Question on Peter V'landys

[hineyrulz]

given the way he's making rule changes on a whim, he always had designs on making significant changes.

It's not surprising he had a falling out with Greenburg. He came in, and basically began doing Todd's job - even punting him from meetings - instead of providing guidance, oversight and working with the board and executive to set strategy and objectives for the game.

Todd had been at the NRL for 6 years and did zero to stop the wrestle. Being in Love with Smith and Bellamy might of had something to do with it. The wrestle has been a blight on the game for almost 15 years at least we finally have someone involved trying to do something about it.

 

[Canard]

Haha what is ur incessant compulsion to compare or demean rival codes.

It’s true some Afl players haven’t covered themselves in glory In the past few months. Lachie Hunter and Stevens included plus the Crows not adhering to social distancing requirements when training.

Player behaviour in any code is pretty much up to the Individual as Cleary and others have demonstrated.

As for the administrative arms of each Code. Well I give NRL points for getting the game re-started to avoid bankruptcy but I also take points away for the unnecessary drama along the way.

Less than two weeks away from kick off and the dispute with the refs is ridiculous. The finger pointing at the Refs Union by the NRL is even more ridiculous and unnecessary. They will most likely resolve their problems at the fair work commission - but it’s just another unnecessary drama. So to the rule changes mid season.

In comparing the two approaches, I much prefer the more professional consultative approach (AFL) to the unconsultative drama riddled approach (NRL). And I’d be just as critical of the AFL administration if they started to mimic the NRL approach.

The AFL approach was a disorganised shambles, that has ridden on the coat-tails of the NRL.

It's only the compliant and sycophantic media coverage that has kept them out of the headlines, and as soon as any player gets into trouble just say "mental health".

 

[big hit!]

Todd had been at the NRL for 6 years and did zero to stop the wrestle. Being in Love with Smith and Bellamy might of had something to do with it. The wrestle has been a blight on the game for almost 15 years at least we finally have someone involved trying to do something about it.

do you know how the 6-again is going to play out? Which specific infringements will occur a 6-again. When does the ruck begin and end? First contact? Play-the-ball?

No trialling has been done, or an analysis on how it will possibly play out

 

[big hit!]

The AFL approach was a disorganised shambles, that has ridden on the coat-tails of the NRL.

It's only the compliant and sycophantic media coverage that has kept them out of the headlines, and as soon as any player gets into trouble just say "mental health".

A disorganised shambles? As far as I'm aware, everyone knows how their game is going to play out, and their umps officiate once it restarts. They were also able to secure $500m at lower interest rates from Australian sources, unlike the NRL who had to go OS to get $200m at a greater cost. The NRL have no choice. They have to get the ball rolling ASAP and make some coin before it runs out.

and granted, the AFL have had to deal with all 6 states (if games are still played in Tasmania). And before you say the Warriors, that's one club to deal with as opposed to the number the AFL have got in different states with different rules.

 

[Perth Red]

Haha what is ur incessant compulsion to compare or demean rival codes.

It’s true some Afl players haven’t covered themselves in glory In the past few months. Lachie Hunter and Stevens included plus the Crows not adhering to social distancing requirements when training.

Player behaviour in any code is pretty much up to the Individual as Cleary and others have demonstrated.

As for the administrative arms of each Code. Well I give NRL points for getting the game re-started to avoid bankruptcy but I also take points away for the unnecessary drama along the way.

Less than two weeks away from kick off and the dispute with the refs is ridiculous. The finger pointing at the Refs Union by the NRL is even more ridiculous and unnecessary. They will most likely resolve their problems at the fair work commission - but it’s just another unnecessary drama. So to the rule changes mid season.

In comparing the two approaches, I much prefer the more professional consultative approach (AFL) to the unconsultative drama riddled approach (NRL). And I’d be just as critical of the AFL administration if they started to mimic the NRL approach.

Hes a little bit obsessed by AFL, best to ignore him tbh.

 

[Perth Red]

Openly booed Todd for years and now he wishes he had his babies. His anti league agenda is obvious.

I have no problem with him being gone, but have the balls to sack him for what he wasnt good at, not what he was. He did a great job lifting the NRLs non media revenue and delivered two years of very good financial performance despite large investments in NRL clubs and grassroots.
The fact he was sacked as Ch9 didnt like him anymore is pss weak but indicative of our game and its leaders.

 

[Canard]

A disorganised shambles? As far as I'm aware, everyone knows how their game is going to play out, and their umps officiate once it restarts. They were also able to secure $500m at lower interest rates from Australian sources, unlike the NRL who had to go OS to get $200m at a greater cost. The NRL have no choice. They have to get the ball rolling ASAP and make some coin before it runs out.

and granted, the AFL have had to deal with all 6 states (if games are still played in Tasmania). And before you say the Warriors, that's one club to deal with as opposed to the number the AFL have got in different states with different rules.

Care to take a stab at where the credit comes from is important?

It's not like the NRL is consorting with bikie gangs.......

 

[big hit!]

Care to take a stab at where the credit comes from is important?

It's not like the NRL is consorting with bikie gangs.......

