Redcliffe put their hand up

[BuderusIsaBeast]

Massive no to Redcliffe. A 2nd Brisbane team needs to be playing out of Suncorp and represent a far bigger catchment of people then Redcliffe. I see Redcliffe as the QLD version of Manly.

 

[Stallion]

Massive no to Redcliffe. A 2nd Brisbane team needs to be playing out of Suncorp and represent a far bigger catchment of people then Redcliffe. I see Redcliffe as the QLD version of Manly.

So it looks like Northern Brisbane or Brisbane Brothers?

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

So it looks like Northern Brisbane or Brisbane Brothers?

I could see either working as long as they played at Suncorp. Brothers could be the community based type club to rival the corporate broncos

 

[The Great Dane]

So it looks like Northern Brisbane or Brisbane Brothers?

I could see either working as long as they played at Suncorp. Brothers could be the community based type club to rival the corporate broncos

I'm just going to start quoting this post of mine every time that somebody brings up Brisbane and Brothers in the same sentence as a possibility for an expansion team in Brisbane, cause there's just so much miss information about the Brothers bid on this forum-

That defeats the whole purpose of everything that is unique and interesting about the bid...
It's completely antithetical to everything that they claim they want to do and everything that they are about...

They plan for Brisbane to be their base of operations, but it's not their target market or audience, their target market and audience is Brothers members all over the country.

You do realise that the Brothers want to play up to half their home games each year outside of Brisbane right?! They want to play games at any Brothers club home city/town, so all over Queensland and maybe even a few games in NSW or Darwin from time to time (they specifically name Wagga as a target market for the future, if they can get the necessary facilities built in Wagga).
Though I can't find the posts now (to be fair they're all a few years old now), they've even suggested that they'd play games in places like Townsville, North Sydney, and Penrith from time to time to connect with the Brothers clubs in those places...

I mean just read through some of their material on their website-http://www.brothersfc.com.au/

Or specifically in their bid plan- http://www.brothersfc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Bid-Doc.pdf

Some of the stuff in the bid plan is just plan delusional, like claiming that they have a global IP that is represented by and connected to all sorts of different brands and things that organisationally they themselves are completely unconnected to, the most ridiculous examples being the Boston Celtics and Notre Dame Fighting Irish...

There's a lot that is very interesting about the Brothers bid (particularly the idea of a club based not on a geographical area but a giant multi-regional juniors structure and club system), but practically it's an insane undertaking that would fall to shit at any one of millions of hurdles.

The Brothers bid isn't a Brisbane bid, and they shouldn't be considered a Brisbane bid, it's a completely different proposition that should be considered on it's own merits, but it shouldn't even come into the conversation when it comes to talk of another club in Brisbane.

 

[The Great Dane]

So it looks like Northern Brisbane or Brisbane Brothers?

Oh and BTW there's no "Northern Brisbane" bid either, that is just what some hope that the Dolphins bid evolves into, though that doesn't really make a lot of sense either considering where the Broncos are situated and all.

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

If that’s the Brothers bid plan I can’t see them getting a license. I assumed they would play mostly at Suncorp and maybe take a game or 2 to country areas.

The next QLD team needs to be based at Suncorp imo

 

[The Great Dane]

If that’s the Brothers bid plan I can’t see them getting a license. I assumed they would play mostly at Suncorp and maybe take a game or 2 to country areas.

The next QLD team needs to be based at Suncorp imo

That's the whole point, they aren't bidding to be the next QLD NRL club, they have no intention of being a QLD or a Brisbane team, the whole point of the bid is to create a club that isn't based on representing a geographical region or area but representing a national structure of juniors, clubs, and fans.
They are only representing the Brother Confraternity (so just RL clubs) in the bidding process but have made it clear (even within some of their bid documents) that they plan to attempt to expand their reach to other Christian Brothers organisations in the future, including private schools, other Brothers sporting clubs/organisations (RU, hockey, soccer, netball, etc), etc, so to start of with they hope to 'represent' everywhere from Brothers Darwin and Carins down to Brothers North Sydney and Wagga (there's a map of the Confraternities geographical reach and a breakdown of their target markets in the bid doc that I linked), but if all goes as they plan then in the future they may literally be representing clubs, schools, organisations, and people from cities and/or regions in every state and territory in country and may even try to expand internationally!

