Redcliffe put their hand up

[Stallion]

I meant which of the Brisbane bids that actually exist do you favour...
There is no North Brisbane or Moreton Bay bid, if you mean the Redcliffe bid then cool, but from what we know they are a Redcliffe bid and only a Redcliffe bid.

Initially. However the choices need some genuine tweaking! They seem very determined to not cross paths with the wrongly perceived "Broncos territory". The bid must have a decent locality name in it or it will not capture Public enthusiasm. From what I'm noting the Broncos seem to be based in Brisbane's north part so perhaps a southern Brisbane angle for a Brisbane franchise? Both clubs must play out of Suncorp. That should be a given!

 

[The Great Dane]

Initially. However the choices need some genuine tweaking! They seem very determined to not cross paths with the wrongly perceived "Broncos territory". The bid must have a decent locality name in it or it will not capture Public enthusiasm. From what I'm noting the Broncos seem to be based in Brisbane's north part so perhaps a southern Brisbane angle for a Brisbane franchise? Both clubs must play out of Suncorp. That should be a given!

Why are you dodging the question? It's not a hard or deep question...

If you like one of the bids then name it, if you don't like any then say you don't like any of them, it really is that simply...

Here I'll answer my own question to give you an idea of how to respond- I don't particularly like or support any of the current Brisbane bids as all of them are deeply flawed in their own ways and/or don't fit the NRL's needs, and I hope that a better option reveals it's self before the NRL starts selecting bids (or that the NRL manufactures a better option if no bid reveals it's self), but of the bids that do exist the Western Corridor bid is probably the best in my opinion so if the NRL was forced to choose from the current bids then I'd choose the Western Corridor bid.

BTW, what do you mean "wrongly perceived Broncos territory", and none of the bids seem to mind eating into the Broncos territory, I mean basically all of Brisbane is currently "Broncos territory", but apart from maybe the Bombers all of the bids (including the Brothers) are eating into areas that the Broncos claim as their own.
The problem with your North Brisbane bid isn't that it eats into Broncos territory, that is inevitable, it's that it cut right into their base and their core markets...

 

[gUt]

nah, If you call them Moreton Bay Dophins you increase your catchment area to that whole peninsula, north lakes, deception bay, pine rivers, caboolture I guess and the sunny coast. All very working class areas. Manly in Sydney is yuppyville and I reckon RL is losing ground there, probably more than anywhere in Sydney.

The problem is so many people in QLD already have teams whether its the Broncos, Cowboys or someone else.

spot on

North Lakes is f**king huge and growing fast, along with all the other f**king huge developments going on in the area. North lakes is about 10-15 min drive away from Dolphin Oval. There's also a new planned city called Aura (lol) which is Caloundra West.

Basically merkins, anyone who's driven the highway north of Brisbane might recall endless acres of state owned pine plantation? Well those are all gradually being converted into new housing. They will want a footy team.

 

[Vee]

I wonder if there's any chance of the QRL driving a B2 bid. They drove the Crushers.

 

[jim_57]

If these club based bids aren't willing to compromise on their identity then they belong in the 2nd tier. Moreton Bay Dolphins targeting Northern Brisbane, Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast etc. = A real contender. Redcliffe Dolphins going it alone and wanting to keep their suburb name are not even on the radar. Ditto that with Jets IMO.

Brisbane Bombers have the upper hand if these bids can't let a few more people in on their little party. You would hope the NRL wouldn't just pick the strongest bid as is, but put their own little touches and conditions in to make one bid a perfect bid.

 

[herbert henry1908]

If these club based bids aren't willing to compromise on their identity then they belong in the 2nd tier. Moreton Bay Dolphins targeting Northern Brisbane, Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast etc. = A real contender. Redcliffe Dolphins going it alone and wanting to keep their suburb name are not even on the radar. Ditto that with Jets IMO.

Brisbane Bombers have the upper hand if these bids can't let a few more people in on their little party. You would hope the NRL wouldn't just pick the strongest bid as is, but put their own little touches and conditions in to make one bid a perfect bid.

Agree, although haven’t the bombers just walked away from their bid? Or was that just Livermore?

 

[jim_57]

Agree, although haven’t the bombers just walked away from their bid? Or was that just Livermore?

