Rd25: Parra v Storm GAME DAY THREAD @ Commbank 1/9/22

[Poupou Escobar]

Papali’i gives Grant too much room here. He needs to move up and tackle him.
Matto is fine other then maybe giving Meaney too much inside shoulder (he also needs to be prepared if ball goes out back)
RCG is blocked by Papali’i to do his role. He’s moved across well. His next move (if Papali’i moved up) would be to cover Papali’i’s backside if there was missed tackle.
I don’t know why Gutho is where he is. Massively out of position but was probably the previous tackler.
Paulo needs to push across too to cover RCG if the ball comes back. He’s possibly thrown by Gutho being where he is.

The thing is RCG is a better endurance athlete than Papali’i. Which is one reason Papali’i plays on the edge. The problem was too much ball for Melbourne in that last ten minutes. Repeat defensive efforts are hard, especially for power athletes like Paulo and Papali’i. You take the good with the bad, but for us we need to control the ball. That’s how we close a game out, not by throwing dumb passes or risking penalties in possession.

 

[eels_fan]

2 of their tries were gifted by poor plays by us - Gutho going short with a dropout when we’re winning comfortably - makes absolute zero sense - and a soft penalty given away I’m pretty sure by Niukore when they were only 30m off their own line, followed by a 6-again by Mahoney which wasn’t necessary.

we had the game in the bag and we eased off 10% and that’s all in takes in big games to swing momentum. Big learning curve for everyone and I don’t think it will happen again next week

 

[Pazza]

2 of their tries were gifted by poor plays by us - Gutho going short with a dropout when we’re winning comfortably - makes absolute zero sense -

couldnt agree more, really not playing to the score board

 

[Eelogical]

2 of their tries were gifted by poor plays by us - Gutho going short with a dropout when we’re winning comfortably - makes absolute zero sense - and a soft penalty given away I’m pretty sure by Niukore when they were only 30m off their own line, followed by a 6-again by Mahoney which wasn’t necessary.

we had the game in the bag and we eased off 10% and that’s all in takes in big games to swing momentum. Big learning curve for everyone and I don’t think it will happen again next week

Our recent results both kicking and receiving short dropouts aren't great, either.

 

[King-Gutho94]

2 of their tries were gifted by poor plays by us - Gutho going short with a dropout when we’re winning comfortably - makes absolute zero sense - and a soft penalty given away I’m pretty sure by Niukore when they were only 30m off their own line, followed by a 6-again by Mahoney which wasn’t necessary.

we had the game in the bag and we eased off 10% and that’s all in takes in big games to swing momentum. Big learning curve for everyone and I don’t think it will happen again next week

I think it's a concern though. Look at the Storm game in round 3 and panthers in round 9.

We should have iced those games better and did stupid plays with less then 5 to go then allowed Melbourne and Penrith to go the length of the field to score a try.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

People overestimate the risk in going for the short dropout. The biggest risk is you don't go 10 and give away a penalty, but that doesn't apply when the opposition is chasing a big total. As for territory they're usually back in the twenty on the second or third anyway, and you've saved yourself running out to meet them and have a set defensive line. This is why we are seeing the short dropout more and more.

 

[parra pete]

The Eels left at least FOUR tries out there last night..Marata, Penisini first half - Lane, Brown second half. The way Moses was kicking, another 24 points to the tally makes it a walloping. Never in doubt....People love looking for negatives....The defence of Sivo has improved dramatically - and Gutho has an amazing 'will to win'....He's a bewdy..

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Anyway I fell asleep. Who won?

 

[Eelogical]

The Eels left at least FOUR tries out there last night..Marata, Penisini first half - Lane, Brown second half. The way Moses was kicking, another 24 points to the tally makes it a walloping. Never in doubt....People love looking for negatives....The defence of Sivo has improved dramatically - and Gutho has an amazing 'will to win'....He's a bewdy..

I hope we find those four tries again at Panther Stadium.

 

[Eelementary]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Wasn't Xavier Coates defending opposite Sivo?

And for a guy we all call a slug from time to time, Sivo showed enormous speed to score that cracking try.

I honestly can't remember him ever running that fast.

He's had a really good year - it's crazy to think how well he has played, considering how much footy he missed.

