Rank the Brisbane bids

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you've used this "argument" in a few threads now
That soccer club your refering to (Victory) also outdraws the average of every NRL club except the Broncos, and for a city-based example, Sydney FC outdraws a handfull of Sydney NRL clubs. So your argument isn't as good at bashing the Storm as you think it is

The total amount of people attending RL matches in Sydney each week would be far greater than Sydney FC's and Victory's average.

Some Sydney NRL clubs haven't tasted success in years.

Melbourne Storm are in the top 4 every year and have no other club to compete with for fans. It is in a city that routinely says it is the sports capital of the world. If it is all that then its attendances at Storm games is shit.

Storm should be drawing higher attendances than all other clubs except Brisbane. It has a metro area of 5 million all to itself. Cowboys have 150k, Newcastle 500k, Gold Coast 600k, Canberra 400k and Auckland less than 2 million yet its average is almost as high as Melbourne's.

 

[greenBV4]

Storm should be drawing higher attendances than all other clubs except Brisbane. It has a metro area of 5 million all to itself. Cowboys have 150k, Newcastle 500k, Gold Coast 600k, Canberra 400k and Auckland less than 2 million yet its average is almost as high as Melbourne's.

Using your thought process for Brisbane maybe thats because those 5 million are culturally different and don't all resonate with the storm, maybe we need 8 clubs in Melbourne so everyone can feel connected to their local area

Like it or not Melbourne are one of the best follwed clubs in all metrics, comparing that to population only proves the point that less teams in one city is more benefitional than more as it maximises that clubs share of the potential fans

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Using your thought process for Brisbane maybe thats because those 5 million are culturally different and don't all resonate with the storm, maybe we need 8 clubs in Melbourne so everyone can feel connected to their local area

Like it or not Melbourne are one of the best follwed clubs in all metrics, comparing that to population only proves the point that less teams in one city is more benefitional than more as it maximises that clubs share of the potential fans

Queensland 62,000 registered players.

Victoria 3,500.

The cultural difference is people in Brisbane live and breathe RL as their preferred sport whereas Melbourne is a rusted on fumbleball city.

 

[greenBV4]

Queensland 62,000 registered players.

Victoria 3,500.

The cultural difference is people in Brisbane live and breathe RL as their preferred sport whereas Melbourne is a rusted on fumbleball city.

Yep, and the defeatist attitude that people like you and vlandys has will mean that nothing will ever change

We're on the back foot here and will take a lot of effort to change that > don't bother with the effort > is shocked that nothing is changing

Will adding another 2 or 3 Brisbane teams like you have continually suggested significanly boost that 62,000? or just be a bunch of feel-good suburban clubs for the locals of a particular sub region to have that will all ultimately just canibilsise the support of each other?

Grassroots developemnt is ultimately the job of the state body and NRL, do you want to compare the funding of the QRL to any of the Afflilate states?

 

[mongoose]

Yep, and the defeatist attitude that people like you and vlandys has will mean that nothing will ever change

We're on the back foot here and will take a lot of effort to change that > don't bother with the effort > is shocked that nothing is changing

Will adding another 2 or 3 Brisbane teams like you have continually suggested significanly boost that 62,000? or just be a bunch of feel-good suburban clubs for the locals of a particular sub region to have that will all ultimately just canibilsise the support of each other?

Grassroots developemnt is ultimately the job of the state body and NRL, do you want to compare the funding of the QRL to any of the Afflilate states?

yeah this is it. Brisbane's TV audience and participation rate might already be maxed out, even with just 1 team. Brisbane 2 should happen because I think there should be an NRL game in Brisbane at least once a week. The second Brisbane team will bring high ratings but not necessarily a new audience to the sport. Having a 3rd and 4th Brisbane team won't bring much at all to the comp imo

 

[Perth Red]

Queensland 62,000 registered players.

Victoria 3,500.

The cultural difference is people in Brisbane live and breathe RL as their preferred sport whereas Melbourne is a rusted on fumbleball city.

yet Brisbane’s only club is nowhere near as big as afl clubs in similar cities? Can’t love rl that much or Suncorp would be sold out every game

 

[Perth Red]

The total amount of people attending RL matches in Sydney each week would be far greater than Sydney FC's and Victory's average.

Some Sydney NRL clubs haven't tasted success in years.

