Redcliffe put their hand up

[Stallion]

Well I guess their bid doesn't get the Stallion seal of approval then... Though if they knew or cared who you were they'd probably see that as a good thing.

But you should definitely read through their stuff though cause it's an interesting proposition to say the least, and it's much, much more nuanced and intricate bid then you are taking it as, and personally I would have thought it was right up your alley considering it's all about history and tradition.

You really need to stop looking at it as 'one of the Brisbane bids' though, cause it isn't a Brisbane bid, it isn't really anywheres' bid.

Brisbane Brothers has a locality for casual/neutral fans which encourages more new fans . Then the "Brothers" name aspect should satisfy a business savvy confroternity fan base that you speak of. That's two good reasons to support this club as well as an alternative to the Broncos .

 

[Pommy]

Well I guess their bid doesn't get the Stallion seal of approval then... Though if they knew or cared who you were they'd probably see that as a good thing.

But you should definitely read through their stuff though cause it's an interesting proposition to say the least, and it's much, much more nuanced and intricate bid then you are taking it as, and personally I would have thought it was right up your alley considering it's all about history and tradition.

You really need to stop looking at it as 'one of the Brisbane bids' though, cause it isn't a Brisbane bid, it isn't really anywheres' bid.

Unless it’s the bears or the 23rd Brisbane team he won’t be interested in it.

 

[Stallion]

Unless it’s the bears or the 23rd Brisbane team he won’t be interested in it.

I am not a Bears fan. I'm a rugby league fan. Something the peanut gallery might try to do! My comments are purely for the reclamation and strengthening of the code in a logical way. You blokes seek implosion, displacement and loss of cultural along with local relevance. Not my way of doing things to progress and strengthen the code. Your ignorance and recklessness continues to dissappoint but not surprise!

 

[herbert henry1908]

I am not a Bears fan. I'm a rugby league fan. Something the peanut gallery might try to do! My comments are purely for the reclamation and strengthening of the code in a logical way. You blokes seek implosion, displacement and loss of cultural along with local relevance. Not my way of doing things to progress and strengthen the code. Your ignorance and recklessness continues to dissappoint but not surprise!

To me, the bears last stand is Adelaide.

If they could somehow get the money together, they should start funding Adelaide rugby league in any way they can. Create ties with that community. Medium term maybe a NSW Cup team there before a bid for an NRL licence.

Only other way back may be if Gold Coast failed again. But that seems unlikely the NRL would look favourably at that.

 

[Stallion]

To me, the bears last stand is Adelaide.

If they could somehow get the money together, they should start funding Adelaide rugby league in any way they can. Create ties with that community. Medium term maybe a NSW Cup team there before a bid for an NRL licence.

Only other way back may be if Gold Coast failed again. But that seems unlikely the NRL would look favourably at that.

I'm ok with your Adelaide option and strategy. I would suggest the Central Coast option as very feasible as well. Both good for the code. The Central Coast option would be cheaper at this point in time. With established fan bases and juniors the CC option is doable in the short term whereas Adelaide is longterm.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm ok with your Adelaide option and strategy. I would suggest the Central Coast option as very feasible as well. Both good for the code. The Central Coast option would be cheaper at this point in time. With established fan bases and juniors the CC option is doable in the short term whereas Adelaide is longterm.

I think we’ve discussed before, but I just don’t see Central Coast happening. I think the bears realise this too.

I understand your heritage argument, but the game has reached a point where expansion into new terrorities outweighs the heritage factor. It’s very much grow or die.

 

[Pommy]

I am not a Bears fan. I'm a rugby league fan. Something the peanut gallery might try to do! My comments are purely for the reclamation and strengthening of the code in a logical way. You blokes seek implosion, displacement and loss of cultural along with local relevance. Not my way of doing things to progress and strengthen the code. Your ignorance and recklessness continues to dissappoint but not surprise!

Seek help

 

[Stallion]

Seek help

The game of rugby league needs the help if this is the calibre of "commentators " the peanut gallery is showing. Really dumb stuff but the good guys will battle on regardless.

 

[Stallion]

I think we’ve discussed before, but I just don’t see Central Coast happening. I think the bears realise this too.

