Rationalisation of Sydney

[The Great Dane]

Btw. Think the Brumbies made the finals this year and their crowds were crap.

Making the finals from the Australian conference, or for that matter the South African conference, isn't an achievement to crow about 99% of the time.

It's like being at the top of the also ran conference in a world cup, realistically if you were in any other conference you wouldn't have come close to making the finals.

So yeah making the finals isn't a good yard stick to measure success by in Super Rugby.

I've met other people from Canberra and they say at best union was near rugby league at it's highest point. At worst nowhere near it despite assumed white collar support

Those "people from Canberra" suffer severely from the delusions of wishful thinking.

 

[Stallion]

Making the finals from the Australian conference, or for that matter the South African conference, isn't an achievement to crow about 99% of the time.

It's like being at the top of the also ran conference in a world cup, realistically if you were in any other conference you wouldn't have come close to making the finals.

So yeah making the finals isn't a good yard stick to measure success by in Super Rugby.

Those "people from Canberra" suffer severely from the delusions of wishful thinking.

Granted it's a crap competition and sport. But the type of sport does matter. Union is propagated by establishment friends and people within those institutions (private schools etc) The fans, like in Sydney in 1908 onwards, decided their choice of footy - rugby league! In Canberra and surrounds it's clearly rugby league! So back in your hole rah rah boy!

 

[The Great Dane]

In Canberra and surrounds it's clearly rugby league!

Uh-huh, because you're an authority on Canberra. . .

 

[hutch]

I’m for expansion but more teams in Sydney is not expansion.

Nobody with half a brain wants more teams in Sydney. Player depth is not holding us back from expanding.

 

[Pommy]

Nobody with half a brain wants more teams in Sydney. Player depth is not holding us back from expanding.

That depends on how big the expansion is.
18 teams I think would be fine but 20 was being discussed here and I’m not convinced the talent wouldn’t be too thinly spread at that.
Im also not convinced we need more teams when tv rights may drop soon and we have a situation in Sydney that isn’t working.

 

[Stallion]

That depends on how big the expansion is.
18 teams I think would be fine but 20 was being discussed here and I’m not convinced the talent wouldn’t be too thinly spread at that.
Im also not convinced we need more teams when tv rights may drop soon and we have a situation in Sydney that isn’t working.

Lol. How many untruths do you want to get away with?! The clubs in Sydney are more than just clubs in Sydney ! They are supported and talked about outside of Sydney big time! You cant work this out. The historical and generational relevance is way beyond your understanding. Your disrespect is consistent and shows your lack of regard for rugby league. If it isn't the case then you are extremely dumb. I believe you don't like rugby league and are doing your bit to undermine proactive discourse. That's my hunch.

 

[Pommy]

Lol. How many untruths do you want to get away with?! The clubs in Sydney are more than just clubs in Sydney ! They are supported and talked about outside of Sydney big time! You cant work this out. The historical and generational relevance is way beyond your understanding. Your disrespect is consistent and shows your lack of regard for rugby league. If it isn't theven case then you are extremely dumb. I believe you don't like rugby league and are doing your bit to undermine proactive discourse. That's my hunch.

Why would people outside Sydney care if a team they didn’t live near moved somewhere else? This season I haven’t managed to get to one game, why would it really matter if my team moved to Perth? The same situation applies to about 95% of the Sydney population.
The only person undermining discourse here is yourself, if it’s not to your liking you just derail the thread.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

By diluting the top flight clubs in Sydney gives other codes an invitation to gain disaffected rugby league fans and more relevance in other codes competitions as witnessed with what is happening in northern Sydney with the Shute Shield crowds. It's happening and some still can't / won't work it out!

Let's take a look at your logic here:

Your claim is that Shute Shield (third teir RU) is a threat to RL in Sydney because a couple of clubs are getting ok crowds sporadically throughout the year.

You also claim that Newtown (who are doing something very similar to those couple of Shute Shield clubs and getting very similar crowds in the second teir of RL) aren't getting any serious media or fan attention and that it is not having a serious impact.

