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Rising Rabbitohs star Kirisome Auva'a in court after bashing a woman after a wedding

Nice Beaver

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Different administration.

Exactly.

If they give this prick a 4 week suspension or something like that then the shit should hit the fan, but until they hand down their punishment I think everyone should keep their powder dry.

Bottom line, I'd rather they handle every situation like this rather than a knee jerk reaction before judicial process takes place.

Did the right thing happen with Stewart and Bird? Hell no. But it doesn't mean it's right to repeat the mistakes of that f*ckwit Gallop.
 

DJShaksta

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"omg gallop is too reactive!"

"omg smith isnt reacting fast enough!"

They should've already worked out what they were going to do based on the outcome of the legal proceedings.
They should've had a number of different scenarios already laid out and then used the most appropriate one.

They've been twiddling their thumbs and now look like incompetent fools.
FFS Gallen was fined the day after his tweet.
This woman beating piece of shit's court case was settled almost a week ago and not a peep for the NRL.
It's a joke.
 

Nice Beaver

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They should've already worked out what they were going to do based on the outcome of the legal proceedings.
They should've had a number of different scenarios already laid out and then used the most appropriate one.

They've been twiddling their thumbs and now look like incompetent fools.
FFS Gallen was fined the day after his tweet.
This woman beating piece of shit's court case was settled almost a week ago and not a peep for the NRL.
It's a joke.

Aren't they waiting on informaton frm the court about the incident/hearing?

Geniune question. I thought I read that they wee waiting on that before finalising any punishment.
 

Danish

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They can wait until the court proceedings are concluded and still suspend him for a year, either way hes still getting sanctioned. Why the argument for expediency now and not 6 months ago when he made the plea? The NRL is limited by the same judicial timetable as everyone else.


They should have suspended him indefinitely until his court case. That way sentencing would have happened much quicker (you aren't stupid enough to think it was the prosecution who wanted an adjournment until after the season are you?)

Any player who pleads guilty to a violent offence should be dealt with in the same manner. Suspended indefinitely until sentencing, then decide on the length of punishment once the facts come out. Easily the most logical way to do it
 

insert.pause

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Aren't they waiting on informaton frm the court about the incident/hearing?

Geniune question. I thought I read that they wee waiting on that before finalising any punishment.

Yes, it only became available to them after sentencing and as of yesterday were still awaiting documents from the Victorian court.
 

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They should have suspended him indefinitely until his court case. That way sentencing would have happened much quicker (you aren't stupid enough to think it was the prosecution who wanted an adjournment until after the season are you?)

Any player who pleads guilty to a violent offence should be dealt with in the same manner. Suspended indefinitely until sentencing, then decide on the length of punishment once the facts come out. Easily the most logical way to do it

It wouldn't have made any difference to the judicial timetable outlined by the magistrate, who adjourned the court proceedings for 6 months for the purpose of setting him a series of instructions to fulfil before sentencing on Nov 7.
 

RWB

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"omg gallop is too reactive!"

"omg smith isnt reacting fast enough!"

Both are true. The former being the unforgivably idiotic the latter just naive.

Innocence should always be given unless proven otherwise but as soon as Avua'a entered a plea of guilty in May he lost his right to innocence and should've been stood down indefinitely pending the final outcome of is case. The punishment handed down can always be back-dated to May, there's no issue with that.

The only legitimate reason I could see for people having an issue with suspending him indefinitely until the end of the case (in this instance 6 months) is if they believed the duration of the time to be excessive of the crime committed which I think the majority of people would agree isn't the case here...
 

RWB

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I know that a lot of you guys are getting your panties in a bunch because the bloke had a good year and won a title, however that is just the luck of the draw. If he'd have stayed at the Sharks and won nothing this year, I'm sure you all wouldn't have been anywhere near as upset.

You're 100% spot on. A lot of people wouldn't be anywhere near as upset if he hadn't been involved in so much success this year.

The worst part about this is that the victim has had to watch their attacker not just continue to live their life like nothing happened but prosper and reach the highest of highs. How can you not empathise with the lack of closure that the victim would be feeling after being physically & traumatically assaulted by this guy? She said herself in court that he has had to live with no consequences.

This is something to admire about the Australian culture, we loathe it when scumbags succeed... you make it out as though we're somehow immoral for feeling that way. Do you have no compassion & empathy?
 
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You're 100% spot on. A lot of people wouldn't be anywhere near as upset if he hadn't been involved in so much success this year.

The worst part about this is that the victim has had to watch their attacker not just continue to live their life like nothing happened but prosper and reach the highest of highs. How can you not empathise with the lack of closure that the victim would be feeling after being physically & traumatically assaulted by this guy? She said herself in court that he has had to live with no consequences.

This is something to admire about the Australian culture, we loathe it when scumbags succeed... you make it out as though we're somehow immoral for feeling that way. Do you have no compassion & empathy?

