Round 9 v Tigers

[herbert henry1908]

We have an X-factor. Jarome Luai.

He needs to be unleashed NOW. We surely can’t play any worse........

Yeah I’d bring him in too, move Maloney on.

Not a knock on Maloney, he’s given his all, but we need to start building for next year.

Cleary as a coach needs specific players in his team to make up for his shortfalls.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Key areas that need to be addressed in the makeup of the squad

We need some pace in the backline

We need some X factors, guys that can create tries for themselves

Need a new prop or two, most of ours are below par

And Egan either needs to start running more or we find a hooker who can

 

[age.s]

I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to seeing Luai. On one hand I really like him as a player and he does something to fill the creative void in the halves. On the other hand too many players have gone sharply backwards this year for me to have any faith that we'll see the Luai we hope to see.

 

[mxlegend99]

I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to seeing Luai. On one hand I really like him as a player and he does something to fill the creative void in the halves. On the other hand too many players have gone sharply backwards this year for me to have any faith that we'll see the Luai we hope to see.

Luai has really only had one exceptional game so far. He has shown he has the talent. But he needs to play NRL regularly to develop.

He's about the same age guys like Cronk were when becoming regular NRL players. Time to go all in on him.

2016 we went all in on Nathan after an average start to the year. Despite Soward having something to offer still. Although Moylan was basically playing 1, 6 and 7 allowing Carty and Cleary to focus on their strengths most weeks.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to seeing Luai. On one hand I really like him as a player and he does something to fill the creative void in the halves. On the other hand too many players have gone sharply backwards this year for me to have any faith that we'll see the Luai we hope to see.

It’s more about building for next year than anything, I don’t expect he’ll radically transform the team.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ok i misread our announcement about Martin and Maloney charges. Both pleaded guilty to tackle on Hodgson. Jimmy is challenging the 'chicken wing' tackle only.

So Martin is definitely out this week. Jimmy depends on whether he beats the charge.

 

[Pomoz]

Did you hear Gus yesterday when the Dragons scored their second try?

He was saying, as a coach, he would be shouting “don’t pass the ball”, “take the tackle”, “don’t look for support”! Explains where our attack went!! The adlib has been coached out of them

Well, Gus wasn't the coach so bang goes that theory. I have watched Gus coached sides on TV and live. Ad-lib is certainly not coached out of them by him.

 

[Pomoz]

Our players are really struggling and we are poorly coached. I am not disputing that.

However we had 61% of the ball against 12 men at one stage on Saturday and still couldn't score.

That problem, not scoring in the oppositions red zone has plagued us for a few seasons. I don't think Ivan should take the blame there. Maloney hasn't suddenly forgotten how to create tries, but Cleary has very limited vision and when you are passing the ball to carthorses with feet for hands, you will struggle to score unless the opposition miss a tackle. We have no pace. The pace we did have, Ivan has managed to remove. Blake is now marginally quicker than Mansour. Aekins is the only one who looks fast and agile. Maybe NSW cup have different fitness and conditioning staff.

 

[Pomoz]

Because we're stuck picking from a limited squad.

If Brian Too were an option you pick him in a heartbeat. I dont care why Mansour is playing shit. Only that he is playing shit and has been below average for 12+ months now.

We have better players who arent an option. Thats not Ivans fault. Thats the reality of the top 30 Gus built for us.

Ivan has failed spectacularly so far. But he was also kind of setup to fail. This top 30 is weak as f**k and oyr finals hopes ride on our best ~13 players being fit and in form.

Ivan has to cop some blame for not seeing our flaws until it was too late. But I dont see how we can fix them this season

I'm not letting Ivan off by saying he was set up to fail. He lost two bench players, CHN and Peachey and one starting player, Merrin. This side is perfectly capable of performing better with decent coaching, conditioning and game plans. You don't make the semi's 3 in a row and then suddenly you are wooden spoon material without some serious problem with the coaching.

 

[mxlegend99]

I'm not letting Ivan off by saying he was set up to fail. He lost two bench players, CHN and Peachey and one starting player, Merrin. This side is perfectly capable of performing better with decent coaching, conditioning and game plans. You don't make the semi's 3 in a row and then suddenly you are wooden spoon material without some serious problem with the coaching.

Peachey is more than just a benchie... although you make out as if the bench isnt a crucial part of a side. Which is bullshit. The bench is important.

