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Round 24 v Dogs

sea dragon

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Vaughan is a massive lost.
We need to bring Host back onto the bench, need his size and strength.
JP to miss out.
Use the rotation Host, Latimore, Luc + Lawrie - 20 minutes each
Graham + LAM 40 minutes each
Backrowers full 80 minutes - if we need to give one a rest extend Luc's minutes
Go Drags!
 

Life's Good

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If we can muster the ticker like we did vs. Tigers Id expect us to get home seeing it will be at a packed Kogarah.
I would like to have seen Pereira in the run on side with Lomax getting a go over Aitken or Lafai.
Without Vaughan & (suspected injuries) to Frizz & JDB our forwards have our work cut out for them. Hopefully we can take an early lead & hang on.
I have a feeling Hunt will bounce back.
Go Dragons.
 
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aquiin

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We coped it with some poor decision making from Pereira against Parramatta, but weren’t targeted much against the Tigers. I don’t understand the unnecessary risk against Jackson, Holland and Smith. We took a risk with Pereira when it was necessary but if Nightingale is fit, he is clearly the preference on the right with Macdonald back on his preferred left wing.

Macdonald had to do more work than anyone last week and his lack of fitness was showing throughout the second half. He could be vulnerable to any issues. This is Nightingale’s role, especially if the forwards are gassed early. With the flexibility of Frizell starting at prop and Mann in the starting side, I think the bench will be the same as last week Ah Mau, Latimore, Lawrie and Field. The slight tweak could be Lawrie in the first half and Latimore in the second half, if we are lucky enough to avoid runs of penalties and sin bins.

Personally I would still like to see Lomax there on the right heading into the finals, but I have no doubt he will be there next year, probably swapping with Aitken according to the scenario. A lot of the outside backs will be closer to debut with a full season of ISP. This is very much like how the NRL squads used reserve grade between 1998-2004 before reserve grade as well as the NRL started to lose players overseas. The talent pool from under 18s on started to skip directly into first grade squads. If they are backing ISP to boost development in any way (I highly doubt it will be as successful), this is the likely pathway for players. There will be calls for all sorts of players to jump into first grade, but clubs will be conservative and give them time at ISP level.
 

j0nesy

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I've heard similar statements before and always ask myself; why/how did we come to this conclusion? Maybe it is to do with history, maybe it is to do with the perception of the coaching staff's ability or maybe it is just that people did not think the players had it in them.

Based on roster pre-season I predicted 6th. Based on coach with roster I predicted 8th.

The players played out of their skins for more than half the season and we lead the comp. However, they were conditioned to peak early season. That combined with poor use of interchange during matches, lack of reserve rotation and pushing players through niggling injuries has resulted in a tired looking team.

I don’t mean to be negative but I think the slide was inevitable. While there were some signs against the Tigers that have turned it around, I’m not convinced we can sustain it.

JDB looks busted to me as does Graham. Friz looked good last match but looked tired in previous games. LAM doesn’t seem to be making the post contact meters he was. Simms still looks ok. Widdop looked tired before injury and I fear we’ll rush him back, same goes for Vaughan (too late already happened). Hunt is struggling mentally more than anything as is Dufty. Nene is returning from injury, not quite 100% yet. The other centres and wingers have been inconsistent all season, so hard to guage.
 

Crush

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Based on roster pre-season I predicted 6th. Based on coach with roster I predicted 8th.

The players played out of their skins for more than half the season and we lead the comp. However, they were conditioned to peak early season. That combined with poor use of interchange during matches, lack of reserve rotation and pushing players through niggling injuries has resulted in a tired looking team.

I don’t mean to be negative but I think the slide was inevitable. While there were some signs against the Tigers that have turned it around, I’m not convinced we can sustain it.

JDB looks busted to me as does Graham. Friz looked good last match but looked tired in previous games. LAM doesn’t seem to be making the post contact meters he was. Simms still looks ok. Widdop looked tired before injury and I fear we’ll rush him back, same goes for Vaughan (too late already happened). Hunt is struggling mentally more than anything as is Dufty. Nene is returning from injury, not quite 100% yet. The other centres and wingers have been inconsistent all season, so hard to guage.
Saw Graham in the gong yesterday eating Mexican food. He looked angry. But after telling my friend this he said Mexican is angry food. You can't eat a burrito without an angry look on your face. It actually made sense.....
 

getsmarty

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Dragons eager to build on Wests Tigers victory
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On the charge: Tyson Frizell is confident the Dragons are building towards their best. Picture: AAP Image/Dean Lewins.

St George Illawarra might be back in the top four after Saturday’s gritty victory over the Tigers, but Dragons players know there is still much to work on as the NRL finals approach.

While pleased to return to the winners circle for the first time since round 19, the players recognise Saturday’s performance was still well below what they were delivering earlier in the season.

For the third-straight week, and fourth time in five games, a player was sent to the sin bin as the Dragons conceded a string of penalties and the team’s attack was scratchy at times, with halfback Ben Hunt having one of his worst games in the red and white jersey.

While happy to get the victory, forward Tyson Frizell acknowledged the team still has plenty to work on against the Bulldogs this weekend.

“It definitely felt like the team that we had been throughout the start of the year, just the feeling out there at stages in the game,” Frizell said.

“The last couple of weeks we had probably been at a loss when that adversity had come our way. We’ve still got a long way to go in terms of being the team we know we are, but it was a step in the right direction.

