Redneck Redfaces

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

I don't know about being led around on the grassy knoll while I lay down my yabbie traps so I can catch some rednecks POPEYE. The simple fact of the matter is my work is done here. Almost nobody on LU takes you seriously and prefers to ignore your senile, Craig Bellamy-inspired rantings.

I'm also happily just lurking around while you successfully manage to ostracise your few remaining supporters on this forum. Hence the "bravo" to No Name. The fact is I know I'm what you consider a "redneck". I think the term troll applies to.me as well. But you're the one that is purporting to be a leading authority on NRL coaching when in truth all you are is a liar, hypocrite, gibberer, turncoat and most especially "redneck".

As for "back pedalling" wtf was that last post to No Name hmmm? Trying desperately to hang on to one of your few friends on this forum while the rest of us know how irrelevant you have become? Hang on I should correct myself there. You were.never relevant to begin with.

My time in this waste of space is done. You won't hear from me again you lonely old fart.

Good....f**k Off

 

[POPEYE]

I get what you're saying, I just don't agree.
I feel the game has evolved accordingly with the times. Things like the VR and two referees were introduced to, in theory, help come up with the right decision more often.
Pre VR, just like today, the referees decision was final and results were recorded as such. It is irrelevant if their decisions are right or wrong.

I think we've come as close as we're going to get on this subject. Suffice it to say I still don't like people
adding what their team did before '67 to what they did before '96 to what they do now and leave it at that.

We can cross swords on any subject you choose or maybe even agree so don't be a stranger

 

[POPEYE]

Interesting to see before the start of the game Matty Elliott running the Roosters warm up.
Came so close but Mini made a few errors that gave Manly a new lease of life. The Seagles
have always had more than their share of luck but imo they were the better on the day.

Still think Klein is the best referee although not sure whether the elbow that changed the game
got more recognition than it deserved. A lot of players that shouldn't get away with it on numerous
occasions do but two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe Klein is too good a ref

 

[Mr Fourex]

I get what you're saying, I just don't agree.
I feel the game has evolved accordingly with the times. Things like the VR and two referees were introduced to, in theory, help come up with the right decision more often.
Pre VR, just like today, the referees decision was final and results were recorded as such. It is irrelevant if their decisions are right or wrong.

IMO they should scrap the two ref system.

Seems they made less blatant errors when there was only one man in charge.

I also have to question the value of the VR ref when he can still get it wrong after watching it 1000 times.......in ultra slow motion

 

[POPEYE]

Two of the coaches I want to become great played off tonight and Maguire came away the victor.
Maybe it's because I have an intense interest in half a dozen coaches but I'm impressed with how
many bloody good games there have been lately. Anyone who thinks these defence oriented games
are boring is delusional.

I hope Jennings has a blinder for you Blues devotees because Matt King is a real Origin player left out.
The type of defence King came up with is what Jennings will have to emulate and he hasn't got a
prayer. You may say the Blues are thinking of the future but that would be a novelty and Jennings has
no future in Origin

Souths management should buy a Lotto ticket in honour of Reynolds. What a great stroke of good fortune it was
to see the back of Sandow. Tonight's win was the most impressive of the season insomuch as Inglis or Taylor
weren't missed. Dragons have to get a move on in blooding at least a halfback if not a 5/8 as well to pressure Soward.

Imo Price should be given autonomy if he hasn't already got it and the Dragons don't need to go shopping for a coach,
they just need to concentrate on the production line

 

[POPEYE]

Just my opinion on some headlines without reading content. When Buhrer was picked for NSW I
thought it too good to be true for one reason. I have envisaged a worn out Buderus, an undisciplined
Ennis or Farrar the bumpstop being given a rest at some stage and Buhrer coming on as replacement.
In my dream he then takes the game by the scruff of the neck and NSW's #9 problems are solved for
the next decade. The fact that Matt Ballin may leave Manly has added fuel to my conspiracy theory.
More importantly, Stuart may need more credit for foresight than I imagined.

