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Rationalisation of Sydney

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Stallion

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The Great Dane said:
Are you seriously suggesting that playing footy on Sundays halved a juniors club's participation?
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Enough with the shock horror. Think it's on the mark. Prior to 1970 all senior rugbyleague was played on Saturdays in Newcastle. This provided a very socially relevant /appealing sporting scenario for participants plus a full day of recovery prior to most players going to work on the Monday. The change of day to mostly Sunday senior rugby-league in inner city Newcastle over the past 4 decades has coincided with a significant drop in junior numbers and also senior district clubs like North Newcastle and Waratah Mayfield. This reflects a poor scheduling policy which has forgotten that players enjoy their Saturday night and also welcome the Sunday for recovery. Rugby union playing numbers have increased as a result in inner city Newcastle. It's logical for some but others can't see this. And you are one of the dudes with the eyes closed.
 
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Pommy said:
Form for what not taking everything you say without question?
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Cop it sweet champ. You are being a pest and if that's your call in life? So be it. Whatever rocks your boat champ. For me, it's more about being proactive and not being a sheepish pest! Have a nice day!
 
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Stallion said:
Enough with the shock horror. Think it's on the mark. Prior to 1970 all senior rugbyleague was played on Saturdays in Newcastle. This provided a very socially relevant /appealing sporting scenario for participants plus a full day of recovery prior to most players going to work on the Monday. The change of day to mostly Sunday senior rugby-league in inner city Newcastle over the past 4 decades has coincided with a significant drop in junior numbers and also senior district clubs like North Newcastle and Waratah Mayfield. This reflects a poor scheduling policy which has forgotten that players enjoy their Saturday night and also welcome the Sunday for recovery. Rugby union playing numbers have increased as a result in inner city Newcastle. It's logical for some but others can't see this. And you are one of the dudes with the eyes closed.
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What do you think of the idea of expansion of the RNRL? I see that Wyong, The Entance and Woy Woy may join which I think would be great. There should also be a team playing out of No2 in the centre of NEWCASTLE.
 
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T-Boon said:
I would get rid of 6 Sydney clubs (through relocation or other) and bring in 2 new ones.
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That's a radical restructure.

You're talking about going from 8.5 (Dragons counted as 0.5) clubs to 2 or 3 tops.

Rationalisation of Sydney clubs has long been a tough sell in club-land, but THAT is damn near impossible.. unless you're talking *very long term* here..

Most "reductionists" I've seen generally favour between 4 to 6 Sydney clubs, and I think going down to 4 or 5.. maybe 6 would "prune the tree" enough to allow the expansion and growth we need, with minimal talent dilution.
 
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T-Boon said:
What do you think of the idea of expansion of the RNRL? I see that Wyong, The Entance and Woy Woy may join which I think would be great. There should also be a team playing out of No2 in the centre of NEWCASTLE.
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Maybe . Would love to see North Newcastle come back and play at No2 sportsgound. Really do think the Newcastle league should be prioritizing Saturday only senior games. Even if it means some junior age groups play on the Sunday. That's the underlying issue in Newcastle rugbyleague . Other codes are gaining socially and are becoming more relevant to the locals as time moves on.
 
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Pommy said:
You’re very touchy when your ‘facts’ are questioned.
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So are you when you are pinpointed for what little substance you offer. Just petulance and obstruction doesn't bode well for a contributor. I may be touchy but you are clearly out of line!
 
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Stallion said:
Enough with the shock horror. Think it's on the mark. Prior to 1970 all senior rugbyleague was played on Saturdays in Newcastle. This provided a very socially relevant /appealing sporting scenario for participants plus a full day of recovery prior to most players going to work on the Monday. The change of day to mostly Sunday senior rugby-league in inner city Newcastle over the past 4 decades has coincided with a significant drop in junior numbers and also senior district clubs like North Newcastle and Waratah Mayfield. This reflects a poor scheduling policy which has forgotten that players enjoy their Saturday night and also welcome the Sunday for recovery. Rugby union playing numbers have increased as a result in inner city Newcastle. It's logical for some but others can't see this. And you are one of the dudes with the eyes closed.
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You need to put down the crack pipe and go to some classes on critical thinking.
 
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flippikat said:
That's a radical restructure.

