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Round 4 Vs Manly

Girds89

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No I wasn't I was starting a conversation on Edwards being tested for fullback. Crichton won't ever do that and I do say that confidently after 1 game.

Staines I have seen play fullback and I say it because that's his natural position and says the guy saying Burton should go to fullback just because you are a fan.

Not saying it cause I'm a fan at all.

Saying it because imo it's the best fir for the team atm.

He will be better than both sweeping in backline plays. He can kick,clearly is a freak ball runner and has great vision and has always had safe hands.

Brandy said pre game he can play fb.

So no, absolutely nothing to do with being a fan.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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My feeling is that Ivan will give Crichton another shot in the 1 and name an unchanged side, provided Kenny is available. If Kenny is suspended and May fills the 9, that will complicate matters. Burton might be the 14.





defensively and positionally Crighton did very well. Staines needs to put on some muscle before playing fullback for a whole game. Sure use him in attack at times like what happened tonight. Staines playing a whole game at fullback would be an issue for him being 'rag-dolled' in defence.

More than happy with tonights win.
 

franklin2323

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Was enough to make most on here think he'd be an instant superstar at fb and be knocking Dylan off.

Those same people have lost faith after 1 game and are know saying Staines after 5 a min cameo against cellar dwellers

both Crichton and Staines are Jersey Flegg age. Staines played 100 mins of footy last year. Hasn't played fullback since Sept 2019.

The Manly try came on the back of a Staines error. As well as he was as much to blame for the 40/20 as Crichton

So neither option is quite ready yet. We won by 40 so the same 17 will get picked and both will be better for the run

177 running metres and 1 error from Crichton is reasonsble enough
 

WestyLife

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Not saying it cause I'm a fan at all.

Saying it because imo it's the best fir for the team atm.

He will be better than both sweeping in backline plays. He can kick,clearly is a freak ball runner and has great vision and has always had safe hands.

Brandy said pre game he can play fb.

So no, absolutely nothing to do with being a fan.

You're saying he should replace the fullback, centre and second rower. Drop anyone to keep him.

As for fullback Staines has more experience than any of the options outside Edwards.

Player of the year in the position.

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2020/06/04/panthers-number-two-try/
 

franklin2323

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BxTom

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Was enough to make most on here think he'd be an instant superstar at fb and be knocking Dylan off.

Those same people have lost faith after 1 game and are know saying Staines after 5 a min cameo against cellar dwellers
Exactly.
 

Girds89

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You're saying he should replace the fullback, centre and second rower. Drop anyone to keep him.

As for fullback Staines has more experience than any of the options outside Edwards.

Player of the year in the position.

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2020/06/04/panthers-number-two-try/

I'm well aware of Staines feats. Nrl is another kettle of fish. Seen plenty of players win awards and can't cut it in nrl. Masada iosefa being #1.

I'm not saying Burton should replace anyone. I'm saying he needs to be in our full strength 17 and I named the blokes who imo are in the pressure cooker.

I gave reasons why he should be fb whilst Dylan is out.

He looked 10x more dangerous than critta tonight. Why wouldn't you want him at fb where he'd get his hands on the ball twice as much in open space....

Charlie isn't ready for fb yet. For someone who watches apparently as much footy as you do it should be obvious.

The flash stuff he'd kill it at is only 10% of being a fb. How do you think he'd go tackling a break away forward one on one in comparison to Burton?

Anyway, great win by the boys. It was nice to see some new set plays tonight.
 

WestyLife

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The try against Dragons doesn't count then?

Still didn't think he was a world beater and Aekins was preferred. I thought he MIGHT work there due to his physical attributes and he still might but there are people who already know the position Vs having to learn it.
 

Girds89

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Still didn't think he was a world beater and Aekins was preferred. I thought he MIGHT work there due to his physical attributes and he still might but there are people who already know the position Vs having to learn it.

