Rationalisation of Sydney

[VictoryFC]

At 3.00am?

Huh?

We've had live FTA games for a while now. Thu night/Fri night/Sunday afternoon (and now also Sat night in last five rounds).

It's possible I'm completely missing something here. But I can turn on GEM at the same time as Sydneysiders turn on 9 and watch the same games in HD.

 

[greenBV4]

At 3.00am?

I think your a few years out of date with this one

Melbourne (and the rest of Victoria) gets the same games as everywhere else at the same time, just on GEM and not in HD, and theres issues with them cutting the broadcast straight after the final siren, but its not as bad as your making it out

 

[TheFrog]

Let's go to 20 teams - I'd add West Coast Pirates, Brisbane 2 (call for Brisbane based bids, select the best business case), NZ 2 (As with Brisbane, call for bids, select the best), and Adelaide (Hey, this IS supposed to be a National Rugby League, yeah?)

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[taipan]

What do you mean by this? We get the same FTA games as everyone.

In Melbourne live on Melbourne ch9 main HD channel? I'm not commenting on Nth State exposure on FTA, that's a given.
The Ducks in Sydney get it on main HD channel on occasions .
And how much media space or mention on TV or radio news?

 

[VictoryFC]

In Melbourne live on Melbourne ch9 main HD channel? I'm not commenting on Nth State exposure on FTA, that's a given.
The Ducks in Sydney get it on main HD channel on occasions .
And how much media space or mention on TV or radio news?

Dont watch the news or tv or listen to radio, so wouldnt know, but we can watch every game as you lot at the same time. Granted, you could argue that exposure is lessened by being on GEM, but if people want to watch they can find it easily enough.

 

[adamkungl]

I think your a few years out of date with this one

I'm shocked that someone who only wants to watch park sides in Sydney is 'a few years out of date'

 

[T-Boon]

What the NRL should do is get rid of reserve grade. NRL clubs should just be first grade. Each club should be allowed a roster of 26 players and can replace injured players on the roster. Reserve grade is a waste of talent for everything except the NRL clubs own self purpose.The NSW and QLD cup should be meaningful competitions made up of teams that are completely independent of the NRL teams. NSW & Qld cup should be in competition with the NRL.

 

[johnny plath]

What the NRL should do is get rid of reserve grade. NRL clubs should just be first grade. Each club should be allowed a roster of 26 players and can replace injured players on the roster. Reserve grade is a waste of talent for everything except the NRL clubs own self purpose.The NSW and QLD cup should be meaningful competitions made up of teams that are completely independent of the NRL teams. NSW & Qld cup should be in competition with the NRL.

So if the NRL club has 26 players, what do the nine not playing each week do??? Maybe they could be in a comp called NRL seconds??

 

[MugaB]

Those 3 little catchments in the city's south of red=dragons, green=bunnies and dark blue=roosters, could be better spent in Wollongong permanently, Brisbane2 relocated, and Adelaide relocated respectively, this is what i was speaking about having that cluster of stadiums/clubs and catchments in such a small area of "inner city" sydney
And tigers in Campbelltown based

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Absolutely dissagree! The longer the rivalry the greater it's respect, cultural impact and relevance. Plus it's validity is far greater than newer rivalries . It's important . And their are plenty of people still very much aware of the Bears and North Sydney. I see it basically every day if the Bears comes into a discussion . The Bears fans are absolutely out there and it shear folly to underestimate this latent but very real support. It's very real and its not going away like some seem to hope!

Crowds for Broncos v Cowboys, Broncos v Storm & Storm v Warriors don't back you up on this point. Which Sydney rivalries consistently pull the crowds that these rivalries get?

 

[Stallion]

What the NRL should do is get rid of reserve grade. NRL clubs should just be first grade. Each club should be allowed a roster of 26 players and can replace injured players on the roster. Reserve grade is a waste of talent for everything except the NRL clubs own self purpose.The NSW and QLD cup should be meaningful competitions made up of teams that are completely independent of the NRL teams. NSW & Qld cup should be in competition with the NRL.