Australian lenders found the NRL too risky. Probably playing out every single issue in the media doesn't help / confirms it

 

[Canard]

Australian lenders found the NRL too risky. Probably playing out every single issue in the media doesn't help / confirms it

It's always good to have media that report incidents as:

"He is a good bloke with mental health issues, lets get around him" than ,

"Scandal! NRL star stabbed by bikie in drug deal gone wrong!"

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

A disorganised shambles? As far as I'm aware, everyone knows how their game is going to play out, and their umps officiate once it restarts. They were also able to secure $500m at lower interest rates from Australian sources, unlike the NRL who had to go OS to get $200m at a greater cost. The NRL have no choice. They have to get the ball rolling ASAP and make some coin before it runs out.

and granted, the AFL have had to deal with all 6 states (if games are still played in Tasmania). And before you say the Warriors, that's one club to deal with as opposed to the number the AFL have got in different states with different rules.

Ths fumblefan has outed himself .
The afl has 5 states
Nrl has 3 states
1 territory
1 overseas team .
So not much difference

 

[Storm80]

The AFL approach was a disorganised shambles, that has ridden on the coat-tails of the NRL.

It's only the compliant and sycophantic media coverage that has kept them out of the headlines, and as soon as any player gets into trouble just say "mental health".

Disorganised?? Haha I don’t know what world you live in but it sure ain’t reality.

 

[Storm80]

Ths fumblefan has outed himself .
The afl has 5 states
Nrl has 3 states
1 territory
1 overseas team .
So not much difference

16 teams
3 x QLD
10 x NSW
1 x ACT, VIC & NZ

18 teams
10 x Vic
2 x Qld, NSW, SA, WA

Games are also regularly played in Tasmania, NT and ACT.

The SA and WA also refused to lift restrictions in a political move to force the AFL to base clubs there in a hub for economic benefit of having 4 to 6 teams based in both states.

The bottom line remains - they AFL could afford to wait because they weren’t gonna go bankrupt. 10 of their clubs are also based in Victoria whose govt doesn’t have as a relaxed attitude to COVID19 as NSW gov.

There is no impetus for AFL to get back quickly at the expense of the integrity of the game or undermining public health and safety.

This isn’t USSR and USA space race to the moon ffs. Both codes have extremely different motives and needs.

Ones administrators love beating their chest, telling the world how awesome they are, changing rules on the fly, creating drama wherever they go and needed to get the game going to avoid bankruptcy.

The other code called it off till 31 May, announced a 17 game season, secured a loan and went about its business behind closed doors. No media drama and no negative fallout with channel 7 or Foxtel or players unions or umpires.

There is no way you can defend the unnecessary public drama the NRL has caused along the way. It didn’t have to be that way and I think that leadership style tarnishes the sport rather than benefits it when you consider the AFL will restart 2 weeks later with little fuss or drama along the way.

 

[lockyno1]

Meanwhile the NRL have 2 weeks of nothing else on TV which is huge for the game. It will rate its chops off.

 

[unforgiven]

16 teams
3 x QLD
10 x NSW
1 x ACT, VIC & NZ

18 teams
10 x Vic
2 x Qld, NSW, SA, WA

Games are also regularly played in Tasmania, NT and ACT.

The SA and WA also refused to lift restrictions in a political move to force the AFL to base clubs there in a hub for economic benefit of having 4 to 6 teams based in both states.

The bottom line remains - they AFL could afford to wait because they weren’t gonna go bankrupt. 10 of their clubs are also based in Victoria whose govt doesn’t have as a relaxed attitude to COVID19 as NSW gov.

There is no impetus for AFL to get back quickly at the expense of the integrity of the game or undermining public health and safety.

This isn’t USSR and USA space race to the moon ffs. Both codes have extremely different motives and needs.

Ones administrators love beating their chest, telling the world how awesome they are, changing rules on the fly, creating drama wherever they go and needed to get the game going to avoid bankruptcy.

The other code called it off till 31 May, announced a 17 game season, secured a loan and went about its business behind closed doors. No media drama and no negative fallout with channel 7 or Foxtel or players unions or umpires.

There is no way you can defend the unnecessary public drama the NRL has caused along the way. It didn’t have to be that way and I think that leadership style tarnishes the sport rather than benefits it when you consider the AFL will restart 2 weeks later with little fuss or drama along the way.

You do realise where you are don't you?

 

[MugaB]

16 teams
3 x QLD
10 x NSW
1 x ACT, VIC & NZ

18 teams
10 x Vic
2 x Qld, NSW, SA, WA

Games are also regularly played in Tasmania, NT and ACT.

The SA and WA also refused to lift restrictions in a political move to force the AFL to base clubs there in a hub for economic benefit of having 4 to 6 teams based in both states.

The bottom line remains - they AFL could afford to wait because they weren’t gonna go bankrupt. 10 of their clubs are also based in Victoria whose govt doesn’t have as a relaxed attitude to COVID19 as NSW gov.

There is no impetus for AFL to get back quickly at the expense of the integrity of the game or undermining public health and safety.

