Round 21 Vs Raiders Sunday 5th August 4:10pm Panthers Stadium

[Blade23]

Team looks great, the bench looks great, let’s just hope they can actually play great!

I am still a bit sceptical about peachy to fullback despite a great game but I guess if he and the team can improve each week before the finals we will be in great shape.

Against the crap teams we should get away with Peach at fullback just until DWZ builds up his strength in his legs.
He had a few moments last week where he was badly caught out of position. I am sure he should be better this week, but I wouldn't want to play Peach at 1 against the Storm or the Roosters.

 

[TheFrog]

I thought I read Maloney was getting rested?

That was just a few of the fans on here. You know what Gus says, you listen to the fans you end up sitting with them.

 

[franklin2323]

That he is.
I missed last week. 2 weeks ago I saw Coleman come off the bench with May the 7 V the Knights. No Blore then though.

Ahh. Coleman popped his finger out v Knights. They couldn't get it back in so needed a week off. Given ISP is 3 wins clear at top they won't use Flegg guys if it can be helped

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Against the crap teams we should get away with Peach at fullback just until DWZ builds up his strength in his legs.
He had a few moments last week where he was badly caught out of position. I am sure he should be better this week, but I wouldn't want to play Peach at 1 against the Storm or the Roosters.

and this why DWZ is not there at the moment. The staffs are continuing to rehab him along with Maloney through this. DWZ will get miles in his legs, once that happens he's back at F/B. Peach possibly to centre or the bench.

 

[Pomoz]

Since we have picked out 'best available' roster. I'm not giving Maloney a pass for being injured. If we are picking him. He needs to perform. Simple as that.

You cant pick players you know are carrying injuries and use those injuries as an excuse for poor form. If a player isnt capable of playing at or near his best, then he shouldn't be playing at all.

Unless the injury happens during the game or if we don't have a fit alternative in our roster available. In both cases that's best for the team. Playing busted and performing like shit while fit alternatives are available is not best for the team.

There is no logic in this. Hook picks the team. He knows Maloney is busted and struggling yet still picks him. This is absolutely not Maloney's fault. Hook has form on this. He persisted with Wallace when he had a busted hand. It is a little foible of his that is a weakness. May would absolutely be a better option right now than a busted Maloney.

However, it is not Maloney's fault and he should be allowed the excuse for poor form when he is injured, but playing because he was asked to. He should be applauded, not derided. I'm sure the younger players are watching and getting a better understanding of how tough you need to be to survive in the NRL.

Talking of tough, hello Josh Dugan, how is your dandruff today? I heard it is quite itchy and you could be out this weekend because of it. Never mind, Breezers all weekend for you. Pineapple is your favourite, isn't it?

 

[mxlegend99]

There is no logic in this. Hook picks the team. He knows Maloney is busted and struggling yet still picks him. This is absolutely not Maloney's fault. Hook has form on this. He persisted with Wallace when he had a busted hand. It is a little foible of his that is a weakness. May would absolutely be a better option right now than a busted Maloney.

However, it is not Maloney's fault and he should be allowed the excuse for poor form when he is injured, but playing because he was asked to. He should be applauded, not derided. I'm sure the younger players are watching and getting a better understanding of how tough you need to be to survive in the NRL.

Talking of tough, hello Josh Dugan, how is your dandruff today? I heard it is quite itchy and you could be out this weekend because of it. Never mind, Breezers all weekend for you. Pineapple is your favourite, isn't it?

Maloney said he wanted to play because we needed his leadership. Its his choice as much as Hooks.

He wants to play and Hook picked him. No free passes for being injured. If he's the best option available he should perform as such. Or else stand aside for the best option.

Origin is long gone now. So are the excuses for being shit. 2+ months since Maloney played a great game for us. 2+ months of excuses for poor form.

 

[OldPanther]

That was just a few of the fans on here. You know what Gus says, you listen to the fans you end up sitting with them.

Well Brandy wasn't happy apparently either.

 

[mxlegend99]

Well Brandy wasn't happy apparently either.

Yeah. Brandy is angry at using injured players znf brlieves it's hurting us.

Maloney is trying to take credit for Cleary playing well too. Nevermind Jimmy being our biggest liability.

