Racial slur in Parra v Souths match

[TooheysNew]

If I wasnt mistaken I'd think youre being racist here.

f**kin hypocrite.

Nope, not racist. The issue is about aboriginals, and i have aboriginal ancestory, therefore I am in a better position to comment.

It's the same as saying my family were all famers, so i'm in a better position to comment on farming than someone on the outside who has no knowledge of racism.

If you're going to attack me at least make the attack stick.

 

[Moffo]

One of the people in here brought up the Barry Ward-Anthony Mundine fracas from a few years ago to bolster their own point of view. Mundine used the term "fat merkin"; Ward retorted with "black merkin". This banter right here proves that adding the word "black" is more sinister than simple skin colour recognition, as so many of you are labouring to suggest. The word "black" is stapled on there as a derogatory prefix - we can feign innocence and ignorance, but the truth is EVERYONE knows the history of this prefix. We all know it has been stapled to our speech to demean, deride, and denigrate Aboriginals since day one. Fletcher is not a naive, innocent child - he is an adult. No adult that uses the prefix is innocent. Dean Widders and Anthony Mundine are proud Aboriginals. Thus they have a right to be offended by a deliberate slur at their culture, their people, and themselves.

Do you think to discriminate against someone based on their weight is offensive?

 

[fish eel]

If I wasnt mistaken I'd think youre being racist here.

f**kin hypocrite.

how so?

I didnt know Irish Catholics were often called a 'black c'?

 

[fish eel]

One of the people in here brought up the Barry Ward-Anthony Mundine fracas from a few years ago to bolster their own point of view. Mundine used the term "fat merkin"; Ward retorted with "black merkin". This banter right here proves that adding the word "black" is more sinister than simple skin colour recognition, as so many of you are labouring to suggest. The word "black" is stapled on there as a derogatory prefix - we can feign innocence and ignorance, but the truth is EVERYONE knows the history of this prefix. We all know it has been stapled to our speech to demean, deride, and denigrate Aboriginals since day one. Fletcher is not a naive, innocent child - he is an adult. No adult that uses the prefix is innocent. Dean Widders and Anthony Mundine are proud Aboriginals. Thus they have a right to be offended by a deliberate slur at their culture, their people, and themselves.

 

[innsaneink]

Nope, not racist. The issue is about aboriginals, and i have aboriginal ancestory, therefore I am in a better position to comment.

It's the same as saying my family were all famers, so i'm in a better position to comment on farming than someone on the outside who has no knowledge of racism.

If you're going to attack me at least make the attack stick.

Oh, were talking about aboriginals are we? I thought the issue was racism.

There you go again

 

[TooheysNew]

Nice post Illa - I agree completely.

 

[bartman]

So?

I find the term yellow as offensive as calling someone black

Yeah me too, I was hoping Lego_Man would explain further, so we could see why he chose to use the word yellow, and why he sees having people speaking Mandarin in an international city like Auckland such a problem.

 

[sydraider]

Sure in scale they don't compare, but don't those situations make you you think that maybe it's desirable to nip any racial comments on a football field (work place) in the bud?

^

This is my arguement, it happened on a rugby league field where tensions and adrenalin run high. I have said many a time in this arguement that I do not condone racism or discrimination in any way shape or form, yet we are talking about a bloke who was labelled a coloured so and so, offered an apology, yet did not want a bar of it, some people should just get on with life.
IMO if fletch has come to widders after the game and offered an apology to which is more than likely a brain explosion on the field, then what is the drama??
Im sure widders has never offended anybody in his lifetime!

 

[TooheysNew]

Oh, were talking about aboriginals are we? I thought the issue was racism.

There you go again

Racism against Widders. What race is widders?

We are talking about racism, and I was talking in the specific scope of Widders, which was the original topic. From there it broadened into racism in general.

Once again, what you are saying has no point.

 

[bartman]

Nip in the bud? lol


sorry

Don't get it, sorry? Instead of "nip it in the bud" maybe I should have used "make use of complaint mechanisms available to reduce future incidents of a similar type occuring".

It's not just about Flecther's comments and whether he's sorry about them. It's about making sure these types of comments don't happen as much/again in the future. That's why it needs more than concilliation or Widders accepting an apology from Fletcher.

