has four times as many members and twice as many spectators attending their matches. It's the heartland clubs leading the way. Sponsors see how many active fans there are watching the game and decide it's a great way to promote their product. It's the reason the Broncos generate more revenue from sponsorship than every other NRL club.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The problem with Storm has been their reluctance to engage with NRLVic and invest locally. Its no surprise that since they have started to do this over the last couple of years Vic has recorded record participation rates, Storm are running local pathways teams and we are already seeing some young Victorian talent emerge. lessons to be learnt for Perth, dont wait 25 years to set up local pathways!

Victoria has been fielding teams in the QRL and NSWRL competitions for years.

Yeh because your traditional build PI RL player is going to be so effective at AFL lol

Then there's no reason to add NRL teams into Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth if the only people playing the game in these places are of Polynesian and Melanesian descent.

 

[Wb1234]

There's no evidence to support your view.

Fumbleball tried it with the Suns and Giants. It has failed miserably and is costing them an extra $25m per annum.

Brisbane and Sydney had established local fumbleball competitions long before the Bears and Swans were around.

Wallabies were world champions with teams in Brisbane, Canberra and Sydney. Then they added teams to Melbourne and Perth. They're now a tier two team.



How has that strategy worked out for the ARU?

They arrogantly placed empty markets ahead of their heartland. It diluted the quality of its heartlands. Now the overall quality of the game is much poorer.



That's a hypothetical. The ARLC doesn't operate on hypotheticals when it comes to expansion.



AwFuL has four times as many members and twice as many spectators attending their matches. It's the heartland clubs leading the way. Sponsors see how many active fans there are watching the game and decide it's a great way to promote their product. It's the reason the Broncos generate more revenue from sponsorship than every other NRL club.

That’s such a good point about the aru and expanding into afl states killing them

 

[Perth Red]

There's no evidence to support your view.

Fumbleball tried it with the Suns and Giants. It has failed miserably and is costing them an extra $25m per annum.

Brisbane and Sydney had established local fumbleball competitions long before the Bears and Swans were around.

Wallabies were world champions with teams in Brisbane, Canberra and Sydney. Then they added teams to Melbourne and Perth. They're now a tier two team.



How has that strategy worked out for the ARU?

They arrogantly placed empty markets ahead of their heartland. It diluted the quality of its heartlands. Now the overall quality of the game is much poorer.



That's a hypothetical. The ARLC doesn't operate on hypotheticals when it comes to expansion.



AwFuL has four times as many members and twice as many spectators attending their matches. It's the heartland clubs leading the way. Sponsors see how many active fans there are watching the game and decide it's a great way to promote their product. It's the reason the Broncos generate more revenue from sponsorship than every other NRL club.

NRl isnt Rugby union, their problems wont be our problems. Their problems were due to the Super rugby comp losing SA and NZ dominance, coupled with rise of NRL. little to do with adding Perth or Melbourne to Super rugby. In fact turning down a $60mil gift from twiggy to keep Perth in the comp was just one example of totally stupid management they have been blighted with. Long may it continue!

Well its worked out very nicely for AFL. their first two expansion clubs are now two of the biggest clubs in those markets and with adding two more they have now hit record levels of revenue.

And Perth has had a RL competion for 75 years. Your point being?

Quite literally everything is a hypothetical until its been proven or disproven lol

Swans and Lions have bigger crowds and memberships than nearly every heartland NRl club. Our only new amrlet club ahs bigger crowds and membership than most NRL heatrland clubs.
You dont think sponsors and media are attracted to a code with a 5 metro city reach? Clearly their revenue suggests differently

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

record media deal, record sponsorship, record revenue. Seems to be working just fine for them, and like you said with a product that quite frankly is shthouse.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Fumbleball has marketed itself to children and mothers via its Auskick program. Companies like Coles, Toyota and NAB are quick to attach their brand to the Auskick program. Just watch the ads for an AwFuL game on Ch7 to see it. Go to Coles and you'll see all sorts of promotions for Auskick. We need something similar.

 

[Wb1234]

NRl isnt Rugby union, their problems wont be our problems. Their problems were due to the Super rugby comp losing SA and NZ dominance, coupled with rise of NRL. little to do with adding Perth or Melbourne to Super rugby. In fact turning down a $60mil gift from twiggy to keep Perth in the comp was just one example of totally stupid management they have been blighted with. Long may it continue!

Well its worked out very nicely for AFL. their first two expansion clubs are now two of the biggest clubs in those markets and with adding two more they have now hit record levels of revenue.

And Perth has had a RL competion for 75 years. Your point being?

Quite literally everything is a hypothetical until its been proven or disproven lol

Swans and Lions have bigger crowds and memberships than nearly every heartland NRl club. Our only new amrlet club ahs bigger crowds and membership than most NRL heatrland clubs.
You dont think sponsors and media are attracted to a code with a 5 metro city reach? Clearly their revenue suggests differently

So turning down a 60 million gift from twiggy for a ru team that failed is a bad thing

but turning down 600 milion from albo is a good thing

Hahahhaa

never change pr

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh eagles are really doing it tough financially, how will they ever survive lol
I mean last year they 'only' brought in $83mill, gave WAFC $3.7mill for grassroots funding and made a $3.5mil profit. Tough times lol

Broncos make that in half a year

if they got equal funding like nrl clubs do their profit would be 15 million

imagine the broncos get ten million less so duds like the storm or Perth can get ten million more

 

[mongoose]

Its certainly is to the clubs who will vote on who the next few licences are, if they aren't producing them themselves, they'll vote for the bidder that is moreso

I'll honestly be shocked if many of the existing clubs want PNG... unless V'landys has promised them a cut of government money.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yeah but you could argue the Storm are offering more to the NRL than several existing Sydney clubs... juniors isn't the only metric to consider

You're only seeing what you want to see.

Melbourne have a stronger following outside of Victoria than inside it because News Ltd created a vacuum in SEQ when they killed the Chargers and Crushers. The Broncos were on the nose at the time because of their role in Super League. The Storm grew their supporter base in SEQ by recruiting heavily from the region. There's also a large Victorian expatriate community in SEQ. It was the perfect recipe for disenchanted fans in SEQ to adopt the Storm as their team.

A Perth-based team isn't going to have this sort of support in SEQ. You've deluded yourself into thinking they will. Take away Melbourne's support in SEQ and they wouldn't offer much.

 

[Perth Red]

Then there's no reason to add NRL teams into Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth if the only people playing the game in these places are of Polynesian and Melanesian descent.

Thats very racist of you!