Rationalisation of Sydney

[Stallion]

That's just not true though. Attendances are higher now than at any time during the Bears' time in the top flight, so are TV ratings and memberships.

Norths averaged between 10 - 15k fans depending on the success of their season. Melbourne have now replaced these fans (17k average last year), given us a greater national footprint and opened up the second biggest market in the country to us that has a much higher growth ceiling than a suburb in Sydney.

You are looking at the wrong factors . It's junior playing numbers that's the key to Sydney. When they erode so does the code over time! But you can't see this. It's too advanced and it's actual sporting relevance. Not just short term. figures. So you quote things that are not reflective of the genuine state of this sport to suit your flawed logic.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You are looking at the wrong factors . It's junior playing numbers that's the key to Sydney. When they erode so does the code over time! But you can't see this. It's too advanced and it's actual sporting relevance. Not just short term. figures. So you quote things that are not reflective of the genuine state of this sport to suit your flawed logic.

TV ratings, memberships and attendances not reflective of the genuine state of this sport

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You are consistently not looking at the right stuff! Junior playing numbers are well down! So are total attendance numbers for the northern Sydney area including Manly Warringah. But you can't see this weakening of the code. You are waiting for it to be on its knees and then blame something else!

Total nation-wide participation numbers are up and that is the big picture. A couple of suburbs in Northern Sydney are irrelevant when the overall result is up and the game has a larger footprint (i.e. Melbourne eclipsing anything greater than Norths ever achieved in terms of attendances, memberships and ratings).

 

[Stallion]

Total nation-wide participation numbers are up and that is the big picture. A couple of suburbs in Northern Sydney are irrelevant when the overall result is up and the game has a larger footprint (i.e. Melbourne eclipsing anything greater than Norths ever achieved in terms of attendances, memberships and ratings).

You grovelling deceptive piece of shit!
Female participation numbers have increased. Male participation numbers and junior boy numbers in the teenage years have declined, particularly in northern Sydney, where the strategy of reducing the established rugby league footprint has occurred with the demise of the Bears! You are really a sordid piece of delusional thought processes. Manifesting yourself as a continual pest on a website for a code and competititon that is clearly out of your depth.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You grovelling deceptive piece of shit!
Female participation numbers have increased. Male participation numbers and junior boy numbers in the teenage years have declined, particularly in northern Sydney, where the strategy of reducing the established rugby league footprint has occurred with the demise of the Bears! You are really a sordid piece of delusional thought processes. Manifesting yourself as a continual pest on a website for a code and competititon that is clearly out of your depth.

Just so you know, women play RL too and therefore their participation counts. Touch football numbers also count. Do you realise that these participation numbers are used by the NRL to secure increased funding for the code? Why not count everyone?

 

[Stallion]

Just so you know, women play RL too and therefore their participation counts. Touch football numbers also count. Do you realise that these participation numbers are used by the NRL to secure increased funding for the code? Why not count everyone?

How pathetic. Male participation is increasing in other codes and you still can't work it out! Their's no agenda against females in any comment. You are a dribbling mess of crap!

 

[Perth Red]

Another sub 10k crowd in Sydney Tick tock

 

[greenBV4]

You grovelling deceptive piece of shit!

Is this necessary?

I like scrolling though the expansion forum and reading other peoples IDEAS on expansion, whether or not I agree with them, and seeing reasonable discussions on the positive and negatives

But it seems Every. Single. Thread. eventually turns into Stallion throwing insults and shooting down anyone who has an opinion different to his.

Learn that everyone is entitled to their opinions, discuss why you disagree, and if you still don't see eye to eye, ignore it and move on! Instead of basically copy-pasting the same stuff over and over with personal insults thrown in. It shouldn't have to come to the point that everyone has to put you on ignore to be able to read through and discuss points in a forum...

And everyone who goes along with it for too long, please just stop!

 

[Stallion]

Is this necessary?

I like scrolling though the expansion forum and reading other peoples IDEAS on expansion, whether or not I agree with them, and seeing reasonable discussions on the positive and negatives

But it seems Every. Single. Thread. eventually turns into Stallion throwing insults and shooting down anyone who has an opinion different to his.