Peachey was Hooks fix it last year and started the majority of games he played with us. He played centre, fullback, half and was only on the bench a couple of times... where he often proved to be s match winner. In 2017 he was only benchie when we had internationals hanging out our ass and they ended up being dropped to start him too.

He would be in our centres without doubt. As for CHN... He would be huge to have right now. He's going awesome in a starting role at the Dogs. But hey we have the superstar Fuimaono now.

We started 2017 off with 2 wins and 7 losses..after being premiership favorites. We ended up making the finals... but you would have to apply that statement to 2017 in Round 9. Or rather round 10 at halftime when we were down by 20 odd points.

If the only reason for playing badly is coaching issues. Then obviously Hook was an issue in 2017 too. Only we then made the finals and everyone likes to pretend it never happened that way in 2017. In Round 9 we were 15th:



Nevermind the superior roster we had in the same position as now.



22 nil at halftime against us... that roster is much better than what we have now..a week later though this happened:



A 22 point deficit at halftime... we suddenly comeback to win our third game in Round 10. Carty starring in that match.

Round 11 a similar story... down heaps at halftime before Moylan stars in a comeback victory.

We don't have close to the quality of that roster this year. Yet Hook still found himself in the same position Ivan is in.

There's more to it than coaching. Although coaching is an issue too..100%. Off field drama is an issue. A shitty overpaid roster is an issue. Letting star depth players go is an issue. Letting top 17 rep players go is an issue. Etc.

 

[BxTom]

RCG has a problem with his thumb and is being sent for scans.
Still waiting to hear on Kikua and Tamou.
Very concerned for Kikau.

If RCG extracts it from his butt his performances will improve...

 

[franklin2323]

Peachey is more than just a benchie... although you make out as if the bench isnt a crucial part of a side. Which is bullshit. The bench is important.

Peachey was Hooks fix it last year and started the majority of games he played with us. He played centre, fullback, half and was only on the bench a couple of times... where he often proved to be s match winner. In 2017 he was only benchie when we had internationals hanging out our ass and they ended up being dropped to start him too.

He would be in our centres without doubt. As for CHN... He would be huge to have right now. He's going awesome in a starting role at the Dogs. But hey we have the superstar Fuimaono now.

We started 2017 off with 2 wins and 7 losses..after being premiership favorites. We ended up making the finals... but you would have to apply that statement to 2017 in Round 9. Or rather round 10 at halftime when we were down by 20 odd points.

If the only reason for playing badly is coaching issues. Then obviously Hook was an issue in 2017 too. Only we then made the finals and everyone likes to pretend it never happened that way in 2017. In Round 9 we were 15th:

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Nevermind the superior roster we had in the same position as now.

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22 nil at halftime against us... that roster is much better than what we have now..a week later though this happened:

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A 22 point deficit at halftime... we suddenly comeback to win our third game in Round 10. Carty starring in that match.

Round 11 a similar story... down heaps at halftime before Moylan stars in a comeback victory.

We don't have close to the quality of that roster this year. Yet Hook still found himself in the same position Ivan is in.

There's more to it than coaching. Although coaching is an issue too..100%. Off field drama is an issue. A shitty overpaid roster is an issue. Letting star depth players go is an issue. Letting top 17 rep players go is an issue. Etc.

7 from that team still are here. look at the strike power in that team compared to now

 

[Westernised Panther]

This must be a record! There’s already 8 pages for a game thread, yet the team hasn’t even been announced.

 

[hindy111]

How much would Phillips and May been on $400k?

Manly are $660k under the cap due to cap breaches

Have out DCE, Walker, Taufua, Tom Tbojevic out what is that maybe $3m under the cap out?

Yet they are running 6th. Compare that to our minor injuries before now. So yep a well coached team can overcome roster holes

Eels have had both Browns out all year and atleast one middle forward. Mannah,Alvaro,Tepai,Manu,Terepo, Jnr all missed time.

The coach is playing predicatable and safe footy. You need a bit more spice tomwin nrl games then 5 hit ups and bomb or throw to Kikau.

 

[Bob]

This must be a record! There’s already 8 pages for a game thread, yet the team hasn’t even been announced.

That’s because most of it is off topic shyte

 

[Luke Bowden]

As much as this season is sucking. I’m pumped to watch Luai have a crack this weekend.