They don't even intend to call themselves the "Brisbane Brothers" people on here just started calling them that somewhere along the way.

 

[Stallion]

I'm just going to start quoting this post of mine every time that somebody brings up Brisbane and Brothers in the same sentence as a possibility for an expansion team in Brisbane, cause there's just so much miss information about the Brothers bid on this forum-



The Brothers bid isn't a Brisbane bid, and they shouldn't be considered a Brisbane bid, it's a completely different proposition that should be considered on it's own merits, but it shouldn't even come into the conversation when it comes to talk of another club in Brisbane.

So pray tell where on earth would a Brisbane Brothers be based?

 

[Stallion]

Oh and BTW there's no "Northern Brisbane" bid either, that is just what some hope that the Dolphins bid evolves into, though that doesn't really make a lot of sense either considering where the Broncos are situated and all.

Perhaps if someone stumbles on the idea it may have legs? It does have merit!?

 

[The Great Dane]

So pray tell where on earth would a Brisbane Brothers be based?

The answer to your question is in the post you are quoting, you probably should have taken the time to read it (and some of the material that is linked in it as well) before replying...

They'd be based in Brisbane, but Brisbane isn't their target audience, Brothers club members all over the country is their target audience, and they plan to play up to half of their games outside of Brisbane, and though they haven't definitively confirmed or denied it (as far as I know), they have suggested on multiple occasions that they'll probably increase the number of games played outside of Brisbane over time...

Also the bid isn't called the Brisbane Brothers, that's a name that people on here started calling them but actually has nothing to do with the actual bid at all, the bid's called the Brothers NRL Bid Team and there are conflicting reports of what the actual NRL team would be called as at different times in their own material they refer to the potential NRL team as the Brothers Leprechauns, Brothers Fighting Irish, and just Brothers FC, so it seems that even they haven't decided on the final name for the NRL team yet, but as you'll surely note their names doesn't specify a geographical indicator for the team, that's cause as they state in their bid material they don't plan to represent a geographical area...

Again you would have known that if you bother to read through the post and/or the linked material within the post...

Perhaps if someone stumbles on the idea it may have legs? It does have merit!?

But the idea doesn't have legs cause the bid would be eating right into the Broncos base in Red hill and north of the river...

Any new clubs in Brisbane will effectively make the Broncos the "North Brisbane" team, unless we plan to sandwich them into a tiny part of the city between two new clubs with much, much larger bases, which would simply be bad for business.

 

[Stallion]

The answer to your question is in the post you are quoting, you probably should have taken the time to read it (and some of the material that is linked in it as well) before replying...

They'd be based in Brisbane, but Brisbane isn't their target audience, Brothers club members all over the country is their target audience, and they plan to play up to half of their games outside of Brisbane, and though they haven't definitively confirmed or denied it (as far as I know), they have suggested on multiple occasions that they'll probably increase the number of games played outside of Brisbane over time...

Also the bid isn't called the Brisbane Brothers, that's a name that people on here started calling them but actually has nothing to do with the actual bid at all, the bid's called the Brothers NRL Bid Team and there are conflicting reports of what the actual NRL team would be called as at different times in their own material they refer to the potential NRL team as the Brothers Leprechauns, Brothers Fighting Irish, and just Brothers FC, so it seems that even they haven't decided on the final name for the NRL team yet, but as you'll surely note their names doesn't specify a geographical indicator for the team, that's cause as they state in their bid material they don't plan to represent a geographical area...

Again you would have known that if you bother to read through the post and/or the linked material within the post...



But the idea doesn't have legs cause the bid would be eating right into the Broncos base in Red hill and north of the river...

Any new clubs in Brisbane will effectively make the Broncos the "North Brisbane" team, unless we plan to sandwich them into a tiny part of the city between two new clubs with much, much larger bases, which would simply be bad for business.

As if the Broncos haven't got enough of a monopoly!

 

[Stallion]

The answer to your question is in the post you are quoting, you probably should have taken the time to read it (and some of the material that is linked in it as well) before replying...

They'd be based in Brisbane, but Brisbane isn't their target audience, Brothers club members all over the country is their target audience, and they plan to play up to half of their games outside of Brisbane, and though they haven't definitively confirmed or denied it (as far as I know), they have suggested on multiple occasions that they'll probably increase the number of games played outside of Brisbane over time...

