Round 6 vs Manly

[Frank Facer]

Bad calls even themselves out over a year.

Exactly, good teams don't give a hoot about bad decisions. Good teams are resilient, not bitchy victims like a lot of supporters are. We did great to overcome a host of bad calls.

Last night's refereeing was disgraceful. Many others on this site have pointed it it here too. It should have been a sin bin for the trip. The Penalty to Parker in the play the ball was a shocker. Anyone would have thought the refs were trying to help Manly win last night's game.

We did well to win, despite the refs last night.

 

[j0nesy]

He is co-captain, along with McInnes and Frizell

https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2019/04/16/tripadeal-nrl-team-announcement-round-6-v-sea-eagles/

Regardless of this, every player and referee sees him as a leader.

Haha, yeah I know. I was taking a bit of a swipe at the fact we have so many captains

 

[Carlton]

Hey mate, yeh individual games can be a little one sided at times, but longer periods of time I'm sure it evens out.

Absolutely, people can express opinions. However I feel the *way* people express them about refs is that the refs are secretly against us and this perception imbalance that makes people feel that we are on the bad end of the stick more than others clubs.

1. Of course they should be questioned by fans, and all involved... improvement can be made this way. But honestly refs have and will always make mistakes...it's just the same as you, I, and players. EXACTLY THE SAME. We are all fallible. I make stupid basic mistakes all the time. We all do. Refs do too. Players kicking out on the full from a kickoff. Simple goal kicks missed like last night and by South's halfback against manly a few weeks ago. Simple dropped balls...just like last night from preirera. It all happens. Refs are no different.

The expectation of near perfection of refs from ppl in the game is a big problem. The way I see it is that every game is just that: a game. And a game is like a drama, a spectacle...in the same way a theatre play is a drama. The point of a drama is to get the emotions ramped up. Good, bad, fortune, misfortune, etc are all involved. That IS the drama. That IS the game. When a ref makes a bad call that IS a part of the drama/game. Sometimes it stirs negative emotions, sometimes it stirs good emotions (e.g. Morris not be called he was out of play before our first try in 2010 GF... Big day for a lucky call).

It sucka when they go against us, but that happens to every team at some point. Such is life.

2. Of course the crowd can boo. The crowd are spectators but also part of the drama as well. The booing can perhaps influence the refs, it can fire up their team, etc.

The victim BS im talking about is about getting too caught up in bad calls and forgetting they go both ways at the end of the day (or year haha). It's allowing bad calls make one feel smaller and less empowered, rather than a non-victim player who will perceive this bad call as just another test to see how committed, resilient, and badass they are.

There is only one way: onwards. Moaning has no place.

Go get some!

Refs are paid professionals and if they are not performing its fair enough for fans to call out a poor performance. You are right they are only human and will make errors but the thing that upsets fans the most is inconsistency, some teams and some players are 100% given more latitude than others.

Part of the problem is the idea that Bill Harrigan pushed about interpreting the rules and whether the situation needs to be taken into account. Without the rules there is no game, just apply them. For years Greg Inglis pushed through the ruck and walked off the mark to get an advantage and I cant ever remember him being penalised. Cameron Smith consistently throws forward passes from dummy half and is almost never pulled up for it. Billy Slater scored a lot from kick chases and many times was marginally in front of the kicker.

And then we come to Tyson Frizell who is suspended for touching the ref to avoid running into him. How many others have touched the ref since then and escaped punishment?

You cant let bad calls detrimentally affect your effort but you also shouldn't just wear it.

 

[j0nesy]

What the hell lol

My point being that we have too many captains. It seems to me that we’re trying to keep a few guys happy. I should have said “only captain”.

 

[Frank Facer]

How much better does Luciano look playing in the Middle
He will grow in confidence week by week if Mary utilises him this way
The last 2 weeks our centres are also holding solid in defence
Don't know if it's an improvement or just the opposition but it looked good

I agree that Lucky's future lies in the middle. I can see him developing into a very good prop.