You're talking about going from 8.5 (Dragons counted as 0.5) clubs to 2 or 3 tops.

Rationalisation of Sydney clubs has long been a tough sell in club-land, but THAT is damn near impossible.. unless you're talking *very long term* here..

Most "reductionists" I've seen generally favour between 4 to 6 Sydney clubs, and I think going down to 4 or 5.. maybe 6 would "prune the tree" enough to allow the expansion and growth we need, with minimal talent dilution.
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Have you seen this guys threads before? I don't think he even likes Rugby League since all his ideas are about doing complete overhaul of the rules and structure.
 
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Mr Pmatta said:
Massive call....Who do you follow? and who would you get rid of, can’t wait for your reply!
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I am a Parra fan. I would be okay with relocating the Eels because I don’t much like Parramatta )though it is on the improve). I just don’t think it makes sense to relocate the Eels as we are a one team town.
 
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MrE_Assassin said:
Gordy getting his back up about low attendances at NRL games in this article below. Calls for clubs, particularly those in Sydney, to meet certain KPIs to remain in their current location or be forced to relocate.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...m/news-story/06e1469715a42a82dfcef30a3f5cc67c
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It’s hard to argue that this shouldn’t happen. Nobody would like it today but in the short term but there’s just too many teams in Sydney.
The big question is who goes where and I’m f**ked if I can really answer that.
If it was all fair and above board and decided that Souths had to move I could live with it if the game was to grow overall, although it would need assurances that a relocated expansion team wouldn’t be discarded if the expansion genuinely just didn’t work. Say Souths went to Adelaide and despite the clubs best efforts south Australians just didn’t take to the sport.
 
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Pommy said:
It’s hard to argue that this shouldn’t happen. Nobody would like it today but in the short term but there’s just too many teams in Sydney.
The big question is who goes where and I’m f**ked if I can really answer that.
If it was all fair and above board and decided that Souths had to move I could live with it if the game was to grow overall, although it would need assurances that a relocated expansion team wouldn’t be discarded if the expansion genuinely just didn’t work. Say Souths went to Adelaide and despite the clubs best efforts south Australians just didn’t take to the sport.
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I have a feeling that stadia may drive the decision. There's a lot of moving parts right now, but with Bankwest open for business & New SFS & re-developed ANZ in the works, the pressure goes on teams that split their games (Dragons, Tigers) to move more home fixtures to the flash grounds to catch up with what the Eels, Rabbitohs, Roosters & Bulldogs offer every home game.. and pressure goes on Penrith, Manly & Cronulla to upgrade their far-flung homes.

Something's got to give.
 
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Funny how Tallis was talking about KPI's but his Titans won't even fit the criteria :D

Roosters won't relocate Tallis
 
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Pommy said:
It’s hard to argue that this shouldn’t happen. Nobody would like it today but in the short term but there’s just too many teams in Sydney.
The big question is who goes where and I’m f**ked if I can really answer that.
If it was all fair and above board and decided that Souths had to move I could live with it if the game was to grow overall, although it would need assurances that a relocated expansion team wouldn’t be discarded if the expansion genuinely just didn’t work. Say Souths went to Adelaide and despite the clubs best efforts south Australians just didn’t take to the sport.
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Completely wrong! You are once again failing to count the total population from the Illawarra through to the Central Coast including all of Sydney. Well over 6 million people deserves at least 9 top flight NRL clubs in the codes original area. These clubs have longstanding rivalries which are local and also widespread due to television exposure. You carve them.up : you carve up the relevance of the NRL competition for millions of fans. Only 9 exIst with a blatantly obvious license to print money awaiting a Central Coast Bears inclusion /reinclusion. The weakening of the code in this highly populated area is just what other codes are wanting the NRL to do. So are some on this site!
 
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Stallion said:
Completely wrong! You are once again failing to count the total population from the Illawarra through to the Central Coast including all? for Sydney. Well over 6 million people deserves at least 9 top flight NRL clubs in the codes original area. Only 9 exIst with a blatantly obvious license to.print money awaiting a Central Coast Bears inclusion /reinclusion. The weakening of the code in this highly populated area is just what other codes are wanting the NRL to do. So are some on this site!
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What are the requirements for 9 teams? It seems a very arbitrary number. London doesn’t have 9 EPL teams with a much larger population.
 
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