But Maloney said his mere presence had helped free Cleary up, a facet that will be vital as the Panthers look to make a deep run into September.

"His running game was back," he said.

"I think that's probably a bit of me taking a bit more pressure off him. If I can get my hands on the ball and take a little bit more control ... he can find his natural game more easily.

"Hopefully we can do that over the coming few weeks because it was great to see him back in some really nice form."

https://www.cessnockadvertiser.com.au/story/5557339/maloney-almost-back-to-full-fitness/

 

[OldPanther]

Yeah. Brandy is angry at using injured players znf brlieves it's hurting us.

Maloney is trying to take credit for Cleary playing well too. Nevermind Jimmy being our biggest liability.


https://www.cessnockadvertiser.com.au/story/5557339/maloney-almost-back-to-full-fitness/

That's funny. Looked like Cleary had to do more because Jimmy was busted. He'll have to prove his worth from here on out.

 

[Pomoz]

Maloney said he wanted to play because we needed his leadership. Its his choice as much as Hooks.

He wants to play and Hook picked him. No free passes for being injured. If he's the best option available he should perform as such. Or else stand aside for the best option.

Origin is long gone now. So are the excuses for being shit. 2+ months since Maloney played a great game for us. 2+ months of excuses for poor form.

Ok, just so I'm clear, Gus says Maloney is carrying 3 or 4 injuries and is playing busted. Jimmy says "no worries, I'll play to help the team" and he plays poorly because, well, he is playing busted. You're argument is "it's his fault, he shouldn't play if he is hurt". Let's say he doesn't play and we get lapped by Manly, what is your answer then? "Maloney is a cat, he has no ticker". This doesn't make sense and any player subjected to that logic would tell the coach to go and get "f*ed if the coach criticised their form after they agreed to help out.

I think it is obvious if we didn't have so many spine players out, Wallace, Edwards, Luai, he would have rested. We don't know, but I suspect Gus's and Brandy's comments are hinting that they think Hook has made the wrong call by not resting injured players. If you play the long game and focus on the season, I think they have a point. Maloney could have rested against Manly and the Broncos and now be coming back raring to go. The Broncos game in particular, was madness with all the travel involved, which restricted the opportunity for rest and rehabilitation. Dud call by Hook.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ok, just so I'm clear, Gus says Maloney is carrying 3 or 4 injuries and is playing busted. Jimmy says "no worries, I'll play to help the team" and he plays poorly because, well, he is playing busted. You're argument is "it's his fault, he shouldn't play if he is hurt". Let's say he doesn't play and we get lapped by Manly, what is your answer then? "Maloney is a cat, he has no ticker". This doesn't make sense and any player subjected to that logic would tell the coach to go and get "f*ed if the coach criticised their form after they agreed to help out.

I think it is obvious if we didn't have so many spine players out, Wallace, Edwards, Luai, he would have rested. We don't know, but I suspect Gus's and Brandy's comments are hinting that they think Hook has made the wrong call by not resting injured players. If you play the long game and focus on the season, I think they have a point. Maloney could have rested against Manly and the Broncos and now be coming back raring to go. The Broncos game in particular, was madness with all the travel involved, which restricted the opportunity for rest and rehabilitation. Dud call by Hook.

No. You're not clear.

Ive said it pretty f**king clearly already. Jimmy WANTS to play. Hook picks him. Both are making this decision desite a fully fit and quality option being available. Its on them both and its stupid for them both.

Since they have decided a busted Jimmy is our best option. I expect him to perform as such. If neither of them is willing to say he's busted and is a liability to the team. Then I don't think they can use it as an excuse for him playing like shit.

The team should come first. Maloney wanting to play busted is not putting the team first. If hes not able to play well it's a selfish decision. As is Hook picking him. In which case that's a shit excuse for poor form.

 

[TheFrog]

Well Brandy wasn't happy apparently either.

So is Greg dipping his toes into club politics here or what? I don't think I like the sound of this.

 

[umina panther]

Jimmy is just scared he'd never get his spot back

 

[OldPanther]

So is Greg dipping his toes into club politics here or what? I don't think I like the sound of this.

It kind of sounds like it. I hope they haven't lowered themselves to high school drama levels behind the scenes haha.