Ben Barba thinking he was an Origin chance is amusing. I would think Nth Korea would have to
detonate something in Q before a player who can't defend is allowed Origin status. Maybe he can find a
way to play for NSW.

I've never thought Watmough was quite up to Origin standard because of his lack of discipline at the
wrong time in the wrong place on the field. There are other players with more talent that should be
blooded and with any sort of luck Aaron Woods will find his way into the Blues never to be removed.

Wonder if anyone is taking a flu scare in Melbourne seriously. The big three have had permanent head
colds for over 5 years . . . seems a part of the landscape.

Crikey, almost forgot Storm/Broncos furore. Doesn't matter much if you're a mardis gras devotee and first past
the post is not your go as it is mine. Both these teams will welcome an excuse not to perform up to scratch so not
to give away any psychological advantage in case they meet in the 'big one'. This game is a game that is really not a game
worth mortgaging your house for

 

[no name]

IMO they should scrap the two ref system.

Seems they made less blatant errors when there was only one man in charge.

I also have to question the value of the VR ref when he can still get it wrong after watching it 1000 times.......in ultra slow motion

I agree, the VR and two ref system has led to lazy officiating from refs, they let things go in the run of play, then decide that they want a look. The Roosters no try yesterday was a perfect example.
The ref specifically asked for the VR to check the raising of the elbow, so he obviously saw it. If Mortimer gets tackled short and the dummy half scores next play, the alleged incident is null and void.
They also rely on the VR in blatant non-scoring plays to decide the re-start, which is mis-use of the concept of the VR itself.

 

[POPEYE]

Not sure whether anyone thinks it a bad or good thing but I don't think I'm imagining it when referee's
may be evening up for each other. If you thought you were a good referee and the other bloke either
inadvertently made a costly error or in your view a blatantly incorrect one, would you try and compensate
next chance you got.

If a game looks like getting a bad report due to a refereeing error would it be too tempting to find ways of
compensating. How would Harrigan feel in a debriefing if two referees admitted conspiring to 'square up'.
Maybe the video ref saw something leading up to a try that he can't rule on but he feels if he digs hard and
long enough he may find something to negate a try.

These are all a temptress of human nature but it must be remembered that before '96 a lot of decisions were
made without the benefit of hindsight that left supporters pissed off to a far greater extent than they are now.

Just as a footnote, two of the best refereeing exhibitions imo have been from the pommy bloke who refereed
the last 2 Aus/NZ games . . . by himself

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

unfortunately i think the two ref system is here to stay

what i would like to see happen is to have permanent couplings for the year, and have Ref number 1 as the permanent main Ref and Ref number 2 as the permanent Pocket Ref, that way both Refs know how the other one works, and they also only have to concentrate on one aspect of the game

by doing this it will also avoid confusion for the players, where you have two different Refs with two differing takes on the rulings

 

[POPEYE]

Looks like I may have to eat a little more humble pie. Mark Gasnier imo was never Origin quality and
just a 'good' centre at club level. I thought he was overrated because of his name and it got under my
skin a bit I must admit.

However, I'll be the first to agree he is doing an excellent job on Foxsports, both in commentary and analysis.
His interviews don't cause me to shudder as others do either. While on the subject Mad Dog McDougall is
impressive and Tallis needs to be understood to be appreciated . . . a fine combination imo

 

[POPEYE]

Kinda ironic tonight that a team expected to be a cellar dweller and now a top four prospect suffers
because of Origin. Sort of reinforces games before, during and after Origin are not real indicators of
teams that suffer because of it.

The only real definite tonight was that the Dogs had to win and by the margin they did. To be beaten
by the Sharks would have been catastrophic for Hasler. So the status quo remains the same and the
Dogs are on track and the Sharks have lost nothing

 

[POPEYE]

News today is apparently Dean Ritchie from the Tele and Michael Chammas from the Herald both awoke with their
boots under Ben Barba's bed. Seems Meninga has made a monumental blue and Ben has overnight
become a utility . . . no toilets in Melbourne aparently. All this on the back of 40 minutes of Doggie Do
reminiscent of when they played the Eels.