I think just Livermore, not really sure on the situation.

I'd rather see a Bombers type bid than a standalone Redcliffe or Ipswich team. Ipswich would be slightly better but being a sole Ipswich and alienating potential catchment areas like Logan, and Toowoomba would be a mistake IMO when the NRL only has so many expansion spots to work with. To be fair though the Western Corridor bid at least seems to ackowledge this, just need a better name than "Western Corridor".

The NRL has demand for expansion spots so the ball is in their court to get the best outcome in the areas they decide to expand, even if that means bypassing all bids and doing it their way if these bids can't conpromise.

 

[The Great Dane]

I think just Livermore, not really sure on the situation.

I'd rather see a Bombers type bid than a standalone Redcliffe or Ipswich team. Ipswich would be slightly better but being a sole Ipswich and alienating potential catchment areas like Logan, and Toowoomba would be a mistake IMO when the NRL only has so many expansion spots to work with. To be fair though the Western Corridor bid at least seems to ackowledge this, just need a better name than "Western Corridor".

The NRL has demand for expansion spots so the ball is in their court to get the best outcome in the areas they decide to expand, even if that means bypassing all bids and doing it their way if these bids can't conpromise.

What? The Ipswich bid and the Western Corridor bid are one and the same...

The Ipswich and Western Corridor bids merged years ago (like back in 2012 at least), they plan to be based in Ipswich (ironically at Brothers Ipswich in the beginning) and represent Ipswich, Logan, Toowoomba, and South West Queensland, so they've already addressed all your issues with the bid...

Also "Western Corridor" is only the name of the bid, not the final name of the potential NRL team.

I mean come on guys, can we please do a tiny bit of research before commenting on things...

 

[jim_57]

What? The Ipswich bid and the Western Corridor bid are one and the same...

The Ipswich and Western Corridor bids merged years ago (like back in 2012 at least), they plan to be based in Ipswich (ironically at Brothers Ipswich in the beginning) and represent Ipswich, Logan, Toowoomba, and South West Queensland, so they've already addressed all your issues with the bid...

Also "Western Corridor" is only the name of the bid, not the final name of the potential NRL team.

I mean come on guys, can we please do a tiny bit of research before commenting on things...

Why when you can do it for me?

I was aware they are the same, I thought the bid was heavily Ipswich based though, honestly it's been that long I've forgotten. If that's the plan it's good news.

Exactly, so like I said they still just need to find a better name than "Western Corridor".

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You should read through their bid material and history, cause they've been around for more than 100 years (much longer if you count their stuff pre-RL), and it's been working for them, I mean they have 19 seniors clubs, 17 juniors clubs, and 9 leagues clubs spread across QLD, NSW, and the NT QUOTE]

According to Stallion no RL tradition or history matters other than selected former top flight Sydney clubs

 

[titoelcolombiano]

And this is the real issue. It’s not that nobody wants a north Sydney side, it’s just that they offer so little in comparison to other options. You can’t give every suburb a team in the top flight. Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide a second Melbourne or NZ team all give the sport so much more than another NSW side would.

Implosion logic!! If we don't have a team in every Sydney suburb, union and AFL will take over they will fill the void with their zero clubs and weaken the code.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I was initially in favour of a Northern Brisbane based bid with the Redcliffe Dolphins being a corporate backer along with a permission for the Dolphins to be used in a name such as the Brisbane Dolphins. However their seems to be issues with this? But that's my gut feel. In fact as more location information arose, the enveloping of the Moreton Bay region was also a decent platform for this franchise. I firmly believe 'Brisbane' should be in the name of this 2nd franchisel It will prove to be a drawcard for those that don't like the Broncos.(and their are plenty of those) The subsequent local derby : Brisbane Broncos v Brisbane Dolphins, would be attractive for all sorts of reasons .That's just my take on it. Both franchises playing out of Suncorp!

The Dolphins are from Redcliffe! Not Brisbane. They are not giving up their brand for any other bid. Ask the Titans

 

[Stallion]

The Dolphins are from Redcliffe! Not Brisbane. They are not giving up their brand for any other bid. Ask the Titans

Have you ever considered that Redcliffe may want to venture into a franchise that would involve Brisbane with the Dolphins name involved? I would suggest Brisbane is big enough for two franchises at least? Using some imagination and business accumen can make such a franchise work for such a club and more importantly the code.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Have you ever considered that Redcliffe may want to venture into a franchise that would involve Brisbane with the Dolphins name involved? I would suggest Brisbane is big enough for two franchises at least? Using some imagination and business accumen can make such a franchise work for such a club and more importantly the code.