Melbourne Storm are in the top 4 every year and have no other club to compete with for fans. It is in a city that routinely says it is the sports capital of the world. If it is all that then its attendances at Storm games is shit.

Storm should be drawing higher attendances than all other clubs except Brisbane. It has a metro area of 5 million all to itself. Cowboys have 150k, Newcastle 500k, Gold Coast 600k, Canberra 400k and Auckland less than 2 million yet its average is almost as high as Melbourne's.

are you really so stupid you dont understand that melbourne is an afl city, or are you just trolling? It’s hard to determine.

 

[Perth Red]

Yep, and the defeatist attitude that people like you and vlandys has will mean that nothing will ever change

We're on the back foot here and will take a lot of effort to change that > don't bother with the effort > is shocked that nothing is changing

Will adding another 2 or 3 Brisbane teams like you have continually suggested significanly boost that 62,000? or just be a bunch of feel-good suburban clubs for the locals of a particular sub region to have that will all ultimately just canibilsise the support of each other?

Grassroots developemnt is ultimately the job of the state body and NRL, do you want to compare the funding of the QRL to any of the Afflilate states?

$271mill revenue difference between the two codes. Avg of $30million football generated revenue between an afl club and nrl club. We are so far behind it isn’t funny and Vlandys will just widen that gap.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

are you really so stupid you dont understand that melbourne is an afl city, or are you just trolling? It’s hard to determine.

Are you so stupid you previously responded to a post of mine where I stated Melbourne is a rusted on fumbleball city, but are now asking me if I know it is one?

Maybe senility is starting to settle in.

Mate, if you don't understand the point I am making then you have the IQ of a shoe.

Fumbleball has a far higher participation rate in Brisbane and Sydney than RL does in Melbourne.

Brisbane and Sydney are NOT fumbleball cities.

Is it starting to sink into that thick skull of yours?

Melbourne is always boasting about how it is the sports capital of the world.

You cannot have it both ways mate.

Storm have been around for 22 years now. There's no reason for the participation rate in Melbourne to be so low. Spare me the BS about lack of funding. If a kid is inspired by a sporting hero, and the Storm have provided heaps of them over the last 22 years, they will take up that game.

The Australian Cricket Board didn't need to send development officers around to encourage kids to bowl legspin when Warne was around. Kids were doing it all over the country because they wanted to be like their hero. None of them were any good at it as they didn't have the skill, but that's beside the point. Melbourne have only inspired 3,500 people to play the game.

When I played sports as a kid it sure as hell wasn't because a development officer came knocking on my door or to my school. I did it because I saw a game and took a liking to it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yet Brisbane’s only club is nowhere near as big as afl clubs in similar cities? Can’t love rl that much or Suncorp would be sold out every game

It's been explained to you why so many RL fans in Brisbane hate the Broncos. If you still don't get it then maybe you should get a brain scan.

Broncos are still the most watched sporting club in the country.

It's not called Suncorp. It's Lang Park.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yeah this is it. Brisbane's TV audience and participation rate might already be maxed out, even with just 1 team. Brisbane 2 should happen because I think there should be an NRL game in Brisbane at least once a week. The second Brisbane team will bring high ratings but not necessarily a new audience to the sport. Having a 3rd and 4th Brisbane team won't bring much at all to the comp imo

That's your opinion, but it's not backed up by any evidence.

I remember you saying Logan isn't a city. When I proved it was a city by showing you government documentation declaring it as a city in 1981 your response was you don't care, you still refuse to view it as a city.

How can I reason with some one who refuses to acknowledge basic facts and parameters?

Mark Latham spoke about this on Sky the other day. He pointed out that Parramatta is a city, not a suburb.

What we do know is the increased presence brought on by having 3 or 4 teams in the metro area will starve the other codes of media space and commercial opportunities. Having more teams will bring back tribalism, which will encourage participation.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep, and the defeatist attitude that people like you and vlandys has will mean that nothing will ever change

We're on the back foot here and will take a lot of effort to change that > don't bother with the effort > is shocked that nothing is changing

Will adding another 2 or 3 Brisbane teams like you have continually suggested significanly boost that 62,000? or just be a bunch of feel-good suburban clubs for the locals of a particular sub region to have that will all ultimately just canibilsise the support of each other?

Grassroots developemnt is ultimately the job of the state body and NRL, do you want to compare the funding of the QRL to any of the Afflilate states?