 

[Warabrook saint]

Refs are paid professionals and if they are not performing its fair enough for fans to call out a poor performance. You are right they are only human and will make errors but the thing that upsets fans the most is inconsistency, some teams and some players are 100% given more latitude than others.

Part of the problem is the idea that Bill Harrigan pushed about interpreting the rules and whether the situation needs to be taken into account. Without the rules there is no game, just apply them. For years Greg Inglis pushed through the ruck and walked off the mark to get an advantage and I cant ever remember him being penalised. Cameron Smith consistently throws forward passes from dummy half and is almost never pulled up for it. Billy Slater scored a lot from kick chases and many times was marginally in front of the kicker.

And then we come to Tyson Frizell who is suspended for touching the ref to avoid running into him. How many others have touched the ref since then and escaped punishment?

You cant let bad calls detrimentally affect your effort but you also shouldn't just wear it.

Exactly some seem to be more 'evened' out than others

 

[getsmarty]

Golden point glow has Dragons' self-belief sky high
Author
Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
Timestamp
Sat 20 Apr 2019, 11:41 PM

The confidence St George Illawarra players gained from back-to-back golden point victories against Brisbane and Newcastle gave them the belief to snatch a last-gasp 12-10 win over Manly at WIN Stadium on Saturday night.

Rookie winger Mikaele Ravalawa secured a fourth consecutive win for the Dragons when he swooped on a Ben Hunt grubber kick to score in the 78th minute after centre Tim Lafai had missed a penalty goal that would have levelled the scores just two minutes earlier.

Dragons coach Paul McGregor admitted it had been a tough match to watch but said: “They can keep winning late if we keep winning them”.

McGregor was unhappy with a lopsided second-half penalty count against his side, who were forced to make 72 more tackles than the Sea Eagles.

However, he was proud of the effort by his players, who fought their way back into the game through defence after Manly captain Daly Cherry-Evans put his side in front with a 59th minute try.



Hunt lays on the match-winner on for Ravalawa

“There was a lot of resilience in what we have done,” McGregor said. “We really didn’t get much go our way tonight.

“Every time we built momentum around the ruck we didn’t get anything for it, we brought line speed and we got no reward for that.

"There was a 6-0 penalty count in the second half so to find that desire and that resilience in our defence when we needed to and to have that energy at the right time of the game you get them rewards and them wins.”

Veteran prop James Graham led the way in defence after the re-start following Cherry-Evans’ try and it set the tone for the other Dragons forwards to follow.

“It was a good group effort,” Graham said. “We saw an opportunity there to put some pressure on with our defence and credit to the boys for doing that.

“We have been in a few tight games this past month and managed to find something to get the wins so that is a really positive sign to have the composure to come up with the play for the try at the end and not get frustrated, not to overplay too much.

“It was very intense, the first half especially. It would have been easy for us to throw in the towel but we stuck to our plan and got home at the end there.

“I’d like to think that even if we hadn’t won those games we would still have the confidence and the belief that we were going to come up with the win.”



Hunt and Dufty combine for the opener

Hunt laid on both Dragons tries with kicks, with fullback Matt Dufty pouncing on a grubber in the 17th minute and Ravalawa doing the same two minutes before fulltime.

“They kept putting the fullback in the line and it just presented an opportunity,” Hunt said. “It was one of those games where our attack was a bit scrappy and they were defending really well so I felt that our best opportunity was just to kick in behind them.

“There was no panic, we just had to fight to try and find something, and we had to do it with our defence. We just wanted to kick down there end and just try to ramp up the defence.”


https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2019/04/21/golden-point-glow-has-dragons-self-belief-sky-high/

 

[Dragsters]

Missed the game live due to a function.

Managed a media ban and just watched the replay.

What a gutsy effort!

Particularly late in the second half when the team fought through fatigue to hammer the eagles inside their own 10, set after set, on the back of a majestic kicking game from Hunt.

The line speed from Macca, Vaughan and Jammer was awe-inspiring.