Might help to put a women's team on same ground as the men's into the future?

 

[Stallion]

Crowds for Broncos v Cowboys, Broncos v Storm & Storm v Warriors don't back you up on this point. Which Sydney rivalries consistently pull the crowds that these rivalries get?

It's more than just crowds we should be discussing . It's community relevance and various other forms of support like merchandising, viewership, general familiarity of well known clubs. .....etc. Btw. The Brisbane crowds are noticeably dropping compared to previous seasons.!

 

[greenBV4]

merchandising, viewership, general familiarity of well known clubs

Id say the expansions clubs, namely brisbane and melbourne and probably warriors, beat out the sydney clubs in most of these as well, Storm are up there with crowds and memberships, are aiming for 50k members in the next 10 or 15 years, Brisbane as we all know are easily on top of both of those, Storm are the most viewed on fox, and have the largest social media following in the NRL and second most of all australia sports clubs (or so they claim, ive posted the article on other threads before)

 

[MrE_Assassin]

Those 3 little catchments in the city's south of red=dragons, green=bunnies and dark blue=roosters, could be better spent in Wollongong permanently, Brisbane2 relocated, and Adelaide relocated respectively, this is what i was speaking about having that cluster of stadiums/clubs and catchments in such a small area of "inner city" sydney
And tigers in Campbelltown based
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You know that plucking a random, fan-made picture off reddit is not conclusive evidence, right?

For starters, North Sydney still maintain their own District Rugby League competition as part of the NSWRL. So to say that Manly has the catchment from North Harbour all the way to Central Coast is folly. Secondly, it's only in recent years that the Western Suburbs district has been associated with the Wests Tigers brand (Now under Wests Tigers - MacArthur district). Before that it was still a seperate entity feeding into the Western Suburbs Magpies outfit in Reserve Grade. WSM also have development teams right through the grades seperate to the Tigers. Thirdly, the Roosters, prior to aligning with the Bears as a feeder team, were backed by Wyong which feeds from the CRL on the Central Coast. The Roosters also have 2 teams (Sydney Roosters, Central Coast Roosters) in the Harold Matthews and SG Ball competitions where they develop players, as well as NS having their own team there.

Catchment and representation are 2 very different things. Every club brings players into their junior development systems from outside the catchment area at a very young age to develop them into the players they want for their club.... because they see potential in them.

If anything, South Sydney has one of the smallest catchments in Sydney.... but guess what, they get players from outside too. They also source from the QRL/BRL as well. Any kid who dreams of an NRL career isn't going to knock back a career opportunity just because the club that comes knocking isn't representing their local area. It's an opportunity to develop and have the career that they want.

 

[Perth Red]

In Melbourne live on Melbourne ch9 main HD channel? I'm not commenting on Nth State exposure on FTA, that's a given.
The Ducks in Sydney get it on main HD channel on occasions .
And how much media space or mention on TV or radio news?

Its been interesting to see the rise in NRL coverage in the West Australian since the Origin game. We've gone from usually nothing to a min half page and often a fullpage of NRL news.

Its well known AFL made sure it got media coverage in its expansion areas through tricks of the trade like paid advertising in return for "news" coverage. Its a real shame that despite spending tens of millions on its media Dept the NRL seems incapable of achieving the same.

 

[Perth Red]

You know that plucking a random, fan-made picture off reddit is not conclusive evidence, right?

For starters, North Sydney still maintain their own District Rugby League competition as part of the NSWRL. So to say that Manly has the catchment from North Harbour all the way to Central Coast is folly. Secondly, it's only in recent years that the Western Suburbs district has been associated with the Wests Tigers brand (Now under Wests Tigers - MacArthur district). Before that it was still a seperate entity feeding into the Western Suburbs Magpies outfit in Reserve Grade. WSM also have development teams right through the grades seperate to the Tigers. Thirdly, the Roosters, prior to aligning with the Bears as a feeder team, were backed by Wyong which feeds from the CRL on the Central Coast. The Roosters also have 2 teams (Sydney Roosters, Central Coast Roosters) in the Harold Matthews and SG Ball competitions where they develop players, as well as NS having their own team there.