Learn that everyone is entitled to their opinions, discuss why you disagree, and if you still don't see eye to eye, ignore it and move on! Instead of basically copy-pasting the same stuff over and over with personal insults thrown in. It shouldn't have to come to the point that everyone has to put you on ignore to be able to read through and discuss points in a forum...

And everyone who goes along with it for too long, please just stop!

If you look carefully: Try the other way. And I might add it's incessant and continued crap that my comments are aimed at. You might tend to note whom the pokers and prodders are? I don't like wasting my time . I know you're looking like as if you are taking the middle ground but in terms of rugby league going forward these guys I've responded to deserve every descriptive word. They are damaging and purely negative. Yes I'm calling a spade a spade as I'm no fan of negative discourse and am seeing this great code suffer from such thinking as it procrastinates and follows a poorly laid out strategic path. I care! I'm an ex player , coach, administrator and fan of rugby league. I don't appreciate negativity. I might add I have plenty of support you fail to mention or recognise. And ofcourse I will always support well meaning and progressive discourse. Just don't like wasting time .

 

[greenBV4]

If you look carefully. Try the other way. And I might add it's incessant and continued crap that my comments are aimed at. You might tend to note whom the pokers and prodders are? I don't like wasting my time . I know you're looking like as if you are taking the middle ground but in terms of rugby league going forward these guys I've responded to deserve every descriptive word. They are damaging and purely negative. Yes I'm calling a spade a spade as I'm no fan of negative discourse and am seeing this great code suffer from such thinking as it procrastinates and follows a poorly laid out strategic path. I care! I'm an ex player , coach, administrator and fan of rugby league. I don't appreciate negativity. I might add I have plenty of support you fail to mention or recognise. And ofcourse I will always support well meaning and progressive discourse. Just don't like wasting time .

You might see the posts you're referring to as negative and destructive, but thats your view, and I doubt in their view they are trying to "destroy and erode the code", they think that their ideas are a way forward and a way to improve the code.

People have different opinions, and there isn't necessarily only ever one right answer. I agree with some of your opinions but disagree with others, I wouldn't revert to personal insults and rambling though

 

[Stallion]

You might see the posts you're referring to as negative and destructive, but thats your view, and I doubt in their view they are trying to "destroy and erode the code", they think that their ideas are a way forward and a way to improve the code.

People have different opinions, and there isn't necessarily only ever one right answer. I agree with some of your opinions but disagree with others, I wouldn't revert to personal insults and rambling though

These dudes are extremedy negative and not only myself have noted this. I'm giving them a serve :Yes. Absolutely . Time wasting doesn't bode well with myself and others on this site. You have asserted that I'm not allowing such opinions? I'm responding to such opinions in a manner that reflects both a passionate but at the same time informed response. If you look at some of the "facts " used by these guys, you will.find plenty of omissions on their scurrilous comments. I'm giving it to them Yes. However they have ridiculed me in plenty of discourses. Are you aware that one of these cretins put in a complaint asserting that I was using other aliases to augment comments? Some decent contributors were seen as "frauds" .People like Tri_colours and League X111 were apparently my creations!? Yet no forthcoming apology with respects to.myself or the other contributors they asserted as not real! ? . These guys and their reckless discourse deserve it!

 

[tri_colours]

Another sub 10k crowd in Sydney Tick tock

And how many Sydney siders watching on TV ? And tonight there will be even more. While we had single figure numbers in the Southern States.

We really do need to cull some those Sydney Teams for the sake of the game

 

[flippikat]

And how many Sydney siders watching on TV ? And tonight there will be even more. While we had single figure numbers in the Southern States.

We really do need to cull some those Sydney Teams for the sake of the game

I think some analysis of TV figures for Sydney derbies, Sydney vs interstate clubs & Interstate-only would be needed for that. I seem to remember there was some of that a while back?

You're right that attendance is part of the picture... an important part for club finances, but still only a part.

 

[tri_colours]

I think some analysis of TV figures for Sydney derbies, Sydney vs interstate clubs & Interstate-only would be needed for that. I seem to remember there was some of that a while back?

You're right that attendance is part of the picture... an important part for club finances, but still only a part.

East's gate taking, or any other clubs for that mater will have litle effect on any expansion plans. The near 1 million viewers on tv , the Billions that the networks pay will! And Sydney also generates more non Broadcast revenue than any other area! We need to looking at ways of Strengthening the games no1 asset, not weakening it!

