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Rationalisation of Sydney

Stallion

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You should have moved on to football sooner. Clearly you had a few too many head knocks playing contact sports.

Lol. What's your excuse! ? It's certainly would be a good one as you have shown jackshit common sense and feel for the code of rugby league! Just a casual observation. That's all. :relaxed:
 

Mr Pmatta

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It wasnt built for Parra and if we moved to say Perth then other western sydney clubs would use it more successfully.

I understand it wasn’t built just for Parra, but we have made it our house so to speak and your crapping on above if we moved to Perth others would use it? No offence but you sound very stupid to me and somewhat confused!
 

The Great Dane

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@flippikat is right. Demotion from NRL to NSW Cup isn't the end of the world as Newtown have demonstrated.

Relegation to a lower tier is the way to go in my opinion.

Mergers are a shit show of infighting and instability, and relocations are expensive, risky, take decades to establish themselves in the new market, and don't work the way that people think they work, so unless people are okay with relocating clubs in the same style as the best relocations in America are achieved (which most wouldn't be), then really relocations are an expensive waste of time and money that'll probably create as many problems as they solve.

Relegation on the other hand has the least impact on fans and the club it's self, the club doesn't have to leave town and can still play out of their home ground and use their current facilities, their current fans are more of less unaffected by the change, the club doesn't need to engage a new market, and apart from big ticket sponsors and donors the clubs sponsors and corporates are more or less unaffected, etc, etc.
The only significant difference is that they'll be playing in a different competition against different clubs and their salary cap will be lower.

Now the problem with relegation in the NRL is that no suitable competition exists for them to be dropped down into, so if I was going to rationalise the competition what I would do is spend a decade or so before hand building a new national second tier competition, sell it as a product independant of the NRL, get all it's games broadcast somewhere, introduce some sort of duel registration system, etc. . . Then once being moved from one competition to the other is more or less a seamless transition where the clubs aren't going to have a major loss of exposure and the such, I'd start relegating the excess clubs from Sydney down into the second tier comp (and who knows, maybe one of the clubs in the second tier comp is going so well that we consider promoting it).

It's a win-win for everybody if we go down the relegation route: Taipan and the other fans that's clubs are effected can still support the Sharks or their respective clubs in the same manner as they always have, the NRL not only drops the burden that carrying the excess Sydney clubs was creating, but it gains another product to sell and a place for clubs that are struggling to go if things go south for them.
Not only is the Telstra premiership freed up to spread it's wings, but the we've created a second tier comp that has reasonable national exposure and is cheaper to operate in which creates better opportunities for expansion in smaller and emerging markets through the new second tier comp.
More opportunities are created for players to become professionals and their isn't a giant drop off in exposure for players that can't or aren't up to NRL standard.
 

Stallion

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Relegation to a lower tier is the way to go in my opinion.

Mergers are a shit show of infighting and instability, and relocations are expensive, risky, take decades to establish themselves in the new market, and don't work the way that people think they work, so unless people are okay with relocating clubs in the same style as the best relocations in America are achieved (which most wouldn't be), then really relocations are an expensive waste of time and money that'll probably create as many problems as they solve.

Relegation on the other hand has the least impact on fans and the club it's self, the club doesn't have to leave town and can still play out of their home ground and use their current facilities, their current fans are more of less unaffected by the change, the club doesn't need to engage a new market, and apart from big ticket sponsors and donors the clubs sponsors and corporates are more or less unaffected, etc, etc.
The only significant difference is that they'll be playing in a different competition against different clubs and their salary cap will be lower.

Now the problem with relegation in the NRL is that no suitable competition exists for them to be dropped down into, so if I was going to rationalise the competition what I would do is spend a decade or so before hand building a new national second tier competition, sell it as a product independant of the NRL, get all it's games broadcast somewhere, introduce some sort of duel registration system, etc. . . Then once being moved from one competition to the other is more or less a seamless transition where the clubs aren't going to have a major loss of exposure and the such, I'd start relegating the excess clubs from Sydney down into the second tier comp (and who knows, maybe one of the clubs in the second tier comp is going so well that we consider promoting it).

It's a win-win for everybody if we go down the relegation route: Taipan and the other fans that's clubs are effected can still support the Sharks or their respective clubs in the same manner as they always have, the NRL not only drops the burden that carrying the excess Sydney clubs was creating, but it gains another product to sell and a place for clubs that are struggling to go if things go south for them.
Not only is the Telstra premiership freed up to spread it's wings, but the we've created a second tier comp that has reasonable national exposure and is cheaper to operate in which creates better opportunities for expansion in smaller and emerging markets through the new second tier comp.
More opportunities are created for players to become professionals and their isn't a giant drop off in exposure for players that can't or aren't up to NRL standard.

Lol! " There current fans are more or less unaffected..".! My god what a load of presumptive crap! You whiteant people are truelly disrespectful and delusional. To rid the NRL :the most popular rugby-league competition in the world, of established and widely supported clubs is shear lunacy! But I've seen this mode of thought (or lack of) endlessly within the ignoramus element within this site. Amazing stuff and you continue to whiteant existing strengths of this vulnerable and at the same time great football code and competition. My word I've seen some reckless stuff on this site but the shear ignorance and apathy toward the fanbase is mindboggling!
 

Perth Red

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Everyone recognises Sydney needs rationalising but no-one knows the best way to do it, so we will carry on with business as usual. There are good reasons RL remains a tiny sport a hundred years after its inception and it isn’t to do with the quality of the game on the field.
 

taipan

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@flippikat is right. Demotion from NRL to NSW Cup isn't the end of the world as Newtown have demonstrated.

The big difference is Newtown is now a new demographic of latte . sippers, trendsetters ,and many of the young families have moved out to the suburbs where NRL League teams are situated.That's why John Singleton wanted to move the Jets out to Campbelltown.