When Michael Crocker was asked how Reynolds would go in a Blue jersey in the future he said 'great'
. . . surprising statement from a club captain. As most great halfbacks grow in year round sunshine
Reynolds won't have to get in a long queue.

When his team mates are asked what the most valuable and imo best player on the planet thinks of
training they all raise a giggle. He may well be crook leading up to the game but if he doesn't play
NSW will be in with a huge chance tomorrow night. A fit Smith is more important to Q than Gallen is to NSW

 

[POPEYE]

Looking even more like Nine are right about relegating the Storm/Broncos game. Griffin last year denied
some stars backing up and Bellamy may do the same. This game is like a car park punch up where there
is no real winner unless there are no excuses on either side.

Pretty sure Griffin thinks his team can beat everyone else so if he wants to win the Shield he'll have to rely
on Melbourne getting beaten by someone other than Brisbane again. To me Melbourne are on shaky ground
because a few other teams have got it over them in the forwards.

Teams like Cronulla, Brisbane, Warriors, Manly, NQ have got almost enough to hold Melbourne's backs now
and the Storm can't rely on the forwards dog paddling . . . they will have to step up big time in the second half of the season

 

[POPEYE]

Amongst the first lines of the day we have Brian Smith happy Carney is moving up. We all know he's
not really moving up though don't we. Carney's just had a ball and chain that prevented him from
being what he was from the beginning removed.

Bellamy admits he got Gallen all wrong which shows he needed the time to work with players that
Meninga and now Stuart have. Harping again maybe but the man before Bellamy, Graham Murray, is
my man for the Blues coaching job and if he had been still there all this time with no other
committments Stuart would have a red hot side.

Lockyer tells NSW to send the ball wide early and Matty Johns says to take it up the middle. One who
knows but may be leading up the garden path and the other resembling a little stone statue living in
the garden who can't follow a path.

Player X believes the game has gone soft. Not sure hardheads of old would want to face Tamou with
the reputation this bloke's got with his fists, especially when cheap shots stand out like tits on a bull
with video cameras around. Speed of the modern game alone would leave players of old shoulder
charging mid air.

Last of all we have Stuart showing Mighty Duck type belief in the Blues against overwhelming odds.
Wonder do the players really believe all that shit considering there's hardly been a struck match
between Origin sides on the scoreboard for years

 

[POPEYE]

An observation from Foxsports news this morning. See Alfie langer being interviewed as Q's assistant coach.
Perfect job for a bloke that spends so much time running beside referees and only has to carry a water bottle.
The little 14th man should be fresh for Friday night's big one

 

[POPEYE]

First last night with a gutful of VB, this morning with a blue eye and later in the day with a cuppa,
chockie biscuit and a maroon eye . . . the usual for me this time of year. Having just finished watching
all blue eyed I must say Q may have been the better team but NSW were the more impressive.

Farrar made me eat my words to a large extent and Jennings might even deserve a repercharge even
though his impersonation of a second generation boat person deserved 10 minutes. Ceccin has made
it clear he is the Ian Roberts of the referees and is not afraid to make a statement.

Combinations and not knee jerking are what's needed from whoever is coaching the Blues. Impetuosity
drove NSW but nervousness was a handbrake. Uate needs to stay on position in defence and save his
eagerness for attack. Williams is a waste unless inside the twenty until he gets fit. Gallen is criminally
abused by playing him up front and it's a shame he has to be thrown into a volcano to keep the natives in line.

Tamou just lacks the extra intensity that will come quickly and he looks to become a force. Hayne was lucky
when interfering with Slater resulted in a try when he could just as easily have gone up for the ball and got a
fairdinkum result. He wants to drop protesting and play the ball quickly, worry more about what he's doing
rather than the ref. He did do enough to keep his spot imo.