I understand your heritage argument, but the game has reached a point where expansion into new terrorities outweighs the heritage factor. It’s very much grow or die.

Believe it or not gaining back Bears fans is smart along with securing the Central Coast. With ten teams in the 3 regions top flight is catering for its fan bases. Otherwise a weak link like we are witnessing on northern Sydney will grow and fester to rugby league's detriment and other codes joy!

 

[herbert henry1908]

Believe it or not gaining back Bears fans is smart along with securing the Central Coast. With ten teams in the 3 regions top flight is catering for its fan bases. Otherwise a weak link like we are witnessing on northern Sydney will grow and fester to rugby league's detriment and other codes joy!

To me there’s very little connection between the central coast and the north shore anyway.

People of the north shore have more in common with the northern beaches than the central coast. If you marketed it properly, Manly can be the north shores team. Obviously you won’t get the bears fans on board, but there’s heaps of kids that never even knew them.

A central coast team will be just that, not a north shore team.

So it really comes down to weighing the virtues of the central coast against other bids. There’s no way it’s better than either a Brisbane 2 or Perth bid, far too much corporate & broadcaster support to compete with.

So if they’re not in the 2023 round of expansion (if that even happens), the next round of expansion is probably mid 2030’s. At this point it’s been 35 years since the bears last existed on the north shore. How many fans are left by then?

 

[Pommy]

To me there’s very little connection between the central coast and the north shore anyway.

People of the north shore have more in common with the northern beaches than the central coast. If you marketed it properly, Manly can be the north shores team. Obviously you won’t get the bears fans on board, but there’s heaps of kids that never even knew them.

A central coast team will be just that, not a north shore team.

So it really comes down to weighing the virtues of the central coast against other bids. There’s no way it’s better than either a Brisbane 2 or Perth bid, far too much corporate & broadcaster support to compete with.

So if they’re not in the 2023 round of expansion (if that even happens), the next round of expansion is probably mid 2030’s. At this point it’s been 35 years since the bears last existed on the north shore. How many fans are left by then?

And this is the real issue. It’s not that nobody wants a north Sydney side, it’s just that they offer so little in comparison to other options. You can’t give every suburb a team in the top flight. Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide a second Melbourne or NZ team all give the sport so much more than another NSW side would.

 

[herbert henry1908]

And this is the real issue. It’s not that nobody wants a north Sydney side, it’s just that they offer so little in comparison to other options. You can’t give every suburb a team in the top flight. Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide a second Melbourne or NZ team all give the sport so much more than another NSW side would.

Agree mostly, but the north shore isn’t a suburb.

It’s collective population is 500,000 people. And I think the NRL could do a much better job of tapping into that, and they’ve got a team to do it with in Manly. It’s absolutely imperative we don’t lose Manly.

Roosters could also perhaps tap into the lower north shore with manly going after the upper north shore.


The biggest issue I’ve always felt with the central coast is, where’s the corporate support goimg to come from? Especially when you compare it to the corporate support a Brisbane or Perth team will have.

 

[Perth Red]

Agree mostly, but the north shore isn’t a suburb.

It’s collective population is 500,000 people. And I think the NRL could do a much better job of tapping into that, and they’ve got a team to do it with in Manly. It’s absolutely imperative we don’t lose Manly.

Roosters could also perhaps tap into the lower north shore with manly going after the upper north shore.


The biggest issue I’ve always felt with the central coast is, where’s the corporate support goimg to come from? Especially when you compare it to the corporate support a Brisbane or Perth team will have.

What’s population of parramatta and Penrith catchments combined? They managed to draw 10k between them on a sunny sunday afternoon. The last thing the nrl needs is another sydney team.

 

[herbert henry1908]

What’s population of parramatta and Penrith catchments combined? They managed to draw 10k between them on a sunny sunday afternoon. The last thing the nrl needs is another sydney team.

That’s why I said I don’t want Norths back. Keep up.


I’d also say you’re way too focused on crowds. Sydney has never had a big sports attendance culture, but it’s the biggest TV market in Australia, and they watch it huge numbers.