Yes, Brisbane is big enough for two franchises and Brisbane 2 should definately be a city team playing out of Suncorp permanently.

No, Redcliffe do not want to play as the Brisbane Dolphins.

 

[Stallion]

Yes, Brisbane is big enough for two franchises and Brisbane 2 should definately be a city team playing out of Suncorp permanently.

No, Redcliffe do not want to play as the Brisbane Dolphins.

Ok. So the competition should be in search for a club playing out of Suncorp with a Brisbane name . May they have attractive colours,logo and motif all set up! Hope it happens as the Broncos won't encourage this at all.

 

[Perth Red]

Two factors for me
1. Whose got the money behind them. Any new team is going to need to be able to show financial security and have some significant $'s to invest in start up and for when times get hard.
2. Geographical identity as a differentiator to Broncos. On this point a South Queensland Jets playing out of Suncorp but based in Ipswich sounds on paper a good option. SQ is a broad enough identifier not to alienate anyone but the Jets brand and Ipswich base identifies their core base region.

eventually a third Brisbane team linked to Dolphins and the North should be a long term vision. But that requires a shrinkage of Sydneys oversaturation to achieve. I'm not keen to see more than 18 clubs unless we go to conferences, but that's a long shot.

 

[Stallion]

Two factors for me
1. Whose got the money behind them. Any new team is going to need to be able to show financial security and have some significant $'s to invest in start up and for when times get hard.
2. Geographical identity as a differentiator to Broncos. On this point a South Queensland Jets playing out of Suncorp but based in Ipswich sounds on paper a good option. SQ is a broad enough identifier not to alienate anyone but the Jets brand and Ipswich base identifies their core base region.

eventually a third Brisbane team linked to Dolphins and the North should be a long term vision. But that requires a shrinkage of Sydneys oversaturation to achieve. I'm not keen to see more than 18 clubs unless we go to conferences, but that's a long shot.

Not so good for marketing purposes PR. SOUTH Queensland is not an attractive/successful name (think they were ousted pretty quick-1year maybe two? ) And an attractive name for fans is generally with two syllables. "Jets" has one syllable. Something like Dolphins, Brothers etc can be easily chanted by attending fans. The name must be catchy and user friendly unlike most of your ideas.FYI. Just some things you generally miss PR.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Two factors for me
1. Whose got the money behind them. Any new team is going to need to be able to show financial security and have some significant $'s to invest in start up and for when times get hard.
2. Geographical identity as a differentiator to Broncos. On this point a South Queensland Jets playing out of Suncorp but based in Ipswich sounds on paper a good option. SQ is a broad enough identifier not to alienate anyone but the Jets brand and Ipswich base identifies their core base region.

eventually a third Brisbane team linked to Dolphins and the North should be a long term vision. But that requires a shrinkage of Sydneys oversaturation to achieve. I'm not keen to see more than 18 clubs unless we go to conferences, but that's a long shot.

Ipswich have a State of Origin style dislike for Brisbane. They are very proud of their Jets and won't want them playing out of Suncorp.

 

[jim_57]

Not so good for marketing purposes PR. SOUTH Queensland is not an attractive/successful name (think they were ousted pretty quick-1year maybe two? ) And an attractive name for fans is generally with two syllables. "Jets" has one syllable. Something like Dolphins, Brothers etc can be easily chanted by attending fans. The name must be catchy and user friendly unlike most of your ideas.FYI. Just some things you generally miss PR.

That rules out the Bears ever returning.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not so good for marketing purposes PR. SOUTH Queensland is not an attractive/successful name (think they were ousted pretty quick-1year maybe two? ) And an attractive name for fans is generally with two syllables. "Jets" has one syllable. Something like Dolphins, Brothers etc can be easily chanted by attending fans. The name must be catchy and user friendly unlike most of your ideas.FYI. Just some things you generally miss PR.

That's convinced me, the bears are no good for the NRL - only one syllable.