Some blokes don't need to learn positions and can just play there. Footballers like tmay for example.
 

mxlegend99

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Did you miss last season?? You’re hyper critical
Have you missed this season? Your head is buried in the sand. He's our worst back so far this season. Only stat he's close to the top of leading is errors

We must have traded him for his brother.
 

WestyLife

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I'm well aware of Staines feats. Nrl is another kettle of fish. Seen plenty of players win awards and can't cut it in nrl. Masada iosefa being #1.

I'm not saying Burton should replace anyone. I'm saying he needs to be in our full strength 17 and I named the blokes who imo are in the pressure cooker.

I gave reasons why he should be fb whilst Dylan is out.

He looked 10x more dangerous than critta tonight. Why wouldn't you want him at fb where he'd get his hands on the ball twice as much in open space....

Charlie isn't ready for fb yet. For someone who watches apparently as much footy as you do it should be obvious.

The flash stuff he'd kill it at is only 10% of being a fb. How do you think he'd go tackling a break away forward one on one in comparison to Burton?

Anyway, great win by the boys. It was nice to see some new set plays tonight.

You mean like the 100kg Kenny Bromwich who he took one on one in the much faster and harder game last week?
 

The_Frog

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110 points scored, 16 points conceded. The Panthers have given the Sea Eagles their biggest hiding at Lottoland. It is a great feeling.
I didn't realise this was Manly's biggest ever loss at Brookvale in 75 years, and by a team that didn't really play all that well. The previous was 39 in 1963. It only equalled our biggest win at the ground, as we beat Northern Eagles 68-28 in 2002.
 

age.s

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The flash stuff he'd kill it at is only 10% of being a fb. How do you think he'd go tackling a break away forward one on one in comparison to Burton?

I think he'd do fine. His defense on bigger men has been good so far this year.

Stopping a breakaway forward is like 1% of the defensive work required by a fb anyway. How would he go organising a defensive line. Cleaning up grubbers. Jumping into the defensive line in our own 10m. Positioning to stop 40 20s. I dont think its clear that Burton would do better in any of them, particularly when Staines speed will tend to cover up some technical deficiencies. Getting a good look at Staines in the position is more important too given he'll actually be here longer term.

Whoever it is will be keeping the spot warm for Dyl anyway so it's hardly the biggest issue.
 

Girds89

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You mean like the 100kg Kenny Bromwich who he took one on one in the much faster and harder game last week?

You mean when he jammed in and hit Bromwich who didn't see him coming from side on lol....

Ok, lol your right westy. He'd be better at tackling a runaway forward than Burton at the back hahahah. Just a bit different to hitting Kenny from side on not looking but we'll done..

Look at the last no try we saved. Olam just ran through him like paper.
 

Jane Murray

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Perfect Panthers put Sea Eagles to the sword
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Penrith's lethal left edge of Viliame Kikau, Jarome Luai and Brian To'o put a sorry Sea Eagles outfit to the sword with a 46-6 win at Lottoland on Thursday night.

Luai set up three tries, Kikau and To'o each bagged doubles while makeshift left centre Matt Burton crossed for one as Manly's right side defence was cut to ribbons in ruthless fashion.


The 40-point loss is Manly's biggest ever at their home ground which was once a fortress but now holds few fears for visiting teams.

Halfback Nathan Cleary wasn't heavily involved in the attacking plays but kicked brilliantly throughout with both high and short kicks causing the Manly backs endless headaches.

Manly showed little spirit for the fight in a sorry opening to the game and also have injury woes with Morgan Boyle (dislocated shoulder) and Moses Suli (knee to the back) failing to finish the game while a hobbling Dylan Walker was subbed off in the dying minutes.


Match: Sea Eagles v Panthers
ROUND 4 - THURSDAY 1ST APRIL

FULL TIME

Home Team

Sea Eagles

Scored6points

Away Team

Panthers

Scored46points

Venue:Lottoland, Sydney


Panthers coach Ivan Cleary described the performance as "very professional", paying credit to Manly's efforts to fix up a shocking early error rate to finish with an even share of the ball and an 80 per cent completion rate.