 

[The Great Dane]

Brisbane Brothers has a locality for casual/neutral fans which encourages more new fans . Then the "Brothers" name aspect should satisfy a business savvy confroternity fan base that you speak of. That's two good reasons to support this club as well as an alternative to the Broncos .

Ahh, haven't we been through this, they aren't the Brisbane Brothers that's just a name that people started calling them on here...
And what do you mean the "business savvy confraternity fan base", I don't think that your average Brothers member gives a shit about the business of the confraternity...

Seriously you either need to read through their history and bid material or stop talking about them cause you ain't got the faintest clue what they are about, I mean calling the team the Brisbane Brothers would poison the bid, it'd start infighting between the clubs as it'd look like the Brothers clubs in Brisbane are being favoured over the rest of the confraternity members, it'd exasperate almost all of the biggest problems that the Brothers team would face...

 

[The Great Dane]

@Stallion BTW, I am interested to know which Brisbane bid/s you would support for a spot in an expanded NRL comp?

 

[Stallion]

To me there’s very little connection between the central coast and the north shore anyway.

People of the north shore have more in common with the northern beaches than the central coast. If you marketed it properly, Manly can be the north shores team. Obviously you won’t get the bears fans on board, but there’s heaps of kids that never even knew them.

A central coast team will be just that, not a north shore team.

So it really comes down to weighing the virtues of the central coast against other bids. There’s no way it’s better than either a Brisbane 2 or Perth bid, far too much corporate & broadcaster support to compete with.

So if they’re not in the 2023 round of expansion (if that even happens), the next round of expansion is probably mid 2030’s. At this point it’s been 35 years since the bears last existed on the north shore. How many fans are left by then?

The difference being that relevance and memories are somewhat propagated by television replays these days. This in itself perpetuates information about the past that previous eras of clubs like Glebe and to a lesser extent Newtown, that have left the top flight did not have. Tv has created a very different scenario from the examples you have tries to use to discredit the points I have raised. ATM I'm convinced I'm not discouraging with genuine rugby league fans? And if they are they are very dumb! I mentioned to a soccer bloke the stuff you (the peanut gallery) have been coming up with, and he laughed. Mind you I filled him in with the history and tealities of the code (RL)and he could see and agreed with my points . You lot are asking for disaster and wont even remedy issues negatively affecting this more deserving code.

 

[Stallion]

@Stallion BTW, I am interested to know which Brisbane bid/s you would support for a spot in an expanded NRL comp?

I was initially in favour of a Northern Brisbane based bid with the Redcliffe Dolphins being a corporate backer along with a permission for the Dolphins to be used in a name such as the Brisbane Dolphins. However their seems to be issues with this? But that's my gut feel. In fact as more location information arose, the enveloping of the Moreton Bay region was also a decent platform for this franchise. I firmly believe 'Brisbane' should be in the name of this 2nd franchisel It will prove to be a drawcard for those that don't like the Broncos.(and their are plenty of those) The subsequent local derby : Brisbane Broncos v Brisbane Dolphins, would be attractive for all sorts of reasons .That's just my take on it. Both franchises playing out of Suncorp!

 

[siv]

I cant see anither Broncos style franchaise being setup while the QRL has veto rights

 

[The Great Dane]

I was initially in favour of a Northern Brisbane based bid with the Redcliffe Dolphins being a corporate backer along with a permission for the Dolphins to be used in a name such as the Brisbane Dolphins. However their seems to be issues with this? But that's my gut feel. In fact as more location information arose, the enveloping of the Moreton Bay region was also a decent platform for this franchise. I firmly believe 'Brisbane' should be in the name of this 2nd franchisel It will prove to be a drawcard for those that don't like the Broncos.(and their are plenty of those) The subsequent local derby : Brisbane Broncos v Brisbane Dolphins, would be attractive for all sorts of reasons .That's just my take on it. Both franchises playing out of Suncorp!

I meant which of the Brisbane bids that actually exist do you favour...
There is no North Brisbane or Moreton Bay bid, if you mean the Redcliffe bid then cool, but from what we know they are a Redcliffe bid and only a Redcliffe bid.