C'mon mate, be consistent. Either it is or it isn't possible to make an impact outside of top teir sport. Pick one - you can't have it both ways.

BTW you still haven't explained why the Bears can't replicate what is happening in the Shute Shield and at Newtown to help the game of RL in Northern Sydney.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. Did you play!?

No, I haven't played Union because I'm not interested in the sport.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What’s the general consensus on here about the maximum number of teams competing in the NRL competition? 18? 20?

My thoughts are 18 because the sport with the highest revenue in the country (AFL) haven't been able to go beyond that. RL is the only one to venture past that point in the 90's but it clearly wasn't sustainable.

 

[Perth Red]

Why would people outside Sydney care if a team they didn’t live near moved somewhere else? This season I haven’t managed to get to one game, why would it really matter if my team moved to Perth? The same situation applies to about 95% of the Sydney population.
The only person undermining discourse here is yourself, if it’s not to your liking you just derail the thread.

Some sobering facts about the reach Sydney clubs have in their home city
Only about 10% of the Sydney population watch an NRL game on TV
Less than 2% attend games.
As you said most fans dont go to games so would it matter if the club was somewhere else?

 

[Stallion]

Let's take a look at your logic here:

Your claim is that Shute Shield (third teir RU) is a threat to RL in Sydney because a couple of clubs are getting ok crowds sporadically throughout the year.

You also claim that Newtown (who are doing something very similar to those couple of Shute Shield clubs and getting very similar crowds in the second teir of RL) aren't getting any serious media or fan attention and that it is not having a serious impact.

C'mon mate, be consistent. Either it is or it isn't possible to make an impact outside of top teir sport. Pick one - you can't have it both ways.

BTW you still haven't explained why the Bears can't replicate what is happening in the Shute Shield and at Newtown to help the game of RL in Northern Sydney.

I'm stating that 10000 odd at a union game should be at least 10000 at a rugby league game. Giving other sports a free kick isn't smart but you can't won't work this out! It's been stated before. Relevance of the code is more than token games. Local and historically recognised clubs like the Bears are an absolute asset. They bring more fans to the top flight than you assert. Your lack of knowledge and feel for the rugby league and what makes it tick is showing again!

 

[Stallion]

No one wants to get rid of them, they just want the smaller ones perform better (crowds, memberships, governance) and if they can't then to not take up limited space in the NRL.

Replacing a poor performing Sydney club with an expansion club has its benefit too - If we look at Norths, their 10 - 13k fans have easily now been replaced by Melbourne's 17 - 18k and the Storm also have much higher TV ratings than the bears could have ever hoped for. The Storm have also opened up a completely new market for the game and given us much more of a national footprint. So there is certainly a lot of upside for the game as a whole.

Like the South Sydney mistake! And now the North Sydney mistake which is giving other codes more relevance in the abandoned area ! Gee wiz. It's happening and the whiteanting chatter still keeps going on! Amazingly negative and ignorant.

 

[taipan]

Some sobering facts about the reach Sydney clubs have in their home city
Only about 10% of the Sydney population watch an NRL game on TV
Less than 2% attend games.
As you said most fans dont go to games so would it matter if the club was somewhere else?

Well I guess if you remove one or two, the Sydney Tv audiences and attendances will drop even further, making Tv deals perhaps even less inviting in the biggest commercial market.
Conversely.
With a 25,000 average minimum, only 1.25% attend Broncos games out of 2million.
30,000 average 1.5%.This in a city where rl is king.So where are most of the fans?
And on the GC population 600,000,with say a GC Tit's average 12.000 attendance 2%.
Sobering thought also ,both with excellent stadiums.
IOW it is easy to argue negatives when one delves deeper.