 

[JokerEel]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Wasn't Xavier Coates defending opposite Sivo?

And for a guy we all call a slug from time to time, Sivo showed enormous speed to score that cracking try.

I honestly can't remember him ever running that fast.

He's had a really good year - it's crazy to think how well he has played, considering how much footy he missed.

Dont listen to anyone on these forums when they say a player is slow..

Sivo has been good last few weeks.

 

[84 Baby]

The thing is RCG is a better endurance athlete than Papali’i. Which is one reason Papali’i plays on the edge. The problem was too much ball for Melbourne in that last ten minutes. Repeat defensive efforts are hard, especially for power athletes like Paulo and Papali’i. You take the good with the bad, but for us we need to control the ball. That’s how we close a game out, not by throwing dumb passes or risking penalties in possession.

No excuses!

 

[King-Gutho94]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Wasn't Xavier Coates defending opposite Sivo?

And for a guy we all call a slug from time to time, Sivo showed enormous speed to score that cracking try.

I honestly can't remember him ever running that fast.

He's had a really good year - it's crazy to think how well he has played, considering how much footy he missed.

He has come back with a better attitude.

His ptb speed has improved as well.

There was one occasion last night he was slow to get up but the 1% sivo has definitely improved.

Sivo also hasn't played in our last 3 finals games and got injured 5 mins into game in previous one before those 3 he missed.

So we haven't had him available for a finals series since 2019 basically.

 

[Eelementary]

There's not a more dangerous winger inside the opposition 10m than Maika Sivo.

 

[Bandwagon]

I hope Moses is ok. Looks like he injured his finger again, he was in a lot of pain.

The strapping was coming off, there was a shot of him f**king with it trying to fix it, nek minute it was gone. The delay when he was in backfield with the trainer was it being replaced.

 

[Incorrect]

All during the game it looked like the possession statistic was reversed.

We're you watching via a mirror?

 

[King-Gutho94]

We're you watching via a mirror?

Pou is always on the shitter

 

[84 Baby]

2 of their tries were gifted by poor plays by us - Gutho going short with a dropout when we’re winning comfortably - makes absolute zero sense - and a soft penalty given away I’m pretty sure by Niukore when they were only 30m off their own line, followed by a 6-again by Mahoney which wasn’t necessary.

we had the game in the bag and we eased off 10% and that’s all in takes in big games to swing momentum. Big learning curve for everyone and I don’t think it will happen again next week

The short dropouts are rampant at the moment. I think it’s like 3-pointers in basketball in that the risk actually pays off.
Normal dropout best case scenario - hit it sweet for 60m, team has to run 40+m. Have to defend 1-2 tackles inside 20m and then defend kick.
Normal dropout likely scenario - as above but only hit it 40 & have to defend 3-4 tackles inside 20m.
Short dropout best case - get the ball back. There’s a high chance one of your players can get to the ball first, or at least pressure the opposition into making a mistake.
Short dropout likely scenario - opposition gets ball, have to defend full set inside 20m but half your defensive line is set before kick. Defence has to retreat less each tackle too.

I hated it too when we did it against Wigers but as a tactic it kind of makes sense. The difference in best case is significant, while the difference in likely cases is minimal.

 

[yy_cheng]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Wasn't Xavier Coates defending opposite Sivo?

And for a guy we all call a slug from time to time, Sivo showed enormous speed to score that cracking try.

I honestly can't remember him ever running that fast.

He's had a really good year - it's crazy to think how well he has played, considering how much footy he missed.

Did they put something in his knee when fixing the ACL?

 

[yy_cheng]

The Eels left at least FOUR tries out there last night..Marata, Penisini first half - Lane, Brown second half. The way Moses was kicking, another 24 points to the tally makes it a walloping. Never in doubt....People love looking for negatives....The defence of Sivo has improved dramatically - and Gutho has an amazing 'will to win'....He's a bewdy..

Parra has worked on the defense on our left and I accredit it to Oppa.

There were a few times the centre gets the ball and sivo, instead of rushing out like our wingers do and leaving the winger unmarked, leaves the centre alone and stays between the centre and winger. This is because the team has faith that oppa will shutdown the centre

Well done BA or defensive coach.