I feel terribly for the victim. The fact that Auva'a has effectively had 12 months of little to no consequence would be terrible for her. Unless we find a way to speed up the judicial system, that sort of thing is unfortunate and unavoidable. Their is no upside for the victim in any of these cases but the NRL is not a court of law. If it acts before it has all the facts and the backing of a court decision, it risks being taken to court itself.
 

jc155776

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It wouldn't have made any difference to the judicial timetable outlined by the magistrate, who adjourned the court proceedings for 6 months for the purpose of setting him a series of instructions to fulfil before sentencing on Nov 7.

What a load of shite.

Defence would have asked for all the terms and longer adjournment to ensure a lighter penalty down the track. It's called distancing.

The magistrate would have allowed it being the soft c**k defenders of criminals they are.
 

The Rosco

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Aren't they waiting on informaton frm the court about the incident/hearing?

Geniune question. I thought I read that they wee waiting on that before finalising any punishment.

. . . hang on there Beave. Didn't you lose all posting rights in this thread because of your forum name ?
 
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You may find the following article which was posted on the NRL's website this morning of interest -

NRL explains Integrity Unit processes

NRL
9:00am Thu 13th November, 2014


The NRL Integrity Unity has outlined how it deals with disciplinary matters involving players.

NRL General Manager of Integrity Nick Weeks said for non-police matters, like the recent Paul Gallen tweet, the NRL is free to act immediately by issuing the player with a breach notice.

The player is then given an opportunity to put forward any mitigating factors before any penalty is imposed.

However, Mr Weeks said that, in criminal matters, the NRL is careful not to interfere with the judicial system.

"We need to ensure we don't act in a manner that influences or prejudices a criminal investigation or hearing," he said.

For matters before a court or judge or at trial, it could be considered an offence for the NRL to influence the outcome of the matter by publicly commenting.

"We need to wait and let those matters run their course, and give players the opportunity to have a fair hearing until the matter is completed," Mr Weeks said.
"Then we can assess all the factors and act."

Mr Weeks said this applied to the case involving South Sydney player, Kirisome Auva'a – who pleaded guilty to assaulting his former partner in Melbourne in January.

The NRL followed due process and waited for the court proceedings to finish.

"The NRL will now review all available material including, legal documents, and work in conjunction with the Rabbitohs to determine whether any further sanctions are appropriate," he said.
 

Jellybean

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Brad Walter ‏@BradWalterSMH 1m1 minute ago
The NRL will not conisider allowing Auva'a to play until at least round 22 next season

Danny Weidler ‏@Danny_Weidler 4m4 minutes ago
NRL show they are serious - big punishment for Kirisome Auva'a - suspended indefinitely. Seems fair.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.nrl.com/kirisome-auvaa-s...4/newsid/83019/default.aspx?cid=NRL_HP_Latest

Kirisome Auva'a suspended indefinitely

6:29pm Thu 13th November, 2014

The NRL said today that South Sydney centre Kirisome Auva'a has been suspended from the game indefinitely.

Any application to return to the game will not be considered until he has demonstrated behavioural change designed to prevent the recurrence of violent behaviour toward women.

Auva'a will be required to complete a secondary prevention counselling program adapted to his particular needs and covering issues including violence against women, alcohol abuse and anger management.

The NRL will not consider an application from Auva'a to have his suspension lifted for at least nine months. His suitability to return to the game will be determined by an NRL panel which will rigorously review his progress.

The suspension means Auva'a will miss the World Club Series, the Auckland Nines and at least 22 rounds of the 2015 Telstra Premiership.

The penalty follows an incident in January which resulted in Auva'a pleading guilty to charges of recklessly causing injury.

CEO Dave Smith said any type of violence against women was simply wrong.

He said that if Auva'a re-offended he would be banned from the game permanently.

"Let me make it clear… we abhor violence against women and it will not be tolerated in our game," Mr Smith said.

"Everyone needs to understand that if you are violent against women there is no place for you in Rugby League.

"We recognise that we also have a duty to help with rehabilitation where incidents occur and that is why it will be a condition of his return that Kirisome completes appropriate prevention treatment."

Mr Smith said the NRL and South Sydney had followed due process in dealing with the case.

This meant waiting for the case to be concluded in the courts when all the evidence and submissions could be considered. Those submissions included mitigating factors tendered in the legal proceedings which were taken into account when determining the penalty.

Mr Smith said the NRL began discussions with Souths on an appropriate sanction as soon as the matter was settled in the courts.

"The NRL puts millions of dollars into welfare programs, which include domestic violence, because there is no more important issue," he said.

"So when incidents like this occur we have a dual role – to impose strong penalties and provide the necessary assistance to stop it happening again.

"And that is what we have done in this case."
 
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