 

[Stallion]

Well I guess if you remove one or two, the Sydney Tv audiences and attendances will drop even further, making Tv deals perhaps even less inviting in the biggest commercial market.
Conversely.
With a 25,000 average minimum, only 1.25% attend Broncos games out of 2million.
30,000 average 1.5%.This in a city where rl is king.So where are most of the fans?
And on the GC population 600,000,with say a GC Tit's average 12.000 attendance 2%.
Sobering thought also ,both with excellent stadiums.
IOW it is easy to argue negatives when one delves deeper.

Spot on Taipan. Glad someone else is using basic mathematics to show the folly of the "whiteant" agenda.

 

[flippikat]

Why would people outside Sydney care if a team they didn’t live near moved somewhere else? This season I haven’t managed to get to one game, why would it really matter if my team moved to Perth? The same situation applies to about 95% of the Sydney population.
The only person undermining discourse here is yourself, if it’s not to your liking you just derail the thread.

Good point. There are plenty of kiwi fans of Sydney clubs here in New Zealand - mostly people who decided their loyalty in the early 1990s (before the Warriors ever kicked a ball) when the NSWRL was hot stuff on free-to-air TV here. They picked a team, and stayed with them even when a NZ-based team joined the competition.

That ties back to your point - if you ask those fans WHY they chose those teams to support, it's more likely to brand-related than any connection to the suburb they come from.

Things like the team colours, the mascot and the players that star in the squad. For instance, Manly is especially popular here partly due to the high Kiwi contingent in the early 1990s when people were finding a team to support - including their then-coach Graeme Lowe.

Now, if some of those teams were moved - Say, Manly to the Central Coast or Brisbane - their fans here would most likely still support them, because they support the BRAND - not the suburb per se.

 

[Stallion]

Good point. There are plenty of kiwi fans of Sydney clubs here in New Zealand - mostly people who decided their loyalty in the early 1990s (before the Warriors ever kicked a ball) when the NSWRL was hot stuff on free-to-air TV here. They picked a team, and stayed with them even when a NZ-based team joined the competition.

That ties back to your point - if you ask those fans WHY they chose those teams to support, it's more likely to brand-related than any connection to the suburb they come from.

Things like the team colours, the mascot and the players that star in the squad. For instance, Manly is especially popular here partly due to the high Kiwi contingent in the early 1990s when people were finding a team to support - including their then-coach Graeme Lowe.

Now, if some of those teams were moved - Say, Manly to the Central Coast or Brisbane - their fans here would most likely still support them, because they support the BRAND - not the suburb per se.

Fans have an affinity with the origins of a club. They respect it. The most competitive rugby competition in the world should be respected and admired. Plus the mathematics behind this relocation chatter is flawed! The population number is well and truelly supportive of at least 9 , maybe ten top flight clubs from the Illawarra through greater Sydney to the Central Coast . The infrastructure is there and the locality rivalry advantages are their to be capitalized on if marketing do their job.

 

[Stallion]

No, I haven't played Union because I'm not interested in the sport.

I meant Rugby league !?

 

[Pommy]

Fans have an affinity with the origins of a club. They respect it. The most competitive rugby competition in the world should be respected and admired. Plus the mathematics behind this relocation chatter is flawed! The population number is well and truelly supportive of at least 9 , maybe ten top flight clubs from the Illawarra through greater Sydney to the Central Coast . The infrastructure is there and the locality rivalry advantages are their to be capitalized on if marketing do their job.

What fans? I started supporting Souths before I moved to Australia. I now live in in south west Sydney what affinity do I have with Redfern or its surrounding areas? I will tell you f**king zero I picked the team because there were 4 poms in the side. Had it been today I would probably have picked Canberra.
What maths? you have failed to provide any maths to support why the area can support 10 teams.

 

[Stallion]

Nobody with half a brain wants more teams in Sydney. Player depth is not holding us back from expanding.

People with full brains want a consolidation /expansion solution club in the form of the Central Coast Bears. It regains lost Bears fans and gains the Central Coast. But that's seems to be too much money making sense for some! Other consolidation expansion clubs should be in Brisbane. Then later on West Coast Pirates and another expansion area out of NZ or South Australia.