Rationalisation of Sydney

Discussion in 'NRL Expansion' started by titoelcolombiano, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. titoelcolombiano

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    Or simply, he has just pointed to the evidence that clubs can be a success in the second teir with good crowds and TV coverage as Newtown and some Shute Shield clubs have shown.
     
  2. titoelcolombiano

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    So it's a bit rich for you to be accusing every other poster here of being a Union stooge when you are the one that actually played the game.
     
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    Spot on!
     
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    I see your point but they still are attracting people to their games. Each second teir suburban team could take a similar approach using whatever attracts their demographics to games. It offers a different RL experience to what the NRL can offer and also is an appropriate level and use for some suburban grounds.
     
  5. Stallion

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    It's a merge between St George and ILLAWARRA.
     
  6. Stallion

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    Lol. Think the NRL has a bit more legitimacy and widespread support along with significance then the lower tier competitions you have mentioned. Demoting popular existing clubs doesn't bode well for fan bases that exist all over Australia etc.
     
  7. T-Boon

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    It was more of a take over by the Dragons.
    They should gradually take more and more games to the gong and change the name to WStG Dragons with full traditional Dragons outfit. 1 or 2 games at Kogarah per year.
     
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    That they are, but it's not what you would call deep seated rl fans, more a picnic ,social outing situation.And the crowd reflects it.Newtown was in a completely different situation to any of the current Sydney clubs.The closest to it would be the Roosters .And who is going to relocate them?

    Any current Sydney NRL club that went 2nd tier, would lose a hell of a lot of support.The crowds from memory that used to follow Qld cup in the past, pre Broncos were far far larger, than now.
    Plus even now Queenslanders also give more support to lower tiers than Sydney does.

    The biggest issue with crowds in Sydney are threefold, timeslots/stadiiums/transport to and from.

    You could have 6 teams in Sydney now and the crowds at times would be rubbish, based on those factors.
    Even Andrew Johns admitted whilst he supports rationalisation, he cannot fathom how it could be done.The NRL are aware of the angst that will follow, particularly in their major market.
     
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  9. Stallion

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    Lol. How dumb? It actually strengthens my pro rugby league comments! I've seen and witnessed the ugly game of union. Others have not. And the worse ones are the ones that haven't played rugby league! Most of them have no idea of how inclusive the code of rugby league is!
     
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    Nope. St George is synonymous with the Dragons!
     
  11. T-Boon

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    Yeah but thats okay because St George isnt even a place as far as I know. Wollongong St George Dragons.
     
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  12. titoelcolombiano

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    You played the game mate - so don't go around accusing others' of being a union stooge. Grow up.
     
  13. titoelcolombiano

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    So why are you constantly pushing the agenda that the Shute Shield is a threat to RL?
     
  14. adamkungl

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    IF (big IF) the NRL ever enforced a criteria to cut Sydney teams, the 2 losers are dead obvious and it isn't even a close call.

    Elite:
    Souths
    Easts
    Parramatta

    Mostly Safe:
    Penrith
    Canterbury
    Wests
    St George-Illawarra

    In danger:
    Manly
    Cronulla
     
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    Id have to question if regional cities like Wollongong and Gosford can generate enough corporate interest to fund a club in this day and age? Most clubs are generating around $6-10mill in corporate revenue. Even a regional club like Newcastle struggled without pokie den top ups.
     
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    Hard to argue. If you dropped one of the mostly safe clubs (and that would be a hard choice) and the bottom two and created a new Northern Sydney club it would pretty much sort Sydney landscape out and create two new expansion spots.
     
  17. adamkungl

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    Do you think there's less value in a regional city than an outer suburb of Sydney?
    Regional cities have their own cultural identity and pride, and a lot more room for growth over the next few decades than suburban Sydney.
     
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    They won't support their teams unless the conditions are absolutely perfect.
    They need the team to be based in their suburb, the team needs to be playing out of a broken down shithole of a stadium, tickets need to be dirt cheap to the point that clubs struggles to make a profit on home games, they have to play in the premier competition even if they don't warrant it, etc, etc.

    So what exactly is "rusted-on" about them when all it takes is one minor change and they are all jumping ship?
     
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  19. flippikat

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    Although I think you're on the right track there, it's a little more nuanced than 3 categories.

    For instance, Cronulla have complete control over upgrading their own ground, so it's just a matter of raising the funds & getting building consent. Manly would probably love to have that sort of control over their ground.

    Then in the middle group, the Bulldogs & Panthers, enjoy the stability of having ONE Sydney home ground (the novelty of "back to Belmore" notwithstanding) - something that the Tigers and Dragons don't have, which is important in build a consistent home game fanbase.

    Maybe what we need to do is look at each club in turn & detail
    * Pros
    * Cons
    * Action that the club has taken to grow it's KPIs (juniors, membership, attendance, fan base, profit)
    * Best strategy for the future (Merger? Relocation? Moving some/all home games in Sydney? Stadium redevelopment? Changing the junior catchment area? Stuff like that..)
     
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    Yep, and that community of fans is somehow surprised when other NRL fans in Brisbane, Perth, Wellington or Adelaide express their frustration (bordering on resentment) at the competition having all these clubs in Sydney while they have a small fraction of the games just because "it's tradition, you can't change THAT!"
     

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