“On the weekend, it was a good step in terms of confidence and getting back to where we want to be, but we’ve still got to fix a few areas up in terms of our attack and our penalties. In terms of holding the ball and our effort areas in our defence, it was pretty good on the weekend.”

With Gareth Widdop sitting on the sidelines with a shoulder injury, utility Kurt Mann stepped into the five-eighth role and delivered a starring performance.

Mann was pleased with his performance, but for him the most impressive aspect of the victory was the effort of his teammates to repel wave after wave of Tigers attack.

“Everyone turned up for each other,” Mann said. “There just seemed to be white jerseys everywhere, when people were making half breaks or there just seemed to be a ball on the ground, the boys were everywhere this week.

“It was a six-nil penalty count at the start of the game and we just felt like we were defending our line for the first 20 minutes and we just kept turning them away.”

The Bulldogs have emerged as somewhat of a bogey team for the Dragons in recent years, with St George Illawarra fans still hurting from last year’s round 26 defeat that knocked the side out of the top eight.

While the players won’t take any extra motivation from last year’s loss, Frizell said it will serve as a warning sign of what the side can do if the Dragons don’t turn up to Jubilee Oval 100 per cent focused.

“They’ve got us a few times,” Frizell said. “They got us in the finals series a few years ago and knocked us out to make the finals last year, so, they’ve been a bit of a bogey team for us in the past.

“You don’t really look back at that, wanting to get one back on them, you just want to go into the game and perform as well as you can as a team and hopefully the result comes with that and that’s what we’ll be doing.”

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5601046/foundations-laid-as-dragons-look-to-build/?cs=3713
 

getsmarty

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Dragons bring in top whistleblower to address penalty pile-up
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VISITOR: Top referee Gerard Sutton oversaw a Dragons opposed session on Thursday. Picture: NRL Photos
DRAGONS coach Paul McGregor has taken a drastic step to address the ill-discipline that’s plagued his side over the last seven weeks, with top referee Gerard Sutton brought into to oversee Thursday’s opposed session in Wollongong.

It follows a run that’s seen the Dragons lose four players to the sin bin in their last five games, three of them for repeated infringements, with halfback Ben Hunt was dispatched 12 minutes into the second half of his side’s win over the Tigers on Saturday.

McGregor said in the post-match presser that he would make inquiries “through the proper channels,” after the Dragons conceded the first six penalties of the game.

Hooker Cameron McInnes was also marched in the Dragons heavy loss to the Eels two weeks ago after conceding a seventh unanswered penalty in the opening 25 minutes, while Jack de Belin copped 10 minutes against the Cowboys in round 19.

The ill-discipline has been the common denominator in a run that saw McGregor’s men win one of six games before righting the ship against the Tigers last Saturday.

Veteran winger Jason Nightingale made no secret of the fact Sutton’s visit was an effort to remedy what’s increasingly become the Dragons Achilles heel.

“It’s obviously why [Sutton] and the boys were here,” Nightingale said.

“It was strictly business this morning because we have been giving away way too many penalties and we want to know why and how to fix it.

“At the start of the year we were doing everything
, we were making our lines, we weren’t making high tackles and our discipline was in check.

“It’s about fixing those areas and making sure we can get back to where we were at, making our lines, not giving away offside penalties, not leaving, all those things we were doing well.

“We pride ourselves on that and we’ve gone away from it the last eight weeks and definitely getting the referees in to perhaps coach us a bit better will hopefully help us do a little less tackling.”

Nightingale will return from a neck injury against Canterbury on Sunday, a match that could see the Dragons push the side who knocked them out the finals race last season closer to the wooden spoon.

Nightingale insisted a thirst for revenge isn’t driving his side, but said the Bulldogs remain an equally dangerous proposition this weekend.

“They’ve been playing like they’re having fun and you can tell when teams have loosened the reins and there’s a little less stress around the place,” Nightingale said.

“They know what they’re going to be doing in two weeks time and they knew what they were going to be doing this time last year.

“It’s not their fault we played bad. You can’t say ‘you guys played too well so we need to get revenge on you’, it’s about us playing better and we need to play better.

“You don’t hold grudges against teams that play well on a day when it was meant to be about you. In a fairy tale world they would’ve laid down for us last year and we’d have walked into the eight but that’s not the way competitive sport works.

“This weekend won’t be any different, they’re enjoying their footy, they’re playing without any inhibitions and they’re a dangerous team because of that.”


https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...tleblower-to-address-penalty-pile-up/?cs=3713
 

SBD82

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Saw Graham in the gong yesterday eating Mexican food. He looked angry. But after telling my friend this he said Mexican is angry food. You can't eat a burrito without an angry look on your face. It actually made sense.....
Was it Zambrero? I always get angry when I am hungry for a good burrito and have to settle for their shitty excuse for Mexican.
 

2010

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I won't hit reply on getsmarty's post but I was wondering why was that ref bought in to a training session.
Didn't we hire someone to address the penalties and help to avoid those penalties.
 

41yearsaint

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I won't hit reply on getsmarty's post but I was wondering why was that ref bought in to a training session.
Didn't we hire someone to address the penalties and help to avoid those penalties.
Agree, surely there is a cost. Between that, the Terrigal jaunt and Labrador. Has to add up to a quality signing?
 

ouryears

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Mo
Nightingale will play on the wing. Its his farewell home game. It will lift the whole side as they will be playing for nighty. As much as I think nighty is about our 5th best option at wing at the moment i agree with this selection for what it will do for the moral.
I am comfortable with it.
Morale......
 

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