"Apart from their start I thought they actually played all right, they completed at 80 per cent for the game," Cleary said.

"Possession was similar until the end. I was pretty happy actually."

The early signs from Stephen Crichton at fullback and Burton at left centre were promising, with the pair likely to retain those roles against the Raiders next week.

"It was OK. It should get better," Cleary said.

"When you get changes, even the mental challenges of this week, it tests your systems around players coming in and out. It does test your culture and it stood up tonight for sure.

"It's early days but happy with what I've seen. You don't win the comp in March."

Cleary also admitted some confusion over a call in the second half to take play back a full set to penalise Mitch Kenny for a crusher tackle and put him on report.


"I've never seen that before. Obviously [the referee has] got a call from above," Cleary said.

"I thought I've maybe seen before where they put someone on report on the run. They obviously saw something in it."

A huge score was in the offing early as Manly produced close to the worst 20-minute period of any side so far this year, making five errors in their first 10 sets.

They meekly handed Penrith a 22-0 lead in 23 minutes that the 2020 runners-up didn't have to raise a sweat to earn, compounding schoolboy errors with awful defensive reads.

A drop from a Cleary bomb in the third minute allowed To'o to cross out wide from the scrum and a nice interchange of passing in the middle from Isaah Yeo and James Fisher-Harris put Moses Leota over in the 11th.

Kikau showed incredible hands to scoop up a Luai grubber that Manly failed to defuse to score in the 17th before To'o bagged his second from a superb Matt Burton long ball in the 24th.

Manly's interchange players were the first to show any fight for the home side with Sean Keppie standing in a tackle and producing a late offload to Cade Cust that caught Penrith off guard, with the utility scooting 20 metres to score next to the posts.

Josh Aloiai produced some huge charges and Keppie all but scored himself not long after but couldn't quite get the ball down as Manly restricted the deficit to 16 at the break.

Kikau, fresh off passing a half-time HIA, crashed over for his second early in the second half and Burton made it five of six tries scored on the left edge when he cashed in on a period of sustained pressure in the 63rd minute.

Individual brilliance from Cleary to regather his own short grubber then re-kick the ball off balance set up Kurt Capewell in the 68th before Charlie Staines – moved to fullback for the final few minutes of the contest – showed some serious pace to put Paul Momirovski over to seal the huge win.

There was one final dash from the Panthers as Cleary almost scored in the final seconds but was taken out off the ball by Daly Cherry-Evans and instead added two points from in front.


The Panthers are now 4-0 for the season - the first time since 1997 they have won their opening four games.
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Girds89

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I think he'd do fine. His defense on bigger men has been good so far this year.

Stopping a breakaway forward is like 1% of the defensive work required by a fb anyway. How would he go organising a defensive line. Cleaning up grubbers. Jumping into the defensive line in our own 10m. Positioning to stop 40 20s. I dont think its clear that Burton would do better in any of them, particularly when Staines speed will tend to cover up some defensive deficiencies. Getting a good look at Staines in the position is more important too given he'll actually be here longer term.

Whoever it is will be keeping the spot warm for Dyl anyway so it's hardly the biggest issue.

Well he missed the 40/20 tonight. He barely seems to talk at all out there. He knocked on a simple grubber in goal under no pressure before regrounding, he made a mistake which lead to manly try, he can't be relied on to bring grubbers back because he'd get push back in goals.....

Far out, I rate the kid but why put needless pressure on him this early. Bar a few nice touches tonight he has looked a little tentative and nervous in all games so far.
 

Luke Bowden

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Have you missed this season? Your head is buried in the sand. He's our worst back so far this season. Only stat he's close to the top of leading is errors

We must have traded him for his brother.

He’s the worst back in an undefeated NRL side that has scored 110 and conceded 16 points after 4 games.

You’re accusing him of ripping the club off and are saying that we would have been better off losing him.

We are undefeated, even elite players go through slow patches, especially ones playing out of position or in new attacking patterns.

Take a chill pill and back him to start ripping teams apart.
 

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