Just dunno why Mary didn't bring Lomax on to replace Host who was clearly carrying a shoulder through the last 15 minutes. Could have been a costly mistake.

Very impressive effort across the park.

Hunt played all over cherry imo...

GO THE MIGHTIES!!!

 

[gitano]

Last night's refereeing was disgraceful. Many others on this site have pointed it it here too. It should have been a sin bin for the trip. The Penalty to Parker in the play the ball was a shocker. Anyone would have thought the refs were trying to help Manly win last night's game.

We did well to win, despite the refs last night.

It was poor refereeing all night wasn't it.
The thing most obvious is those refs didn't have a feel for the game.

But, the Parker penalty was fair enough.
Yes against run of play but we lost that play the ball, Euie actually slid over him and lost body position. It should never have happened in that situation.

Manly had a clear plan to rush our outside backs hence it being so kick heavy. Was a huge win in the end.

 

[since77]

I must’ve watched a different game.

Last night, McInnes was exceptionally quiet and often went the wrong way at dummy half.

No spark (again), just tackling.

It wasn’t his best game at all,

Wow. Yes you must have watched a different game. Mc Innes was one of our best last night.

 

[ozbuck]

Refs are paid professionals and if they are not performing its fair enough for fans to call out a poor performance. You are right they are only human and will make errors but the thing that upsets fans the most is inconsistency, some teams and some players are 100% given more latitude than others.

Part of the problem is the idea that Bill Harrigan pushed about interpreting the rules and whether the situation needs to be taken into account. Without the rules there is no game, just apply them. For years Greg Inglis pushed through the ruck and walked off the mark to get an advantage and I cant ever remember him being penalised. Cameron Smith consistently throws forward passes from dummy half and is almost never pulled up for it. Billy Slater scored a lot from kick chases and many times was marginally in front of the kicker.

And then we come to Tyson Frizell who is suspended for touching the ref to avoid running into him. How many others have touched the ref since then and escaped punishment?

You cant let bad calls detrimentally affect your effort but you also shouldn't just wear it.

Refs are paid professionals...just like football players are..who also make mistakes EVERY game. As do taxi drivers, politicians, bread makers, CEOs, you and I.

They should be held accountable and fans can call out bad performances...I agree 100%

All I'm saying is that bad ref decisions are always going to occur in every game, just in the same way bad dropped balls are going to happen.

It's all a part of the game. And the more focus has become zero'd in on referee decisions, video refs, trying to eliminate bad decisions altogether, using better technology, super slow motion, more referees on the field, etc... The more we've done this the more people feel angered and get wound up about bad decisions. In the early-mid 90s bad decisions happened throughout a game but nobody dwelled on it as much as they do today... They JUST GOT ONE WITH IT at the end of the day and the game felt more free flowing, open, and exciting. Today everyone wants to find a reason to feel hard done by...sometimes even if they win the game Haha it's incredible.

Next time we get a bad decision I'm gonna be annoyed, but I'm going to realise it was just our turn and it's all part of the drama too. It's always been that way and always will be.

 

[gitano]

I must’ve watched a different game.

Last night, McInnes was exceptionally quiet and often went the wrong way at dummy half.

No spark (again), just tackling.

It wasn’t his best game at all,

Haha yes I'm not sure what or who you were watching.

 

[avocado]

Last night's refereeing was disgraceful. Many others on this site have pointed it it here too. It should have been a sin bin for the trip. The Penalty to Parker in the play the ball was a shocker. Anyone would have thought the refs were trying to help Manly win last night's game.

We did well to win, despite the refs last night.

Manly dead set should have got a penalty in that last play.

 

[Brutalitops]

Manly dead set should have got a penalty in that last play.

Yep, no point dwelling on it now but it's a textbook escort. Somewhat bewildered there are some here that dispute this, Lafai clearly goes out of his way and stops, never looking at the ball. It's okay to admit that and still be glad the result went our way.