Catchment and representation are 2 very different things. Every club brings players into their junior development systems from outside the catchment area at a very young age to develop them into the players they want for their club.... because they see potential in them.

If anything, South Sydney has one of the smallest catchments in Sydney.... but guess what, they get players from outside too. They also source from the QRL/BRL as well. Any kid who dreams of an NRL career isn't going to knock back a career opportunity just because the club that comes knocking isn't representing their local area. It's an opportunity to develop and have the career that they want.

I think he was talking about fan attachment by region rather than Jnr development?
NRL clubs should have nothing to do with Jnr development other than sending along players to training and registration sessions to excite the kids IMO
It should be well funded grassroots programs and elite Jnr programs though a combination of state body funding and LC's where applicable. NRL should be subsidising regos and kit, they've done a good job with having start up and other grants available to Jnr clubs. Speaking for WA we desperately need more DO's and funding to grow our schools program. Jnr RL is really growing and whenever we get a DO for a new area we are seeing Jnr clubs popping up and participation increasing.

it's been mentioned how proactive AFL is in reaching kids in Sydney, NRL needs to get much much better. NS should have had a major Jnr development strategy in place to balance out the loss of the Bears and then we wouldnt have seen the attrition in the area we have. If we cut other Sydney clubs it will be imperative that their is a kids engagement strategy to counter balance the loss of the club.

 

[Stallion]

Id say the expansions clubs, namely brisbane and melbourne and probably warriors, beat out the sydney clubs in most of these as well, Storm are up there with crowds and memberships, are aiming for 50k members in the next 10 or 15 years, Brisbane as we all know are easily on top of both of those, Storm are the most viewed on fox, and have the largest social media following in the NRL and second most of all australia sports clubs (or so they claim, ive posted the article on other threads before)

The Storm on FOX is a very different angle compared to FTA tv. You will find the merchandising of most Sydney clubs rivals any of the clubs you mentioned when they are in the mix for a premiership. That's what you stand to lose when you rid such clubs from this envied competition.

 

[Perth Red]

Some ideas of merch sales by clubs that produce annual accounts 2018
Bulldogs
Merchandise $1million

Sharks
Merchandise $1.6million

Eels
Merchandise $700,000

Panthers
Merchandise $1.4million


Broncos
Merchandise $2.7million

We are still minnows though compared to AFL. WC Eagles last year had a merchandise revenue of $4.9million (all be it in a premiership winning year)

 

[mongoose]

Those 3 little catchments in the city's south of red=dragons, green=bunnies and dark blue=roosters, could be better spent in Wollongong permanently, Brisbane2 relocated, and Adelaide relocated respectively, this is what i was speaking about having that cluster of stadiums/clubs and catchments in such a small area of "inner city" sydney
And tigers in Campbelltown based

Does it really matter what their catchment is?, they are Sydney clubs and should be appealing to people all over sydney, not just in their catchment zone. The Sydney clubs that can play out of centralized stadiums will be the ones the NRL won't want to move I would think.

 

[taipan]

Its been interesting to see the rise in NRL coverage in the West Australian since the Origin game. We've gone from usually nothing to a min half page and often a fullpage of NRL news.

Its well known AFL made sure it got media coverage in its expansion areas through tricks of the trade like paid advertising in return for "news" coverage. Its a real shame that despite spending tens of millions on its media Dept the NRL seems incapable of achieving the same.

I have to agree, the impression I get is Perth is a more cosmopolitan city toward other sports than Melbourne media print and electronic.
Despite the fact you and I have the usual donnybrook re rationalisation,I've always believed a team in Perth is essential.

No question the contras with AFL helps them spread their "dirty" word in the Nthn states.In fact back in the court case Optus v News Ltd.it prior SL ,it was stated then that an arrangement between the AFL and News for favourable coverage in the North ,was not openly stated.
And TBH the extra loot the AFL got from the last TV deal ,sticks out with all the promos over the last couple of years.