Question on Peter V'landys

[taipan]

It didn't cost us at all, they had a strategy pre covid, they new FTA was going to die, and streaming was the future, Fox didn't have to be part of the plan and they had a hissy fit because without league and AFL they are dead and they know it. We have the power.

The real issue here is their control over our game, I can never see us being independent and that is to the game's detriment. even when we want to expand like other sports do we have to ask them.

As Waleed Aly said on the Offsiders, both deals like to be a loss for the game, we know it is.

No doubt Fox and the NRL are working together on the streaming as they did with Pay TV that is the only reason I can see why V'landys has extended.

He certainly loves to please them.

As you say if they knew FTA was going to die, then doing what they did with Nine was under the present conditions sensible.Certainly why the digital was non negotiable.

If you want long term revenue certainty at times like this,who else is going to provide that now?ESPN,Disney World? Not likely.
Streaming ATM doesn't;t provide the large amount of funding needed.

Hissy fit ,you in on 5th discussions?
Hardly a scoop that they (Fox) need AFL and the NRL.But guess what,worst case scenario as their main source of income is the USA,they can cut their losses and say see ya later.Just leaving print /Pay wall here with Telegraph and Australian etc.


The control over the game revolves around scheduling and that would be done in consultation with the NRL
V'Landys is going ahead with wanting expansion in Brisbane as early as possible,2022/23.The reason he can do this ,he has teh revenue certainty from Fox for 2023-2027.If no deal had been done or he'd left it till 2021/22,it would likely still not done.
The other numpties would be still shuffling around.

Saw and heard Aly, quoting him is hardly the piece de resistance .He's been here 5 minutes watching the NRL and is now an expert of the rules, the admin .Just another ABC/Project /AFL sycophant.
He has SFA idea of what the deal money was,like us and he also has NFI that V'Landys wants to expand into Brisbane as a result of the Foxtel deal revenues.
The Brisbane 2 expansion I suggest is higher priority with revenue certainty, than streaming is in 2023 an unknown value.

Well he's achieved more in a short space of time than any prior CEO or Chairman, if that involves pleasing or being civility works.Displeasing doesn't work as Smith showed.
It gets up the noses of the AFL and FitzSimons because their codes are either trailing or going nowhere.
Greenberg used to regularly keep in touch with the AFLs' McLachlan sharing ideas ,your main competitor.

 

[taipan]

yes sometimes they are, but never in the nrl’s history, what’s that telling us?

Never in the NRL's history have we had a pandemic that has killed 350k and infected nearly 5 million.Shattered our economy, put hundreds of thousands out of work, and poured further financial problems not only on the NRL but all codes and also broadcasters.

Never in the country's history ,has a Govt had to throw around tens of billions of dollars to keep people away from starvation.
If you believe the NRL playing tough on negotiations under these circumstances is going to achieve the desired result, then you are either not affected by the pandemic and its implications or you are living well away from civilisation.
If we had asset backing of at least a couple of hundred million dollars, or owned buildings ,we may have played a little harder.
You can only play with the cards you have, and we one or two aces and so did the broadcasters.

The AFL is going to have to renegotiate with 7 and Foxtel,what does that tell you if they get a lower deal?

 

[taipan]

it is outstanding that the guy can make a deal that strips $200mill out of nrl revenue and the masses still loves him, I’ll give him credit where it is due, he knows how to play the game lol.
He missed his vocation, should have been a politician.

The masses understand we have a pandemic.You think it's just academic.

 

[taipan]

F


And don't News just love him, says it all really

What is really annoying is that we were always going to align with News Ltd covid-19 or not. As I've said before join the dots of the last year or so.
Why was he in the US 2 months ago with Abdo, what was that about?
They saw our digital as a rival which would have weakened them, now they have a big say in it to their benefit and no longer is it a rival. They have until the end of 2027 to bed it in.

I don't think ESPN was quite ready to spend hundreds of millions on the NRL.
But of course in teh current clustefr*ck that is our and thew world's economies ,broadcasters should be swimming in the greenbacks.
We at least have known revenue going in til end 2027, and as a result V'Landys is looking at getting Brisbane 2 in sooner rather than later.
They went to the USA not only to visit Fox but other major broadcast/social media organisations.As did polo pony riding McLachlan of AFL fame.

 

[Vee]

fox would go bust if they didn’t have nrl, how are they going to say no to us? Sad thing about nrl is we don’t understand how powerful we are, we hold the cards as we have the most watched sport on australian tv. That’s two tv deals in a row now where tv has dictated to the point we’ve sacked a ceo they didNt like because they were aiming for the best for the game, and publicly embarrassed the game. And we reward it. Like a petulant child we keep rewarding this bad behaviour So no wonder it continues. I had hoped this big balls chairman everyone is fawning over would maybe have the Coohoonas to say no more, but instead he has capitulated like the rest, less money, no wins for the game, extension with no competitive tension, undisclosed deals for first time in games history. But hey he makes decisions right?

I await PVL'S answer.

 

[Perth Red]

As you say if they knew FTA was going to die, then doing what they did with Nine was under the present conditions sensible.Certainly why the digital was non negotiable.