Also the bid isn't called the Brisbane Brothers, that's a name that people on here started calling them but actually has nothing to do with the actual bid at all, the bid's called the Brothers NRL Bid Team and there are conflicting reports of what the actual NRL team would be called as at different times in their own material they refer to the potential NRL team as the Brothers Leprechauns, Brothers Fighting Irish, and just Brothers FC, so it seems that even they haven't decided on the final name for the NRL team yet, but as you'll surely note their names doesn't specify a geographical indicator for the team, that's cause as they state in their bid material they don't plan to represent a geographical area...

Again you would have known that if you bother to read through the post and/or the linked material within the post...



But the idea doesn't have legs cause the bid would be eating right into the Broncos base in Red hill and north of the river...

Any new clubs in Brisbane will effectively make the Broncos the "North Brisbane" team, unless we plan to sandwich them into a tiny part of the city between two new clubs with much, much larger bases, which would simply be bad for business.

Btw. If that is their stance on being a location less club they have no chance of relevance or success! That's stupidity. An area needs to be represented or the club has no subalance or soul. I suppose you support such an idea?!

 

[The Great Dane]

As if the Broncos haven't got enough of a monopoly!

Now where did I say that I supported them having a monopoly? I didn't say that...

But under your suggestion they'd go from having a monopoly to having their core base split in two and nowhere to grow into, you'd turn them into Brisbane's version of the Roosters, completely reliant on rich benefactors as their core market and fan-base has been completely eaten into by other teams, that's unnecessary and just as dumb as letting them keep a monopoly over Brisbane.

Unless of course you are suggesting that the NRL bring in a new "North Brisbane" club and get the Broncos to move into the western corridor/south Brisbane, but why would you do that, it would just complicate everything, you'd just be better off leaving the Broncos where they are and starting a new club south of the river, that would be a much simpler way of achieving the same result...

But the point is moot anyway as no "North Brisbane" bid exists...

 

[Stallion]

Now where did I say that I supported them having a monopoly? I didn't say that...

But under your suggestion they'd go from having a monopoly to having their core base split in two and nowhere to grow into, you'd turn them into Brisbane's version of the Roosters, completely reliant on rich benefactors as their core market and fan-base has been completely eaten into by other teams, that's unnecessary and just as dumb as letting them keep a monopoly over Brisbane.

Unless of course you are suggesting that the NRL bring in a new "North Brisbane" club and get the Broncos to move into the western corridor/south Brisbane, but why would you do that, it would just complicate everything, you'd just be better off leaving the Broncos where they are and starting a new club south of the river, that would be a much simpler way of achieving the same result...

But the point is moot anyway as no "North Brisbane" bid exists...

Ok. South Brisbane...... ! But their must be another club playing out of Brisbane. To have any other outcome would be embarassing and illogical.

 

[mongoose]

Biggest issue for them will be stadium. Suncorp is about an hours drive or 90mins on public transport and I can’t see the nrl wanting another Brisbane team that isn’t playing out of Suncorp. The Redcliffe stadium would need $100million spending on it to get it anything like what the nrl wants clubs to be playi g in and Q’land council won’t pay for it.

If the NRL and Dolphins Leagues chipped in I reckon the Moreton bay Council would upgrade it in a heartbeat.

 

[The Great Dane]

Btw. If that is their stance on being a location less club they have no chance of relevance or success! That's stupidity. An area needs to be represented or the club has no subalance or soul.

You should read through their bid material and history, cause they've been around for more than 100 years (much longer if you count their stuff pre-RL), and it's been working for them, I mean they have 19 seniors clubs, 17 juniors clubs, and 9 leagues clubs spread across QLD, NSW, and the NT (but mainly focused in Queensland) and that's just in RL, if you count other Christian Brothers organisations they're spread all over the country and into all sorts of things, and they are technically a sister organisation of those things.

I don't know, it's hard to explain, but their is defiantly a shared core identity there, a soul if you will, that is shared by all the confraternity, and it's not based on religion anymore (though it's obviously influenced heavily by Catholicism in the past, which obviously isn't surprising), I'm hesitant to say a shared ideology, but it's like a shared way of looking at the sport and how it should be practised and a shared way of looking at the world.
If I had to draw a parallel (and bare with me here) I'd say they are like the RL version of Jewish communities pre-modern Israel, in that they have no homeland but they are one people, obviously it's not a perfect analogy though as the Brothers have no interest in establishing a homeland and embrace their lack of a geographical "home".

