Round 21 Vs Raiders Sunday 5th August 4:10pm Panthers Stadium

[franklin2323]

MX teams don't work like that. A player can't pick himself, that's up to the coach. If a player says he is fit and is hiding an injury, that's different, that's selfish. Everybody including Gus know's Jimmy is busted, it is up to the coach to say "stand down and rest", not the player. If he says "I won't play" when he is asked then his career is over.

You're argument is unreasonable, the doctor say you can play without making an injury worse and you say "no, I think its too bad". The team would never trust you again. I notice you haven't answered the question about what happens when he does that and we lose.

I usually defend Hook when its warranted, but he has to take responsibility for this and he should be protecting the player from his own bravery. We have gained nothing by grinding Maloney into the floor for the last two weeks.....Besides two points of course.

It is no win for coaches in these situations really. Rests x player the team loses.. Why did he not pick a full strength team? Picks injured guys like this... Still cops it. It is why they are paid the big bucks I guess

 

[OldPanther]

When voting went behind closed doors he had 20 Dally M points and was in 2nd place. 6 times he had been best on the field, all of them when Cleary was injured. I'd maintain we would not have won half of those games without Maloney out there, perhaps less than that. What short memories we have.

I think people are missing the point a little. It's all about the fact Jimmy is injured now and not playing to his ability. I know the coach is picking him which means us fans should leave it alone but we can all see his form is suffering to a degree. I really don't see the harm in advocating for him to rest for a week or two so we can use him for the finals.

 

[OldPanther]

Will anyone care that we play a few guys in Round 20... If we win the comp? It is only an issue due to us struggling atm

It's more an issue because it's effecting his personal form.

 

[OldPanther]

It is no win for coaches in these situations really. Rests x player the team loses.. Why did he not pick a full strength team? Picks injured guys like this... Still cops it. It is why they are paid the big bucks I guess

Not true at all. Has anyone said this about any of the million injuries we've had this year? Not even once. The only response that ever happens is lamenting not having our full strength team and a consistent roster which can't be helped.

 

[mxlegend99]

Mx, stop saying Jimmy picks himself and so its his fault. He doesn't. If he did he would be called "Coach". You will note that he is called "five eighth" and there seems to be another bloke with the name "Coach". He picks the side. I don't think you understand what a coach does. I'm pretty sure he doesn't ask the players whether they should be picked are not.

Blaming a player for being picked is a new one on me. You could blame any player who has a bad game for having the temerity to pick themselves, why stop at Maloney. DWZ clearly wasn't fit either and had an ordinary game. That must be his fault as well.

Im not saying he's picking himself. I never did.

Im saying he wants to play and the coach takes that into consideration. Just as he did when Cleary was injured and he sat down with Jimmy about how we should procede. There's evidence of Jimmy being able to influence the team with his opinion. Because it is respected.

Stop trying to absolve him of any part in it. Both parties are responsible for Jimmy playing through injury.

 

[mxlegend99]

It is no win for coaches in these situations really. Rests x player the team loses.. Why did he not pick a full strength team? Picks injured guys like this... Still cops it. It is why they are paid the big bucks I guess

Absolute bullshit.

Picking injured players who can't do their job properly is not picking a full strength team. It's picking a team with a clear weakness.

I don't recall anyone complaining about the coach not picking Edwards, Mansour, Blake, DWZ etc. While injured. Not once. We all happily counted down the games until they were fit. And no one complained when a player returned later than expected. At worst they questioned why they were late to return.

Happened sith Wallace sho was due back one week. Then for some reason didnt and later retired. And everyone admired him for being selfless and putting the team first.

 

[betcats]

It is no win for coaches in these situations really. Rests x player the team loses.. Why did he not pick a full strength team? Picks injured guys like this... Still cops it. It is why they are paid the big bucks I guess

I’ve bagged hook the most out of anyone I think and I’ve never bagged the bloke for not picking a busted player, that’s just rubbish.

I’ve bagged him for picking blokes that look busted, never for not picking them. I’ve never seen that anywhere, player welfare is paramount these days. What you said just doesn’t make sense, mo one would bag a coach for not picking a busted player.

The coach has to listen to the doctors and player and decide whether Jimmy can do the job. It’s on him period, that’s why they get paid so much, they take responsibility for it all. From what we’ve seen the guy is liability right now but he could look better at training though who knows. I garauntee you no one will bag hook if jimmy doesn’t play, imjurues are part of the game they always have been.

 

[franklin2323]

You do realise the world doesn't revolve around this place?

I mean if we pick May over Maloney and lose. Then the players have rumblings or Gus/Board ask could x player of played? Gets a yes and goes from that

Everything in sport is a risk coaches know that. This is just another.

 

[franklin2323]

It's more an issue because it's effecting his personal form.

Again though does personal form in Round 20 matter? Or is it where it leads the team come end of the year

 

[OldPanther]

You do realise the world doesn't revolve around this place?

