Poll: When will the NRL make a definite announcement on team 18?

[Perth Red]

Pokie den? Burswood casino don't make no mula?

Why would crown want to own a second grade rugby league club?

 

[Canard]

Knight went broke you know

arl put ten million into them which they never got back

then they ended up selling them to wests after all

And that had Zero to do with having been created from an. "established" club.

And besides that cherry picked example, what about the others?

 

[Wb1234]

And that had Zero to do with having been created from an. "established" club.

And besides that cherry picked example, what about the others?

You’re not great with facts huh lol

they just admitted a qrl side to the nrl

 

[flippikat]

The ARLC aren't looking to build a team from scratch, all they want is for perth to run its own ship, and hand out the licence

Right, so a Perth club needs to be playing in some competition for a while before getting promoted?

What competition, how long, and who covers the costs (which will need some degree of subsidizing, given they'd be in a lower-profile 2nd tier comp under your scenario)?

It seems typical of a NSW-centric worldview to put all manner of unreasonable requirements on an expansion market outside NRL heartland.

 

[flippikat]

Team 17 is the hard one to get approved by the clubs

then bc they hate the bye it’s inevitable to get the extra team

Exactly. The step to 18 is a relatively easy "sell" to clubs - give them a year or two of the 2023 competition structure & they'll just about be asking for it.

 

[MugaB]

Right, so a Perth club needs to be playing in some competition for a while before getting promoted?

What competition, how long, and who covers the costs (which will need some degree of subsidizing, given they'd be in a lower-profile 2nd tier comp under your scenario)?

It seems typical of a NSW-centric worldview to put all manner of unreasonable requirements on an expansion market outside NRL heartland.

So your saying theyll (perth) need to have some sort of preferential treatment over a club like easts tigers, who have done all the right things, exceeded as a club, are competitive and are just in the unlucky postion of being in brisbane, not in a untapped market..

Im not nsw-centric... the game is built off that comp yes, but the history of expansions are to do with increasing junior participation and their catchments, i want perth to succeed, but we aren't able to just plonk teams willy nilly and fund them for 2 decades till they become a niche market in AFL dominated territory, like what was done with the storm, just lucky their was 3-4 clubs culled in that time to boost thier start, and great management, probably not going to get that with perth, without some sort of help from the bears or easts etc

 

[flippikat]

So your saying theyll (perth) need to have some sort of preferential treatment over a club like easts tigers, who have done all the right things, exceeded as a club, are competitive and are just in the unlucky postion of being in brisbane, not in a untapped market..

Not at all.

Ever since the NSWRL looked beyond Sydney for the first time back in the early 1980s, expansion teams have typically been new constructs that overlay the existing (local) club competition - both in NRL heartland cities and AFL-land... and a Perth expansion team would be just like most modern-era expansion teams - a new entity, not a promotion.

The promotion of the Dolphins from a state league is actually an exception to the recent trend, as would promoting any other Qld Cup club.

 

[Wb1234]

Not at all.

Ever since the NSWRL looked beyond Sydney for the first time back in the early 1980s, expansion teams have typically been new constructs that overlay the existing (local) club competition - both in NRL heartland cities and AFL-land... and a Perth expansion team would be just like most modern-era expansion teams - a new entity, not a promotion.

The promotion of the Dolphins from a state league is actually an exception to the recent trend, as would promoting any other Qld Cup club.

South Queensland jets will be team 19

 

[mongoose]

So your saying theyll (perth) need to have some sort of preferential treatment over a club like easts tigers, who have done all the right things, exceeded as a club, are competitive and are just in the unlucky postion of being in brisbane, not in a untapped market..

Im not nsw-centric... the game is built off that comp yes, but the history of expansions are to do with increasing junior participation and their catchments, i want perth to succeed, but we aren't able to just plonk teams willy nilly and fund them for 2 decades till they become a niche market in AFL dominated territory, like what was done with the storm, just lucky their was 3-4 clubs culled in that time to boost thier start, and great management, probably not going to get that with perth, without some sort of help from the bears or easts etc

It's not 1967 anymore, there are things like TV rights, corporate sponsors, national media in play. It's not just about expanding to villages that play the sport already to give them a team to cheer for.

 

[Wb1234]

It's not 1967 anymore, there are things like TV rights, corporate sponsors, national media in play. It's not just about expanding to villages that play the sport already to give them a team to cheer for.

That village known as Brisbane

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Based on what we know so far...

Abdo said that we'll have 18 men's and women's teams by 2028 and they know they didn't give the Dolphins enough lead in time so they'll learn from that mistake.

I'd say call for bids 2025, announce 2026, start 2028.

 

[Canard]

You’re not great with facts huh lol

they just admitted a qrl side to the nrl

Read my original post.

This is the only expansion in 5 decades that's done it this way, why do future ones need to follow that model when there is numerous highly successful examples of them not needing to?

 

[Wb1234]

Read my original post.

This is the only expansion in 5 decades that's done it this way, why do future ones need to follow that model when there is numerous highly successful examples of them not needing to?

I said it’s what they should’ve done from the start

then you asked for examples of where’s it’s been done

starting new clubs when there already were strong established clubs, some with leagues clubs, now looks like the stupid thing to do

I dunno why your arguing either

 

[Wb1234]

Seeing how small nz gdp really is taking over in nz shouldn’t even be that hard with the money we have behind us

with the collapse of super rugby union has never been this vulnerable before

I’m starting to think we should go with 3 sides to really take over there

 

[flippikat]

Seeing how small nz gdp really is taking over in nz shouldn’t even be that hard with the money we have behind us

with the collapse of super rugby union has never been this vulnerable before

I’m starting to think we should go with 3 sides to really take over there

Yeah, NZ Rugby Union still has some major issues to sort out.. particularly around Super Rugby & the weakness of non-NZ teams in that competition (off the field & on the field). An NZ expansion plan from the NRL would stun them.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah, NZ Rugby Union still has some major issues to sort out.. particularly around Super Rugby & the weakness of non-NZ teams in that competition (off the field & on the field). An NZ expansion plan from the NRL would stun them.

This is why I favour nz2 over Perth

Perth won’t harm afl at all but nz2 will take a lot of market share away from union

I would add Perth later so I think they are making a mistake choosing Perth now

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

South Queensland jets will be team 19

They won't have the corporate support to compete with Easts Tigers for the licence.

 

[Bukowski]

This is why I favour nz2 over Perth

Perth won’t harm afl at all but nz2 will take a lot of market share away from union

I would add Perth later so I think they are making a mistake choosing Perth now

Perth will never harm AFL, but harming other sports shouldn't be a focus on expansion. Focus should be on what your doing.

 

[Wb1234]

Perth will never harm AFL, but harming other sports shouldn't be a focus on expansion. Focus should be on what your doing.

Yeh sure

and in the real world ….

 

[MugaB]

Yeh sure

and in the real world ….

Thats pretty disingenuous, he was completely right, if the NRL wanted to stick it into RU, they would've given a license to perth 5 years ago, when the force was on its knees, its obvious the league wasn't financially ready to do anything.. and are slowly building assets and streamlining processes to keep cost down, where they were an absolte shambles way back when..
Now as a league are probably ready to expand and grow... going after rival codes isn't smart, not when they share the same type of game like ru/stadia, yes we want a dent, or make inroads, but to cut out a rival like RU, will just leave a whole that might get filled by AFL, we would need to get a team in perth, then hopefully keep it stable and successful, cant do that whilst having one armed tied behind your back, its a smart play to sort out all the financial issues with the league and streamline the business costs, before jumping into foreign territory