We got the short stick all game though so I'm not fussed. That's league, it happens

 

[avocado]

Yep, no point dwelling on it now but it's a textbook escort. Somewhat bewildered there are some here that dispute this, Lafai clearly goes out of his way and stops, never looking at the ball. It's okay to admit that and still be glad the result went our way.

We got the short stick all game though so I'm not fussed. That's league, it happens

Bad calls even out in the long term.

Some teams deal with it better than others. We tend not to.

 

[Willow]

Bad calls even out in the long term.

Some teams deal with it better than others. We tend not to.

Seriously? Our team copped a lop-sided penalty count in the second half and still managed to win. I'd say 'we' handled it just fine.

So Manly got a dud call with no time left on the clock. And they were whinging about it deluxe, while we were celebrating.

 

[Lovemedragons]

You obviously didn't read it.

I may of gone off early on the bench stuff, apologies for that.

 

[ChocOConnor]

I didn’t watch the game last night so decided to watch the reply.

And by all the uproar I am thinking that The Lafai issue was a monumental decision that cost Manly the game.

Do people or so called experts watch the game. Let’s call it a penalty how did it cost manly anything.

Things even up over the year we will get a bad call as we did in this game and we will also get a good call here and there but the way people were going on about it I was thinking are you serious

We made 75 more tackles had 44% of Possession and lost the penalty count 10-6.

I am hoping the bad calls are only what our no idea coach has cause we are at a disadvantage already with him running the show.

 

[getsmarty]

NRL admits referee ‘got it wrong’ in stunning Manly escort robbery
Sea Eagles

• April 21, 2019 1:19pm
• Simon Brunsdon@simonbrunsdon
• Source: FOX SPORTS

Daly Cherry-Evans of the Sea Eagles shows his frustration as he speaks to referee Dave Munro after the controversial non-call.Source: Getty Images
NRL football chief Graham Annesley has admitted referee Dave Munro should have blown a penalty in the controversial finish to Saturday’s clash between Manly and St George Illawarra.

The Dragons were leading by two points when it looked like centre Tim Lafai blocked Sea Eagles winger Reuben Garrick from making a clean jump at a Daly Cherry-Evans kick.

Cherry-Evans appealed to Munro for a penalty but the Manly captain was ignored, and the game finished 12-10 in favour of the Red V. Coach Des Hasler later said he would contact referees boss Bernard Sutton to question the decision.

If a penalty was blown the Sea Eagles would have had the chance to kick a conversion and send the game to extra time.

Fox Sports’ chief NRL reporter James Hooper told Triple M on Sunday Annesley admitted Munro erred in the non-decision.

“I’ve spoken to the NRL’s head of football Graham Annesley this morning, and the Manly Sea Eagles fans are going to be screaming blue murder because he’s admitted the referees got that wrong,” Hooper said.

“It should have been a penalty and Daly Cherry-Evans and the Sea Eagles should have been given the rights to lock the score up at 12-all.

“In relation to what happened I thought Daly was respectful and handled it as best he could in testing circumstances, but from Graham Annesley it was an error by the referees, they got that one wrong. It should have been a penalty.

“You can imagine that conversation with Des Hasler is going to be a fun one.”

Cherry-Evans was filthy with the call on the field but it couldn’t be overturned.

Hasler was equally bemused when he spoke post-game.

“That last kick, the escort, I will be taking that to Bernie Sutton because that sort of goes directly in the face of what they were talking about as far as running defenders off the ball. I thought it was questionable,” Hasler said.

“It’s not consistent with what they’ve been saying.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/0a2586763d350de2fa96575d9baa49df

 

[avocado]

Seriously? Our team copped a lop-sided penalty count in the second half and still managed to win. I'd say 'we' handled it just fine.

So Manly got a dud call with no time left on the clock. And they were whinging about it deluxe, while we were celebrating.

Read my post again.

I said “We tend not to” meaning we usually drop our bundle after a bad call or two. Thankfully last night wasn’t the case.

How many times in the past have we got a dud call or two and gone to shit? Plenty.

Hopefully we have turned the corner now we have “stability”.