 

[Pomoz]

MX teams don't work like that. A player can't pick himself, that's up to the coach. If a player says he is fit and is hiding an injury, that's different, that's selfish. Everybody including Gus know's Jimmy is busted, it is up to the coach to say "stand down and rest", not the player. If he says "I won't play" when he is asked then his career is over.

You're argument is unreasonable, the doctor say you can play without making an injury worse and you say "no, I think its too bad". The team would never trust you again. I notice you haven't answered the question about what happens when he does that and we lose.

I usually defend Hook when its warranted, but he has to take responsibility for this and he should be protecting the player from his own bravery. We have gained nothing by grinding Maloney into the floor for the last two weeks.....Besides two points of course.

 

[TheFrog]

Besides two points of course.

Competition points seem to be the only medicine. Watch all our issues disappear if we win our next 3 games against also-ran sides.

 

[OldPanther]

MX teams don't work like that. A player can't pick himself, that's up to the coach. If a player says he is fit and is hiding an injury, that's different, that's selfish. Everybody including Gus know's Jimmy is busted, it is up to the coach to say "stand down and rest", not the player. If he says "I won't play" when he is asked then his career is over.

You're argument is unreasonable, the doctor say you can play without making an injury worse and you say "no, I think its too bad". The team would never trust you again. I notice you haven't answered the question about what happens when he does that and we lose.

I usually defend Hook when its warranted, but he has to take responsibility for this and he should be protecting the player from his own bravery. We have gained nothing by grinding Maloney into the floor for the last two weeks.....Besides two points of course.

We wouldn't be talking about Maloney if we lost because he'd be on the injured list boyend "shame he wasn't available".

 

[TheFrog]

I usually defend Hook when its warranted, but he has to take responsibility for this and he should be protecting the player from his own bravery.

I would agree, but we mere mortals don't know the extent of Maloney's injuries. Toe ligaments, or maybe something else? Looked like he had gone a few rounds with Tyson at his peak the other day, must have copped a high shot or three.

 

[mxlegend99]

MX teams don't work like that. A player can't pick himself, that's up to the coach. If a player says he is fit and is hiding an injury, that's different, that's selfish. Everybody including Gus know's Jimmy is busted, it is up to the coach to say "stand down and rest", not the player. If he says "I won't play" when he is asked then his career is over.
He made it clear he wants to play. Jimmy is not being pressured to play. The coach has picked a guy who wants to play. This decision is on both of them.

An established player will not have his career ended by putting his team first and telling the coach he's a liability. The coach and club would be screwed if they tried that. Players do it all the time for various reasons.

You're argument is unreasonable, the doctor say you can play without making an injury worse and you say "no, I think its too bad". The team would never trust you again. I notice you haven't answered the question about what happens when he does that and we lose.

No you're being unreasonable and missing the point still. I am not saying his injury is likely to get worse.

He's either our best option at 6 and should be judged as such. Or he is a liability and shouldn't be playing.

Since both Hook and Jimmy think we need him in the team, I don't think it's reasonable to then blame his form on an injury both parties were happy for him to play with. You can't have it both ways. Pick him and then say well he was shit but its not his fsult. He's injured.

It is his fault. And Hooks. Because they know damn well he is hurt. If they're going to ignore his injuries.. so am I.


I usually defend Hook when its warranted, but he has to take responsibility for this and he should be protecting the player from his own bravery. We have gained nothing by grinding Maloney into the floor for the last two weeks.....Besides two points of course.

Bravery? Plahing on with an injury to help your team save an interchange and/or shuffle is brave. Requesting to play when you're not the best option is just stupid and/or selfish.

 

[mxlegend99]

We wouldn't be talking about Maloney if we lost because he'd be on the injured list boyend "shame he wasn't available".

I dont remember being mad at Mansour for Crichton playing. Or DWZ/Edwards for Philips playing.

No one was. We sll just wanted ghose guys fully fit and playing for us again.

If your choice at 6 is between s budted Jimmy or a fit May. I like our chances at winning with the fit guy who is unlikely to miss 40% of his tackles.

What happens if we lose because Jimmy misses 10 tackles? Losing because we had an injured guy who couldnt tackle. A far more likely scenario. Especially against the Raiders pack