Rd8: Eels v Cowboys GAME DAY THREAD in Darwin 30/4/22

[Noise]

Well they're not legends because they were good talking about footy.

Agree. It was dumb.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

All of our tries were scored through the individual brilliance of Dylan Brown/Waqa Blake or relying on being at the right place at the right time through Ray Stone. You’re literally proving my point.

Totally not. Individual brilliance from Drown or Blake would've been wonderful last night but our forwards set no platform. Paulo and RCG combined for nearly 400m against Melbourne. Last night they gave us 189m.

Perhaps individual brilliance isn't so individual after all. Maybe it's a team game?

 

[Suitman]

No, Penrith's and Melbourne's was awesome last year. Ours was just good. You're too dumb to play this game Suity. Don't try and be a hero now that every idiot is piling on. Us losing doesn't prove any point you've previously made. It certainly doesn't disprove any of mine. Disappointing losses are a fact of life. How do you think the Storm feel when we beat them?

The Storm put in an effort in their loss and almost won. Unlike our game last night and against the Tigers. Two games we SHOULD have won.
I'm not trying to play any game, nor be a hero, and you very well know I am not dumb. Nice try.
I'm just calling your shite out like everyone else is.
Defend the club all you like but we should not be losing to the last two teams that we did, no matter how many reasons and excuses you give.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes that was such a flukey win and they praised and made us out to be premiership contenders .

Winning the ruck is no fluke. Everything comes off the back of it.

 

[krodsorin]

He carves up in reserve grade and has NRL level defence. Definitely worth a spot at the bottom of the top 30.

Winning the ruck is no fluke. Everything comes off the back of it.

Is winning the ruck the ball coming off Melbourne players head, ball coming off post both times stone was in the perfect place? Lol that's why we won not because we were the dominant team.

 

[lucablight]

Totally not. Individual brilliance from Drown or Blake would've been wonderful last night but our forwards set no platform. Paulo and RCG combined for nearly 400m against Melbourne. Last night they gave us 189m.

Perhaps individual brilliance isn't so individual after all. Maybe it's a team game?

The Storm made 189m more against the Eels whilst the Cowboys only made 135m more(we actually made more post contact metres and had more possession).

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Todd Payten chose the Cowboys because of family circumstances.

What a coincidence

 

[lucablight]

Winning the ruck is no fluke. Everything comes off the back of it.

We didn’t though. Melbourne we’re statistically the better side when it came to yardage and possession.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You’re starting at the conclusion then cherry picking stats to support it. Very little about what the cowboys did 5 years ago matters today. How about you talk about the last 4 seasons where they finished 13th,13th,14th and 15th while having all those origin players,most destructive forward and abundant resources?

Looks like whoever was responsible for pouring money into the football operation took a breather. Or maybe after winning a premiership Paul Green forgot how to coach?

 

[the phantom menace]

They are obviously not.
It was a rhetorical question.

Then maybe keep your questions to yourself, or to DMs to the forum members who you're quoting/asking the questions of?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Facts say otherwise. In the last 20 years 11 of the 16 teams have won a premiership. If those factors you mentioned were so insurmountable then we wouldn’t have such a myriad of premiers.

This means that five of the 16 teams (almost one third) haven't won a premiership. But more importantly, a couple of clubs have won multiple premierships in the past 20 years:

Grand finals won since 2001	Club
5	Storm
4	Roosters
2	Panthers Seagulls
1	Bulldogs Tigers Broncos Dragons Rabbits Cowboys Sharks

What this means is that any of those one premiership teams might've had zero premierships with some bad luck. But also shows that the fundamental strength of a club can change over time (though obviously hasn't for two of those clubs). This is what needs to occur for Parramatta. A change in our fundamental competitiveness, not just a change of coach or paying huge money for a superstar. Those things might represent a fundamental change but they also might just be bandaids.