I mean if we pick May over Maloney and lose. Then the players have rumblings or Gus/Board ask could x player of played? Gets a yes and goes from that

Everything in sport is a risk coaches know that. This is just another.

Again though does personal form in Round 20 matter? Or is it where it leads the team come end of the year

How is Maloney playing now helping us for finals? Serious question.

You'd think in a world dominated by risk Vs reward like the NRL letting your very experienced 5/8 rest and be fully fit for the finals run/finals series would be the lowest risk for highest reward option. Both Gus and Brandy have mentioned the injuries so I doubt they turn on Griffin for resting him a week or two. I think it's the one thing fans and club would be most united on.

 

[betcats]

You do realise the world doesn't revolve around this place?

I mean if we pick May over Maloney and lose. Then the players have rumblings or Gus/Board ask could x player of played? Gets a yes and goes from that

Everything in sport is a risk coaches know that. This is just another.

We’ve taken this risk two weeks in a row and it hasn’t worked.

 

[franklin2323]

We’ve taken this risk two weeks in a row and it hasn’t worked.

We did find out Cleary works better on the left not the right. We don't find that out if Maloney doesn't play.

FTR my feelings are no one should play injured. However my coaching only covers a few u10's team and a bit on Madden.

Reality for a professional team is you Can't have one rule for one another for the rest. So either we don't play DWZ, CHN, Maloney etc. Or we play them in the hope Drs are right and we don't make them worse.

 

[franklin2323]

How is Maloney playing now helping us for finals? Serious question.

You'd think in a world dominated by risk Vs reward like the NRL letting your very experienced 5/8 rest and be fully fit for the finals run/finals series would be the lowest risk for highest reward option. Both Gus and Brandy have mentioned the injuries so I doubt they turn on Griffin for resting him a week or two. I think it's the one thing fans and club would be most united on.

We have half our spine missing due to injuries. Blake, Mansour, RCG missed long periods through injury. For all we know they might be talking about them.

Gus has also tweeted plenty about our young kids too. So he may think that is an issue too.

We have several injured. Can't just call out Maloney for playing bad when DWZ was just as bad while injured. That is the sort of stuff that turns players against coaches.

We now know Cleary is better on the left than Right. So that is something we learn't from Maloney playing

 

[umina panther]

We have half our spine missing due to injuries. Blake, Mansour, RCG missed long periods through injury. For all we know they might be talking about them.

Gus has also tweeted plenty about our young kids too. So he may think that is an issue too.

We have several injured. Can't just call out Maloney for playing bad when DWZ was just as bad while injured. That is the sort of stuff that turns players against coaches.

We now know Cleary is better on the left than Right. So that is something we learn't from Maloney playing

If this wasn't picked up after being at the club for years I want the whole staff sacked. You don't need to partner him with an injured player to learn this

 

[franklin2323]

If this wasn't picked up after being at the club for years I want the whole staff sacked. You don't need to partner him with an injured player to learn this

Moylan and Bryce both did both sides of the ruck. Every player is different though so you don't know what works or even if they will work until you do stuff on field

 

[TheFrog]

I think people are missing the point a little. It's all about the fact Jimmy is injured now and not playing to his ability. I know the coach is picking him which means us fans should leave it alone but we can all see his form is suffering to a degree. I really don't see the harm in advocating for him to rest for a week or two so we can use him for the finals.

As I've said a couple of times now, the people who make this call are the ones who know the extent of his injuries. They are in the best position to do so. If he's really being hampered by injury I'm not against resting him especially since we're playing bottom 8 sides the next 3 games.

 

[OldPanther]

As I've said a couple of times now, the people who make this call are the ones who know the extent of his injuries. They are in the best position to do so. If he's really being hampered by injury I'm not against resting him especially since we're playing bottom 8 sides the next 3 games.

I agree. Just refuting the idea that people have a problem with Jimmy in general which seemed to be what you were saying.

 

[TheFrog]

the idea that people have a problem with Jimmy in general which seemed to be what you were saying.

Not all that wide of the mark in a couple of cases I'd suggest.

 

[betcats]

We have half our spine missing due to injuries. Blake, Mansour, RCG missed long periods through injury. For all we know they might be talking about them.

Gus has also tweeted plenty about our young kids too. So he may think that is an issue too.

We have several injured. Can't just call out Maloney for playing bad when DWZ was just as bad while injured. That is the sort of stuff that turns players against coaches.

We now know Cleary is better on the left than Right. So that is something we learn't from Maloney playing

How do we know this? From 7 minutes of footy when waqa and kikau got hot? Lol yeah that's a definitive sample size, god you say some strange stuff.

 

[umina panther]

Not all that wide of the mark in a couple of cases I'd suggest.

Yep I'll put my hand straight up I never liked him as a player and I still don't but I have given him credit in the games he's actually deserved it