Kids play sport because they're inspired by their favourite sports stars.

They watch them on TV, go see them at the game and then buy a ball and play the game in the backyard. After time they join a club.


Storm have provided two generations of children with many heroes to emulate since 1998.

Kids know about them. They just don't care. Not even being in the top 4 every year and having the best players in the game could draw them away from fumbleball.

What do you seriously expect develop officers to do to entice kids to play the game?

Are they supposed to wave a magic wand?

Hypnotise kids so they forget about fumbleball?

At the end of the day they will never forget about fumbleball because they have God knows how many AwFuL teams in the metro area saturating the media all year. Every weekend there are multiple fumbleball games for them to attend. If they had less teams they wouldn't be as strong. You want Brisbane and Sydney to do the opposite of what works for AwFuL.

3 or 4 teams in Brisbane will increase TV ratings in the Brisbane metro area.

2019 Ratings for Brisbane

173k when Broncos play
157k when Cowboys or Titans play
107k when no Queensland team plays

http://www.footyindustry.com/?p=4923

Local derbies provide bigger crowds, generate a buzz around the city that is better than running an ad on TV ans will generate massive TV ratings. When NQ and Brisbane played in 2019 240k people watched in Brisbane metro area. That's the sort of audience a local derby will generate. Ch9 will love that. Four teams means many local derbies.

Despite the Crushers having a terrible brand that represented no one, they and the Broncos drew 57,000 between them.

 

[greenBV4]

It's not called Suncorp. It's Lang Park.

hmm

I remember you saying Logan isn't a city. When I proved it was a city by showing you government documentation declaring it as a city in 1981 your response was you don't care, you still refuse to view it as a city.

How can I reason with some one who refuses to acknowledge basic facts and parameters?

Mark Latham spoke about this on Sky the other day. He pointed out that Parramatta is a city, not a suburb.

Its not hard to become a city, its a joke how many regional towns are actually "cities", almost every council in every capital city are classified as cities. Suburb/Council/City are not mutually exclusive.

What do you seriously expect develop officers to do to entice kids to play the game?

Do you think development officers are the only thing lacking? try school programs, facilities, ground hire, equiptment, the costs to actually run the clubs. You keep comparing to AFL in NSW & Qld, do you think that is spearheaded by the clubs or the AFL itself? (its the AFL), if the extra funding doesnt help at all then why is the AFL investing so much in NRL states?

What we do know is the increased presence brought on by having 3 or 4 teams in the metro area will starve the other codes of media space and commercial opportunities. Having more teams will bring back tribalism, which will encourage participation

Ah, the magic word, do you have any proof or stats that show tribalism in the top division will lead to more people playing the game in Brisbane? I would think that Brisbane being arguably the biggest league city in the world would already have everyone playing league and adding more clubs wont change that.

At the end of the day they will never forget about fumbleball because they have God knows how many AwFuL teams in the metro area saturating the media all year. Every weekend there are multiple fumbleball games for them to attend. If they had less teams they wouldn't be as strong. You want Brisbane and Sydney to do the opposite of what works for AwFuL.

One of the few things the AFL isn't doing right is the number of clubs in Melbourne, they already offloaded south melbourne and fitzroy, and there is always talk of trying to get rid of more. The consistent big crowds come from 4 or 5 clubs, the others struggle comparatively.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

$271mill revenue difference between the two codes. Avg of $30million football generated revenue between an afl club and nrl club. We are so far behind it isn’t funny and Vlandys will just widen that gap.

Much of that is down to AwFuL drawing twice as many fans through the gate you donkey!

Putting teams in Perth and Adelaide isn't going to fix it. The average for teams in those cities would most likely be under 10,000.

 

[greenBV4]

Putting teams in Perth and Adelaide isn't going to fix it. The average for teams in those cities would most likely be under 10,000.

so pretty much on par with sydney clubs?

what are you basing these averages off? the only non-heartland clubs currently in the comp are melbourne and NZ, both are at the higher end of club averages, and one off games taken to perth and adelaide are generally good.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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Suncorp pay to have their name plastered on the stand. It's still Lang Park.

Are the Eels 'Parramatta' or do we call them 'Aland' because their logo is plastered across their jersey?