Watching the Inglis try half pissed last night I thought the VR had rocks in his head but this morning
there was a case that Farrar intentionally kicked the ball from his grasp which could have been
interpreted as being a miniature chargedown. Inglis then MAY have been entitled to force the ball.
Just glad it wasn't at the other end of the field and Slater wasn't shown to be preventing a try with a kick
. . . imagine the fish'n'chip wrappers this morning.

So, imo, what we had last night was a more than admirable effort by a team only in need of consolidarity
and combinations that only time will bring against a team that perpetual motion has made the best there is

 

[POPEYE]

Third time and enough is enough. Didn't watch this time looking for a Q standout player but maybe a
player who didn't reach the usual high standard but I couldn't find one. From players such as Harrison
who wouldn't get a run in NSW through to Slater they all did what was asked of them.

Hodges mightn't have had the turn of speed necessary for Jennings who is most of the time guilty of
doing something dumb when he runs out of options anyway so it was no big deal. Once the Maroons
warmed to the task the vibes were that they were never going to lose and it was a matter of how hard
they were going to be made work. Next game could be entirely different though.

 

[POPEYE]

Well we have a lot of headlines today, some real tripe and some interesting. Remember Jack Gibson
keeping at arm's length from Ray Price because Jack considered him a meathesd and he's at it again
saying he would have led his team off over the Inglis try. Incidentally, the more I see it the more it is a
try. No-one would have followed Ray off anyway, most players always thought him a bit loopy.

Dogs signing Inu might be worth the effort with Hasler as coach but there seems to be a bit of a collection
of tightrope walkers happening in the land of drive bys. Des should know what he's doing

Gallen was a bit over the top with the referees who I thought did a reasonable job . . . yeh, I would say
that wouldn't I. Paul having to play front row was just as instrumental as any poor ref decision. He could
have caused more damage from where he plays best

 

[POPEYE]

Looks like T-Rex is going to add to the tightrope walkers at CB. If some of you expect outlandish
statements from me how about this. Imo there are some players who give out vibes their longevity in
playing the game at the highest level is in danger because of their body shape.

Mason, Idris, Taylor and Williams have to carry the extra burden of bodies wanting to grow out of
reach of the sport they play. Williams hurt his back simply by a player forced to tackle him around the
ankles due to his proximity to the line which twisted his torso . . . a tackle he rarely encounters.

Taylor always looks as though he's carrying a bag of cement everywhere he goes and I'll be surprised
if his game time doesn't drop dramatically as he gets older. Inglis might have had trouble getting back
into shape but nowhere near the trouble Idris is going to have just staying in shape.

 

[POPEYE]

The morning rags tell us the future for Jennings is bleak at Penrith. Not hard to imagine since the two
best games they've played have been without him. Getting rid of a Ferrari that constantly oils up plugs
and sticking with a trusty Hi Lux will get you much further.

Rothfield stating the obvious again. The goose is as transparent as a jellyfish. Carney can do no wrong
any more and Origin affecting clubs . . . not because of his beloved Sharks is it. Play Origin at the end
of the season where it belongs or put up with the consequences I say.

Still going on about that try that could have been and was adjudged as. Hampstead called it the way he
and many others without an agenda saw it and that was days ago. The thing that gives me the shits is
that they're now calling him Mr Bean when I gave that nickname to Badger years ago.

Stuart reported as wetting his nappy over Q bias is clearly a subterfuge. The joke is that dumbarse
reporters and commentators are running with it because they think they are smarter than the League
public. Ricky has no avenue left other than the 'hate' road. When Q were doing it against the
odds at the start of Origin in '80 they used 'hate' as an omnibus to get them where they are now.
Stuart has exhausted the 'play for your State' crap and it's take no prisoners from here on in . . .
about f**king time all the blue tears dried up.