Newtown in terms of rl interest is confined to little publicity, and little care from the public.And it operates on an oval ground with SFA cover.

I'd love to see the Jets come back into the NRL.eg The Ipswich Jets.But that's just nostalgia ,and I guess it will never happen.
 

Stallion

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Everyone recognises Sydney needs rationalising but no-one knows the best way to do it, so we will carry on with business as usual. There are good reasons RL remains a tiny sport a hundred years after its inception and it isn’t to do with the quality of the game on the field.

Nope. Sydney and surrounding regions need consolidation! The code is being whiteanted. It's very clear and mathematics in population numbers plus historical significance / generational demand their future in the top flight.
 

taipan

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Everyone recognises Sydney needs rationalising but no-one knows the best way to do it, so we will carry on with business as usual. There are good reasons RL remains a tiny sport a hundred years after its inception and it isn’t to do with the quality of the game on the field.


Not everyone.It's not tiny in this country, but in fact shrinking in the UK .
 

flippikat

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Everyone recognises Sydney needs rationalising but no-one knows the best way to do it, so we will carry on with business as usual. There are good reasons RL remains a tiny sport a hundred years after its inception and it isn’t to do with the quality of the game on the field.

Everyone except for the rusted-on old-school suburban footy diehards.

There's no other top-tier sporting competitions that have such a concentration of teams in one city.. NRL and AFL (to a lesser degree) are exceptions to the norm.
 

taipan

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Everyone except for the rusted-on old-school suburban footy diehards.

There's no other top-tier sporting competitions that have such a concentration of teams in one city.. NRL and AFL (to a lesser degree) are exceptions to the norm.

Rusted on fans true ,but that includes young and old, not just rusted on ones.
Anycase when we compare ourselves with the USA (300plus miilion) ,UK 70m,France 60+ mill,Germany ditto,of course having limited team numbers in cities is a goer.We are spread over an area the size of the U.S.Our population 25m less than California.
 

Stallion

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Everyone except for the rusted-on old-school suburban footy diehards.

There's no other top-tier sporting competitions that have such a concentration of teams in one city.. NRL and AFL (to a lesser degree) are exceptions to the norm.

The supporters of 'rationalisation' as its being referred to (in reality whiteanting )are still not taking into account important and necessary factors like population density, population numbers, locality distances, generational rivalries and widespread familiarity of existing clubs. These things are put through to the keeper as they unwittingly tow the News ltd agenda which is aimed to minimise/constrain rugby league in the long term.All keeping happy the union affiliated friends in powerful positions on the world sports scene as they want it. That's the bottom line and motivation. But we have people whom can't count or respect established clubs with established supporter bases everywhere around Australia and NZ etc.
 

T-Boon

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The supporters of 'rationalisation' as its being referred to (in reality whiteanting )are still not taking into account important and necessary factors like population density, population numbers, locality distances, generational rivalries and widespread familiarity of existing clubs.

If you cleverly relocate Sydney clubs the widespread familiarity of those clubs is retained and actually enhanced.
You should think about how successful expansion in the NRL has been:Newcastle, Brisbane, NQ, Perth Reds and Melbourne have all been either very succesful or fairly successful.
There should be teams in Wollongong, Gosford, Perth and another team in Brisbane.
Relocating these established TV teams from Sydney is the best way to do it (with the exception of Brisbane relocation to there would not work unless it was the Titans).
 

Stallion

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If you cleverly relocate Sydney clubs the widespread familiarity of those clubs is retained and actually enhanced.
You should think about how successful expansion in the NRL has been:Newcastle, Brisbane, NQ, Perth Reds and Melbourne have all been either very succesful or fairly successful.
There should be teams in Wollongong, Gosford, Perth and another team in Brisbane.
Relocating these established TV teams from Sydney is the best way to do it (with the exception of Brisbane relocation to there would not work unless it was the Titans).

Newcastle and the like we're not relocations. Whiteanting Australia's biggest rugby league city is not good business or sporting development.
 

Pommy

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Nope. Sydney and surrounding regions need consolidation! The code is being whiteanted. It's very clear and mathematics in population numbers plus historical significance / generational demand their future in the top flight.

It’s very clear and mathematics?
Ignoring the awful England give us some examples of this clear maths.
 

flippikat

First Grade
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Wollongong gets a good crowd when the Dragons play there which is a relocation.

Partial relocation. They still play a fair amount of home games in Sydney.

The St George-Illawarra Dragons merger needed to be more like the Brisbane Lions in AFL - Traditional suburban club, merges with out-of-town expansion team, moving full-time to the expansion market, but keeping the branding of the traditional club.

It could work far better then the Lions too, because Illawarra and St George have a history & shared colours that Brisbane & Fitzroy don't.

It was the easiest slam-dunk of whole peace settlement, yet our game's administrators STILL found a way to screw it up!
 

titoelcolombiano

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Lol. Do you honestly think it's general knowledge that the Newtown Jets exist in the eyes of the mainstream public?

It is your whole line of reasoning as to why RL is under attack from RU, because of 9 - 10k crowds at suburban grounds for Shute Shield.

They seem to be doing a good job of attracting local fans and local media attention from the second teir.

The Bears were unfairly axed and deserve life in the form of a top flight club namely the Central Coast Bears. That's a win /win top flight ready to make money and consolidate the code in Australia's largest populated area. This amidst forced mergers and axing of popular Sydney clubs that were completely wrong as a superleague outcome!

Why are the bears the best option for the Central Coast if they are not currently committed to the area through their NSW Cup team?

Why have they not made an effort as Newtown have to increase their exposure in the second teir?

Why would putting the bears on the Central Coast cure the supposed ills for the game in Northern Sydney?
 

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