Its not hard to become a city, its a joke how many regional towns are actually "cities", almost every council in every capital city are classified as cities. Suburb/Council/City are not mutually exclusive.

noun

1. 
   The definition of a city is a town of significant size or an urban area with self-government.
   
   An example of a city is Manhattan.
   
   https://www.yourdictionary.com/city

Logan is a city, based on that definition. It has its own government, over 60 suburbs and 326,000 people.

Logan cannot be classified as a suburb as it has over 60 suburbs within it. A suburb cannot be a suburb of a suburb.

Do you think development officers are the only thing lacking? try school programs, facilities, ground hire, equiptment, the costs to actually run the clubs. You keep comparing to AFL in NSW & Qld, do you think that is spearheaded by the clubs or the AFL itself? (its the AFL), if the extra funding doesnt help at all then why is the AFL investing so much in NRL states?

What makes you think RL and fumbleball are playing on an even field?

In RL QUEENSLAND and NSW, the GPS schools have always prohibited RL from being played because they're affiliated with RU. Fumbleball and soccer were welcomed with open arms by the GPS schools, but poor old RL is still left out in the cold. It is in the GPS schools that fumbleball bas made enormous strides in Queensland and NSW, at the expense of RU. RL just doesn't have the same clout with big business and the establishment because it is a working man's game, whereas RU and fumbleball are supported by the big suits No amount of funding will change this form of discrimination. It's happened in England, NSW, NZ, France, Italy and Serbia.

Do you honestly think Victorian schools are going to open their doors to a sport that they associate with Sydney?

Melbournians are always trying to compete with Sydney in everything. Sydney's better by the way. Sydneysiders couldn't care less about the rivalry as they are 'big brother', whereas Melbourne is the little brat always wanting to be noticed.

Victorians are far more insular and bigoted. The schools and goverent follow fumbleball with a bigoted religious fervour and won't allow any 'competitor' to have a chance of building a fanbase.

Ah, the magic word, do you have any proof or stats that show tribalism in the top division will lead to more people playing the game in Brisbane? I would think that Brisbane being arguably the biggest league city in the world would already have everyone playing league and adding more clubs wont change that.

One of the few things the AFL isn't doing right is the number of clubs in Melbourne, they already offloaded south melbourne and fitzroy, and there is always talk of trying to get rid of more. The consistent big crowds come from 4 or 5 clubs, the others struggle comparatively.

Wait until Bris 2 and 3 are introduced.

 

[Pippen94]

so pretty much on par with sydney clubs?

what are you basing these averages off? the only non-heartland clubs currently in the comp are melbourne and NZ, both are at the higher end of club averages, and one off games taken to perth and adelaide are generally good.

Neither of those clubs get impressive numbers & live crowds mean shit. NRL financial success built on broadcasting rights which are high because there's a good number of Sydney which means a large audience. Imagine if there was one or two teams in Sydney - how small would be audience for most matches?
NRL realize this & have indicated next team will be in Brisbane. Media experts say priority should for Brisbane 3 before Perth.

 

[Pippen94]

$271mill revenue difference between the two codes. Avg of $30million football generated revenue between an afl club and nrl club. We are so far behind it isn’t funny and Vlandys will just widen that gap.

How much revenue 4 northern clubs make?

 

[Pippen94]

yeah this is it. Brisbane's TV audience and participation rate might already be maxed out, even with just 1 team. Brisbane 2 should happen because I think there should be an NRL game in Brisbane at least once a week. The second Brisbane team will bring high ratings but not necessarily a new audience to the sport. Having a 3rd and 4th Brisbane team won't bring much at all to the comp imo

It'll bring more money.
One thing everyone is overlooking is impact of derbies - they generate biggest crowds & ratings and offer feel of special event which previously didn't exist.
Sydney FC opposed wanderers saying it would cannibalize it's fan base - it had opposite effect. Sydney FC members went up with interest of rivalry & derby provide 3 large drawing crowds boasting overall numbers.

 

[greenBV4]

It'll bring more money.
One thing everyone is overlooking is impact of derbies - they generate biggest crowds & ratings and offer feel of special event which previously didn't exist.
Sydney FC opposed wanderers saying it would cannibalize it's fan base - it had opposite effect. Sydney FC members went up with interest of rivalry & derby provide 3 large drawing crowds boasting overall numbers.

Brisbane 2 is definately the right choice for the next team and the derby it creates will be great, but 3 and 4 not so much at this point