 

[strider]

This means that five of the 16 teams (almost one third) haven't won a premiership. But more importantly, a couple of clubs have won multiple premierships in the past 20 years:

Grand finals won since 2001	Club
5	Storm
4	Roosters
2	Panthers Seagulls
1	Bulldogs Tigers Broncos Dragons Rabbits Cowboys Sharks

What this means is that any of those one premiership teams might've had zero premierships with some bad luck. But also shows that the fundamental strength of a club can change over time (though obviously hasn't for two of those clubs). This is what needs to occur for Parramatta. A change in our fundamental competitiveness, not just a change of coach or paying huge money for a superstar. Those things might represent a fundamental change but they also might just be bandaids.

Storm**

ffs pou

 

[lucablight]

This means that five of the 16 teams (almost one third) haven't won a premiership. But more importantly, a couple of clubs have won multiple premierships in the past 20 years:

Grand finals won since 2001	Club
5	Storm
4	Roosters
2	Panthers Seagulls
1	Bulldogs Tigers Broncos Dragons Rabbits Cowboys Sharks

What this means is that any of those one premiership teams might've had zero premierships with some bad luck. But also shows that the fundamental strength of a club can change over time (though obviously hasn't for two of those clubs). This is what needs to occur for Parramatta. A change in our fundamental competitiveness, not just a change of coach or paying huge money for a superstar. Those things might represent a fundamental change but they also might just be bandaids.

If you want to go back to 2001 then it’s 12 teams that have won a premiership out of 16. I challenge you to find me another elite sporting competition where 75% of the teams have won the competition at some stage. It just shows that blaming a lack of resources is a copout when so many teams have done it at least once in recent memory.

 

[Jake the snake]

He moved Inglis to the centres in 2009 because they didn't have enough centres. They then moved Smith into the halves and then tried Maloney before finally bringing Finch into the team. Do you reckon he thought they were all better five-eighths than Greg Inglis?

Inglis wasn’t a 5/8 you dope. But you didn’t answer my question regarding Munster. Which Typical because you deflect everything to suit your shit arguements that makes no sense so that you can defend BORRRINNNG BRRRAAADDD

 

[Gazzamatta]

Winning the ruck is no fluke. Everything comes off the back of it.

Finally ffs. And we stink at it. Period.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Making our players work extra hard to score suits our squad? We have to put in so much more effort than a lot of other teams because we seem to have this worker harder not smarter philosophy. Working harder instead of smarter suits no one.

How are we putting in more effort? We are doing a combination of attacking or defending for 80 minutes, the same as every other team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Storm put in an effort in their loss and almost won. Unlike our game last night and against the Tigers. Two games we SHOULD have won.
I'm not trying to play any game, nor be a hero, and you very well know I am not dumb. Nice try.
I'm just calling your shite out like everyone else is.
Defend the club all you like but we should not be losing to the last two teams that we did, no matter how many reasons and excuses you give.

Who's giving excuses? I'm saying you're off your tree trying to pin it on Jake Arthur. Our effort was poor against the Tigers (when Arthur didn't play) and last night, when Arthur tried his best. You seem to think that whenever we lose it's some kind of massive win for the whingers. What did it prove? I won $80 on the game. I knew we might've lost. You should have too.

And here's a tip, we're a good chance of losing next weekend as well. Our left side will get carved up no matter who we put there, and if we don't control the ball our middle defence will collapse because the Panthers forwards are too mobile for us.

 

[lucablight]

How are we putting in more effort? We are doing a combination of attacking or defending for 80 minutes, the same as every other team.

It’s like asking how shoulder barging a door is more effort than using a key to unlock it because it’s the same door.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Is winning the ruck the ball coming off Melbourne players head, ball coming off post both times stone was in the perfect place? Lol that's why we won not because we were the dominant team.

You need to be in a position to get those opportunities, which doesn't happen if you're camped on your own tryline. And of course we weren't dominant. We won by four points ffs. It was anyone's game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Storm made 189m more against the Eels whilst the Cowboys only made 135m more(we actually made more post contact metres and had more possession).

What point are you trying to make and how do these numbers support it? Penisini made over 200 metres last night. It doesn't say much about our pack.