 

[innsaneink]

how so?

I didnt know Irish Catholics were often called a 'black c'?

It's just a name. My ancestors are aboriginal. I believe that puts me in a better position to comment on the issue at hand than your irish catholic background.

He thinks because hes of aboriginal heritage he qualifies as knowing more about racism than someone with irish catholic b/ground.

Clear cut case of racism if I ever seen one.

 

[Lego_Man]

Yeah me too, I was hoping Lego_Man would explain further, so we could see why he chose to use the word yellow, and why he sees having people speaking Mandarin in an international city like Auckland such a problem.

Yellow wasn't being used as a derogatory term, merely descriptive.

And as a European New Zealander i do have a problem with Auckland being flooded by immigrants who do not share our language, culture or values and who have no desire to integrate.

I'm all for diversity, but there is such a thing as too much diversity.

New Zealand is not China.

 

[Moffo]

He thinks because hes of aboriginal heritage he qualifies as knowing more about racism than someone with irish catholic b/ground.

Clear cut case of racism if I ever seen one.

how is that racism mate? I think you should take a pill and have a lie down...

 

[fish eel]

^

This is my arguement, it happened on a rugby league field where tensions and adrenalin run high. I have said many a time in this arguement that I do not condone racism or discrimination in any way shape or form, yet we are talking about a bloke who was labelled a coloured so and so, offered an apology, yet did not want a bar of it, some people should just get on with life.
IMO if fletch has come to widders after the game and offered an apology to which is more than likely a brain explosion on the field, then what is the drama??
Im sure widders has never offended anybody in his lifetime!

For the upteenth time, Dean's viewpoint is the only one that counts. Its not up to him to accept Fletchers apology, and its not your, mine or anybody else who can tell him he should.

If he was offended and upset and wants to take it further he is entitled to do that and do it without being judged.

 

[bartman]

This is my arguement, it happened on a rugby league field where tensions and adrenalin run high. I have said many a time in this arguement that I do not condone racism or discrimination in any way shape or form, yet we are talking about a bloke who was labelled a coloured so and so, offered an apology, yet did not want a bar of it, some people should just get on with life.
IMO if fletch has come to widders after the game and offered an apology to which is more than likely a brain explosion on the field, then what is the drama??
Im sure widders has never offended anybody in his lifetime!

It's not just about Flecther's comments and whether he's sorry about them. It's about making sure these types of comments don't happen as much/again in the future. That's why it needs more than concilliation or Widders accepting an apology from Fletcher.

In scale a racial comment during a football game is not the same as systematic use of concentration camps, but the mere history there shows me how important it is to take a stance to discourage further racial comments in sport, workplaces, and other racial discrimination in life, lest we end up with such terrible historical events recurring in the world.

 

[innsaneink]

Racism against Widders. What race is widders?

We are talking about racism, and I was talking in the specific scope of Widders, which was the original topic. From there it broadened into racism in general.

Once again, what you are saying has no point.

LOL....you brush off an accusation of racism yourself by saying it has no point???

You are one mega hypocrite arent ya?

Dont you think you saying your better to talk about something than someone else is based on race isnt racist?

You gotta be joking.

 

[Moffo]

Yellow wasn't being used as a derogatory term, merely descriptive.

And as a European New Zealander i do have a problem with Auckland being flooded by immigrants who do not share our language, culture or values and who have no desire to integrate.

I'm all for diversity, but there is such a thing as too much diversity.

New Zealand is not China.

so you have no problems with calling maoris, blacks?

I think a balance in society is important but i don't know why someone has to be referred to by their colour

 

[Moffo]

Don't get it, sorry? Instead of "nip it in the bud" maybe I should have used "make use of complaint mechanisms available to reduce future incidents of a similar type occuring".

It's not just about Flecther's comments and whether he's sorry about them. It's about making sure these types of comments don't happen as much/again in the future. That's why it needs more than concilliation or Widders accepting an apology from Fletcher.

Na I was just being stupid, the nip in the bud comment was ironic in the context of this discussion

 

[fish eel]

I think you should take a pill and have a lie down...

I think we all probably should lest this gets out of hand.

 

[Moffo]

I think we all probably should lest this gets out of hand.

It sure has been a popular topic, id say 80 posts in the last hour!