I've been ignoring TGD for weeks. I clicked to see a few of his latest replies to this thread. Still the same agenda. The bloke is an ideologue who ignores reality. Same as Perth Red. Demanding the game invest in fruitless adventures, then blaming the admin when it doesn't work or they have enough brains to not try it.
You know crowing about how you blocked someone because you don't like what they have to say doesn't make you look good... And you calling me an ideologue is just projection.
and I know we're right as people much smarter than all of us agree that Perth and Adelaide are unviable.
Media analysts like Colin Smith agree that Brisbane 3 is valuable, yet TGD and Perth Red bloke still refuse to acknowledge it.
Who are these people that are "much smarter than all of us", and how about you present their words instead of putting words in their mouths like you have poor Colin Smith here.
I've read a lot of Colin Smith's opinions on the NRL, and I agree and disagree with him on certain points, I also think he is too focused on maximising broadcast revenue in the short term over what's best for the growth of the sport overall. All things considered I think he's pretty around it though.
It's hard to respond to what you are talking about without seeing an actual quote, however it's very unlike him to directly support any particular expansion market (aside from Bris 2) without the caveat of something like 'subject to an in-depth review'.
One thing is for sure though, he's for expansion, he thinks it needs to happen quick, and he warns about the AFL's slow growth in NSW and Qld.
Here's a good article on his opinions, and frankly they are much closer to mine, PR's, and other people that have similar opinions then they are to yours.
TGD asks for evidence more Brisbane teams will bring money into the game. WTF??
Okay, well I will give it to him.
The Broncos are the most profitable pro sports club in the country. FACT.
Their derbies with the Cowboys, if you can call them that given the distance, draws over 40,000 at Lang Park and 240,000 on TV in 2019. FACT.
Only an idiot could not see that genuine derbies with other Brisbane teams would produce similar results, possibly better. When Crushers came in 57,000 people in Brisbane regularly attended games in 1995, despite the new team having a shit brand of a steam powered train from a bygone era that represented no one in 1995 Brisbane, poor colours and a name not applicable to life in urban Brisbane. Then the Super League War hit and buggered the game up here in a really big way that took a decade to rectify.
I never asked for evidence that more Brisbane teams will bring money into the game, not really anyway, I asked that another poster back their assertions more generally. In other words I asked for the rational behind their reasoning so that it can be responded too.
But even then your evidence that more Brisbane clubs will be successful is basically that the Broncos are successful, but it doesn't necessarily follow that just because the Broncos are successful that any other Brisbane club will also be.
Also I'm going to state again, I'm not against a second Brisbane club.
TGD says put teams in Adelaide and Perth to build an audience.
RL did that with Melbourne for almost zero gain. 22 years of the Storm dominating has led to only 3,500 registered players in all of Victoria. The highest TV audience in Melbourne for 2019 was 68,000 in Rd 1 for a game against the most watched club in the country, the Broncos. No AwFuL on that weekend. To put it into perspective, Lions average 40,000 in Brisbane on a multichannel in a metro area only half the size, with a team that has spent the last 15 years glued to the foot of the ladder.
What was the participation numbers in Victoria prior to the Storm, what where the average ratings in Melbourne prior to the Storm, how much coverage was the sport getting in Victoria prior to the Storm, etc, etc.
I don't have those statistics and don't know where you could find them, if they were recorded at all, but I think its safe to say that all of those numbers have grown exponentially since the Storm entered the competition, and that unless something catastrophic happens they'll continue on an upward trend into the future.
I also think it's safe to say that if the Storm weren't admitted into the competition that you wouldn't have seen any of that growth, and that the only way you are going to have any real expansion of the sport into markets like Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide, etc, is a top down approach.
How many times do I need to point out that fumbleball had an established base in NSW and Queensland long before the VFL expanded into these states?
Fumbleball was played in Queensland and NSW in the 19th century.
Firstly Vic, WA, SA, Tas, etc, all have/had established bases for RL as well. Like Aussie Rules in NSW and Queensland they are/were comparatively small bases, but they are/were there, and they could be built on.
But how do you think those established bases came about? Do you think that they popped up out of the ground, or do you reckon that somebody took the time to take the sport and introduce it to a new area?
Because if we follow your line of thought it's a pointless waste of time to introduce the sport to new areas to attempt to build and grow a base!
TGD says not to blame others for the game's failings. In other words, ignore all the evidence that explain why his crackpot expansion plans have failed.
It's not RL'S fault that modern sport as we know it was invented in 19th century England by bored aristocrats looking for a way to fill their time and network with other snobs. RL, being a working class game created by coal miners from the north of England who dared to rebel against the aristocrats from the RFU in the south of England, were the very people aristocrats did not want to cohort with. They used their connections with the establishment to have RL blacklisted all around the world and it still happens to some extent. Flippikat spoke about the situation in NZ a few days ago. A few years ago an Australian man was locked up in jail in UAE for using his own money to develop RL in that country. The local RU contacted the cops and he was locked up until he agreed to stop funding RL.
How Perth Red and TGD can look the other way at this shit when it has gone on since 1895, God knows. Unlike these two idealists, I accept that some areas of the world cannot be won. The battle facing RL in Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne is far too high for us to overcome with our meagre resources. We don't have the media and business community on our side and never will. Nothing our admin does will change that.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. That's what TGD and Perth Red want our leaders to do.
Woah, that's one mighty fine straw man that you've built there lol.
You can't control what other people do and how they do it, you can however control what you do and how you do it, and it's not productive to dwell on history and things you can't change when you could be making changes to better you and your position in the world.
So instead of blaming other people and giving up, how about learning from your mistakes and coming back stronger for them.