This isn’t USSR and USA space race to the moon ffs. Both codes have extremely different motives and needs.

Ones administrators love beating their chest, telling the world how awesome they are, changing rules on the fly, creating drama wherever they go and needed to get the game going to avoid bankruptcy.

The other code called it off till 31 May, announced a 17 game season, secured a loan and went about its business behind closed doors. No media drama and no negative fallout with channel 7 or Foxtel or players unions or umpires.

There is no way you can defend the unnecessary public drama the NRL has caused along the way. It didn’t have to be that way and I think that leadership style tarnishes the sport rather than benefits it when you consider the AFL will restart 2 weeks later with little fuss or drama along the way.

There's always drama in rugby league, it sells papers and keeps people interested, AFL has the same dramas, just are better at hiding it, i applaud V'landy's on not just creating the drama but outlining our faults within the game by doing it, the wrestling in rucks, and two refs are both issues that leagues has had this past decade, and now reduction of the interchange is next step to providing a better game, AFL is a different sport, no point in comparison, plus you can be fans of both, or one or none, if anything brisbane should have 3 teams and Victoria another, aswell as Adelaide and Perth, in regards to population vs clubs needed or expansion, but if junior participation isn't there then there's no point, not yet, so Victoria dominants AFL and NSW and QLD dominate RL.
Its just how it is right now, maybe 20 years down the track AFL will expand moreso in NSW and RL in other states and junior participation will increase in all regions in Australia, but really right now, its all about continuing on with what we got

 

[big hit!]

Ths fumblefan has outed himself .
The afl has 5 states
Nrl has 3 states
1 territory
1 overseas team .
So not much difference

There it is. Can’t form a constructive argument so resort to Name-calling propaganda.

I’ve always been logical in argument, rather than emotional.

AFL got $500m at lower cost. This isn’t opinion, or fantalk, this is fact. The NRL needs to play ASAP.

 

[Quicksilver]

"The fans" and "the clubs".

Two groupings containing differing interests.

Many fans and many clubs would agree on a lot of things.

 

[no name]

16 teams
3 x QLD
10 x NSW
1 x ACT, VIC & NZ

18 teams
10 x Vic
2 x Qld, NSW, SA, WA

Games are also regularly played in Tasmania, NT and ACT.

The SA and WA also refused to lift restrictions in a political move to force the AFL to base clubs there in a hub for economic benefit of having 4 to 6 teams based in both states.

The bottom line remains - they AFL could afford to wait because they weren’t gonna go bankrupt. 10 of their clubs are also based in Victoria whose govt doesn’t have as a relaxed attitude to COVID19 as NSW gov.

There is no impetus for AFL to get back quickly at the expense of the integrity of the game or undermining public health and safety.

This isn’t USSR and USA space race to the moon ffs. Both codes have extremely different motives and needs.

Ones administrators love beating their chest, telling the world how awesome they are, changing rules on the fly, creating drama wherever they go and needed to get the game going to avoid bankruptcy.

The other code called it off till 31 May, announced a 17 game season, secured a loan and went about its business behind closed doors. No media drama and no negative fallout with channel 7 or Foxtel or players unions or umpires.

There is no way you can defend the unnecessary public drama the NRL has caused along the way. It didn’t have to be that way and I think that leadership style tarnishes the sport rather than benefits it when you consider the AFL will restart 2 weeks later with little fuss or drama along the way.

Both codes have to deal with 6 different governments.
One has dealt with them quicker and more efficiently than the other which has seen an earlier return.
The ‘drama’ has been manufactured.

 

[Canard]

Disorganised?? Haha I don’t know what world you live in but it sure ain’t reality.

Draining away 2 more weeks of your savings isn't something to be applauded. Polo playing Gill has been Mr Invisible during this, and just passively waited for things to happen.

Let's have a look at the way their codes behavior has been covered:

AFL

- Stalking by ex-coach (Poor guy he needs help)
- Drunk and dangerous driving (Poor guys, they need help)
- Stabbing, and refusing to speak to the Police (Poor guy, he needs help)
- Entire club breaking lockdown protocols(No biggie, honest mistake)

Compare that to the NRL coverage, which concocted drama at every turn.

 

[big hit!]

Draining away 2 more weeks of your savings isn't something to be applauded. Polo playing Gill has been Mr Invisible during this, and just passively waited for things to happen.

Let's have a look at the way their codes behavior has been covered:

AFL

- Stalking by ex-coach (Poor guy he needs help)
- Drunk and dangerous driving (Poor guys, they need help)
- Stabbing, and refusing to speak to the Police (Poor guy, he needs help)
- Entire club breaking lockdown protocols(No biggie, honest mistake)

Compare that to the NRL coverage, which concocted drama at every turn.

It’s no surprise Nine Ent and News Corp media outlets are the ones that have historically get stuck in the most. They’re the ones the NRL depend on financially, so much that they regularly advance payment on rights. It’s a shit dynamic and it’s why they can do it for their own benefit.

Or perhaps they subscribe to the PR theory that any publicity is good publicity, and doing Rugba League a favour. The more scandalous, the better.