 

[Perth Red]

East's gate taking, or any other clubs for that mater will little have litle effect on any expansion plans. The near 1 million viewers on tv , the Billions that the networks pay will! And Sydney also generates more non Broadcast revenue than any other area! We need to looking at ways of Strengthening the games no1 asset, not weakening it!

Not entirely correct. The nrl has been very consistent over the last 8 years that they haven’t considered expansion due to the existing clubs been in perilous financial states and the nrl having to bail some clubs out, spend a lot of the tv money on the club grants etc. if all clubs were drawing 20k crowds and had 35k members that would not be an issue and we would have expanded a long time ago. Clubs with big fanbases and memberships earn a lot more from that revenue stream than the tv grant to clubs.

This isn’t a Sydney specific issue by any stretch but with it being the heartland of the game, with the advantage of many games having two sets of local fans and with the biggest population city Sydney should be our strength, not our weakness,

 

[Stallion]

East's gate taking, or any other clubs for that mater will little have litle effect on any expansion plans. The near 1 million viewers on tv , the Billions that the networks pay will! And Sydney also generates more non Broadcast revenue than any other area! We need to looking at ways of Strengthening the games no1 asset, not weakening it!

Absolutely. Strengthening instead of weakening established heartland areas is necessary. Otherwise the code is susceptible to falling like a stacked deck of cards! And absolutely fine with more expansion clubs . Not at the expense of established supporter bases. The whiteanting of this competition has gone on long enough. It deserves genuine growth and progress. Not weakening.

 

[tri_colours]

Not entirely correct. The nrl has been very consistent over the last 8 years that they haven’t considered expansion due to the existing clubs been in perilous financial states and the nrl having to bail some clubs out, spend a lot of the tv money on the club grants etc. if all clubs were drawing 20k crowds and had 35k members that would not be an issue and we would have expanded a long time ago. Clubs with big fanbases and memberships earn a lot more from that revenue stream than the tv grant to clubs.

This isn’t a Sydney specific issue by any stretch but with it being the heartland of the game, with the advantage of many games having two sets of local fans and with the biggest population city Sydney should be our strength, not our weakness,

That why I used the word little!

The reason why expansion hasn't been on the agenda is because the NRL couldn't afford it. There finances had been exhausted, and they were given just enough money to survive. They are now rebuilding to put us back in a position of strength! The few million dollars that went to the west tigers was never the issue, nor Newcastle or Gold Coast

If you haven't noticed the AFL support there clubs. You know the people that are making them the money and they have the sense to realise that having 10 club in a city of millions is not a bad thing. They also receive a large grant despite have crowds and membership of many thousands.

Sydney is the NRL greatest asset and yes, we should be trying to strengthen it not weaken in. However the countless pages of negative drivel, and the title of this thread would suggest otherwise.

 

[VictoryFC]

That why I used the word little!

The reason why expansion hasn't been on the agenda is because the NRL couldn't afford it. There finances had been exhausted, and they were given just enough money to survive. They are now rebuilding to put us back in a position of strength! The few million dollars that went to the west tigers was never the issue, nor Newcastle or Gold Coast

If you haven't noticed the AFL support there clubs. You know the people that are making them the money and they have the sense to realise that having 10 club in a city of millions is not a bad thing. They also receive a large grant despite have crowds and membership of many thousands.

Sydney is the NRL greatest asset and yes, we should be trying to strengthen it not weaken in. However the countless pages of negative drivel, and the title of this thread would suggest otherwise.

The same auskick that was going to dropkick norf to the gold coast? And once they resisted, expanded to 18?

You may want to note that for future reference, as it is exactly whats gonna happen in the NRL. No ones moving. The family is expanding.

 

[Generalzod]

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Gorden Tallis Questions Why The Roosters "Have" To Stay In Sydney Amidst Relocation Talk

 

[tri_colours]

The same auskick that was going to dropkick norf to the gold coast? And once they resisted, expanded to 18?

You may want to note that for future reference, as it is exactly whats gonna happen in the NRL. No ones moving. The family is expanding.

My memory is North Melbourne, despite being in financial strife chose to remain in Melbourne, The AFL wanted a side on the Gold Coast. But the decision was entirely the North Melbourne clubs.