If you want long term revenue certainty at times like this,who else is going to provide that now?ESPN,Disney World? Not likely.
Streaming ATM doesn't;t provide the large amount of funding needed.

Hissy fit ,you in on 5th discussions?
Hardly a scoop that they (Fox) need AFL and the NRL.But guess what,worst case scenario as their main source of income is the USA,they can cut their losses and say see ya later.Just leaving print /Pay wall here with Telegraph and Australian etc.


The control over the game revolves around scheduling and that would be done in consultation with the NRL
V'Landys is going ahead with wanting expansion in Brisbane as early as possible,2022/23.The reason he can do this ,he has teh revenue certainty from Fox for 2023-2027.If no deal had been done or he'd left it till 2021/22,it would likely still not done.
The other numpties would be still shuffling around.

Saw and heard Aly, quoting him is hardly the piece de resistance .He's been here 5 minutes watching the NRL and is now an expert of the rules, the admin .Just another ABC/Project /AFL sycophant.
He has SFA idea of what the deal money was,like us and he also has NFI that V'Landys wants to expand into Brisbane as a result of the Foxtel deal revenues.
The Brisbane 2 expansion I suggest is higher priority with revenue certainty, than streaming is in 2023 an unknown value.

Well he's achieved more in a short space of time than any prior CEO or Chairman, if that involves pleasing or being civility works.Displeasing doesn't work as Smith showed.
It gets up the noses of the AFL and FitzSimons because their codes are either trailing or going nowhere.
Greenberg used to regularly keep in touch with the AFLs' McLachlan sharing ideas ,your main competitor.

have you seen how much DAZN is buying up sports rights for? Your wrong to think there isn’t big money being spent by streaming services to secure sports rights.

 

[taipan]

have you seen how much DAZN is buying up sports rights for? Your wrong to think there isn’t big money being spent by streaming services to secure sports rights.

As I have painfully explained to you ad nauseum, not 100% of businesses have lost out in the pandemic, eg Coles ,Woolworths and no doubt the odd broadcaster or business overseas.But it is safe to say well over 90% have ,including many Pommy ones who set up in our malls.
I also stated to you, that if Foxtel in this country went down the tube ,their Yankee office would still continue as a going concern.
But we are small bikkies in this country when it comes sport as compared to the world.Thus ATM we can only negotiate what we have at our disposal ,broadcasters in our local market, and what our code needs is some degree of financial certainty for the next few years.You cannot plan ahead ,especially when you want to expand, if you don't know what folding stuff you will be getting.

Ten years time who knows the lie of the land.Under the sh*t circumstances ,we can only work on what we know and it "ain't" pretty.

Why? Because we are near flipping broke, as well as many of our clubs.The AFL players have to take pay cuts and they will be involved in TV negotiations.
I want the game to survive and thrive, you just want a Perth team and everyone else can get shafted.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I thank PVL for getting the footy back on.
Bravo! Was a great weekend.

 

[unforgiven]

have you seen how much DAZN is buying up sports rights for? Your wrong to think there isn’t big money being spent by streaming services to secure sports rights.

So were they interested in the NRL?

 

[typicalfan]

Announcing Expansion plans like this is PVL doubling down on his advantage he created by bringing NRL back early.

When all other codes are concerned about losses and when/if they will start back up, NRL is planning it's growth.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

 

[Quicksilver]

See my V'best

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So were they interested in the NRL?

The only way companies like this will be interested is if the NRL produces its own content. I cannot see them throwing around the money Foxtel does. They will go after bottom feeder sports like NBL, A-league, Super Rugby, but only if the governing bodies of those leagues hire an independent company to produce all of their content.

 

[taipan]

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PR just gave the biggest technicolour yawn ever seen on this planet.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

PR just gave the biggest technicolour yawn ever seen on this planet.

He'll suck him off if Vlandys brings in Perff.

 

[unforgiven]

Apparently Telstra loses the rights to streaming on mobile devices post 2022, so the Live Pass will be gone after 2022.

 

[Perth Red]

Apparently Telstra loses the rights to streaming on mobile devices post 2022, so the Live Pass will be gone after 2022.

not surprising, and they kind of haven’t being a partner in Fox. Fox extension no doubt locks in streaming rights for Kayo/foxtel go until ‘27.

 

[unforgiven]

not surprising, and they kind of haven’t being a partner in Fox. Fox extension no doubt locks in streaming rights for Kayo/foxtel go until ‘27.

No I think they have though because despite being part owners of fox have not been involved in discussions and I believe fox don't want them to be able to broadcast on mobile.

 

[Perth Red]

No I think they have though because despite being part owners of fox have not been involved in discussions and I believe fox don't want them to be able to broadcast on mobile.

yeh they are competing with themselves at moment, my point is the streaming rights will be exclusive to fox but as Telstra are part owners of foxtel they are still getting a return. Expect Telstra customers to get a deal on Kayo or foxtel go as compensation.

 

[unforgiven]

yeh they are competing with themselves at moment, my point is the streaming rights will be exclusive to fox but as Telstra are part owners of foxtel they are still getting a return. Expect Telstra customers to get a deal on Kayo or foxtel go as compensation.

They already get a deal on both kayo and foxtel. I think the live pass is useless anyway, especially now kayo exists.