So yeah it's complicated and incredibly hard to explain, but if you read through some of their stuff you'll see that they definitely do have relevance, they definitely have been reasonably successful in all their endeavors, and they definitely do have a shared identity and "soul".

I suppose you support such an idea?!

I'm not sure that I'd say that I support or oppose their proposition.

I find it a very interesting concept that should be considered on it's own merits, but I think that it's a very risky concept that is very reliant on a lot of people holding allegiances to the Brothers first above all others when that isn't necessarily the case, and think that there're millions of hurdles that the club would face and if they were to trip at any one of them that they'd fall to shit, but if everything is as they say and they can pull it off that the Brothers NRL club would be the most successful and biggest sports club in the southern hemisphere.

So yeah I'm not really for or against the Brothers or their ideas.

 

[mongoose]

Massive no to Redcliffe. A 2nd Brisbane team needs to be playing out of Suncorp and represent a far bigger catchment of people then Redcliffe. I see Redcliffe as the QLD version of Manly.

nah, If you call them Moreton Bay Dophins you increase your catchment area to that whole peninsula, north lakes, deception bay, pine rivers, caboolture I guess and the sunny coast. All very working class areas. Manly in Sydney is yuppyville and I reckon RL is losing ground there, probably more than anywhere in Sydney.

The problem is so many people in QLD already have teams whether its the Broncos, Cowboys or someone else.

 

[The Great Dane]

Ok. South Brisbane...... ! But their must be another club playing out of Brisbane. To have any other outcome would be embarassing and illogical.

Do you mean a second club in Brisbane, or a second and third club out of Brisbane?

Cause I wholeheartedly agree that their needs to be a second club in Brisbane, but I'd be very cautious about adding a third under the current structure of the NRL!

 

[Stallion]

You should read through their bid material and history, cause they've been around for more than 100 years (much longer if you count their stuff pre-RL), and it's been working for them, I mean they have 19 seniors clubs, 17 juniors clubs, and 9 leagues clubs spread across QLD, NSW, and the NT (but mainly focused in Queensland) and that's just in RL, if you count other Christian Brothers organisations they're spread all over the country and into all sorts of things, and they are technically a sister organisation of those things.

I don't know, it's hard to explain, but their is defiantly a shared core identity there, a soul if you will, that is shared by all the confraternity, and it's not based on religion anymore (though it's obviously influenced heavily by Catholicism in the past, which obviously isn't surprising), I'm hesitant to say a shared ideology, but it's like a shared way of looking at the sport and how it should be practised and a shared way of looking at the world.
If I had to draw a parallel (and bare with me here) I'd say they are like the RL version of Jewish communities pre-modern Israel, in that they have no homeland but they are one people, obviously it's not a perfect analogy though as the Brothers have no interest in establishing a homeland and embrace their lack of a geographical "home".

So yeah it's complicated and incredibly hard to explain, but if you read through some of their stuff you'll see that they definitely do have relevance, they definitely have been reasonably successful in all their endeavors, and they definitely do have a shared identity and "soul".



I'm not sure that I'd say that I support or oppose their proposition.

I find it a very interesting concept that should be considered on it's own merits, but I think that it's a very risky concept that is very reliant on a lot of people holding allegiances to the Brothers first above all others when that isn't necessarily the case, and think that there're millions of hurdles that the club would face and if they were to trip at any one of them that they'd fall to shit, but if everything is as they say and they can pull it off that the Brothers NRL club would be the most successful and biggest sports club in the southern hemisphere.

So yeah I'm not really for or against the Brothers or their ideas.

If they called it Brisbane Brothers as a franchise name playing out of Suncorp I'm a fan. Otherwise no go.

 

[The Great Dane]

If they called it Brisbane Brothers as a franchise name playing out of Suncorp I'm a fan. Otherwise no go.

Well I guess their bid doesn't get the Stallion seal of approval then... Though if they knew or cared who you were they'd probably see that as a good thing.

But you should definitely read through their stuff though cause it's an interesting proposition to say the least, and it's much, much more nuanced and intricate bid then you are taking it as, and personally I would have thought it was right up your alley considering it's all about history and tradition.

You really need to stop looking at it as 'one of the Brisbane bids' though, cause it isn't a Brisbane bid, it isn't really anywheres' bid.