 

[Pomoz]

Peachey is more than just a benchie... although you make out as if the bench isnt a crucial part of a side. Which is bullshit. The bench is important.

Peachey was Hooks fix it last year and started the majority of games he played with us. He played centre, fullback, half and was only on the bench a couple of times... where he often proved to be s match winner. In 2017 he was only benchie when we had internationals hanging out our ass and they ended up being dropped to start him too.

He would be in our centres without doubt. As for CHN... He would be huge to have right now. He's going awesome in a starting role at the Dogs. But hey we have the superstar Fuimaono now.

We started 2017 off with 2 wins and 7 losses..after being premiership favorites. We ended up making the finals... but you would have to apply that statement to 2017 in Round 9. Or rather round 10 at halftime when we were down by 20 odd points.

If the only reason for playing badly is coaching issues. Then obviously Hook was an issue in 2017 too. Only we then made the finals and everyone likes to pretend it never happened that way in 2017. In Round 9 we were 15th:

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Nevermind the superior roster we had in the same position as now.

View attachment 29561

22 nil at halftime against us... that roster is much better than what we have now..a week later though this happened:

View attachment 29562

A 22 point deficit at halftime... we suddenly comeback to win our third game in Round 10. Carty starring in that match.

Round 11 a similar story... down heaps at halftime before Moylan stars in a comeback victory.

We don't have close to the quality of that roster this year. Yet Hook still found himself in the same position Ivan is in.

There's more to it than coaching. Although coaching is an issue too..100%. Off field drama is an issue. A shitty overpaid roster is an issue. Letting star depth players go is an issue. Letting top 17 rep players go is an issue. Etc.

I gave you a like just for the effort that went in that post mx. I don't disagree that Griffin's sides struggled at times, but the effort and fitness was there and he had to replace Soward and Wallace during his tenure. All the players we had in 2017 are now more experienced battle hardened first graders. Hook had a much younger, inexperienced side.

Sorry mx, the excuses don't cut any ice with me. They are less fit and looking like a rabble. The tinkering with position changes haven't worked and the coach keeps playing the same conservative crap.

One thing about Hook I did like, besides his brutal fitness regime, he would have no hesitation in debuting some juniors to shake things up.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Peachey is more than just a benchie... although you make out as if the bench isnt a crucial part of a side. Which is bullshit. The bench is important.

Peachey was Hooks fix it last year and started the majority of games he played with us. He played centre, fullback, half and was only on the bench a couple of times... where he often proved to be s match winner. In 2017 he was only benchie when we had internationals hanging out our ass and they ended up being dropped to start him too.

He would be in our centres without doubt. As for CHN... He would be huge to have right now. He's going awesome in a starting role at the Dogs. But hey we have the superstar Fuimaono now.

We started 2017 off with 2 wins and 7 losses..after being premiership favorites. We ended up making the finals... but you would have to apply that statement to 2017 in Round 9. Or rather round 10 at halftime when we were down by 20 odd points.

If the only reason for playing badly is coaching issues. Then obviously Hook was an issue in 2017 too. Only we then made the finals and everyone likes to pretend it never happened that way in 2017. In Round 9 we were 15th:

View attachment 29560

Nevermind the superior roster we had in the same position as now.

View attachment 29561

22 nil at halftime against us... that roster is much better than what we have now..a week later though this happened:

View attachment 29562

A 22 point deficit at halftime... we suddenly comeback to win our third game in Round 10. Carty starring in that match.

Round 11 a similar story... down heaps at halftime before Moylan stars in a comeback victory.

We don't have close to the quality of that roster this year. Yet Hook still found himself in the same position Ivan is in.

There's more to it than coaching. Although coaching is an issue too..100%. Off field drama is an issue. A shitty overpaid roster is an issue. Letting star depth players go is an issue. Letting top 17 rep players go is an issue. Etc.

Does anyone actually have time to read this?

 

[TheFrog]

Yeah I’d bring him in too, move Maloney on.

Not how the club see it, or else they'd have had him plead guilty. Suspect Jimmy will beat the remaining charge and rip Wests to shreds on Friday.

 

[Bodhi]

As much as this season is sucking. I’m pumped to watch Luai have a crack this weekend.

Hold your horses! We won’t see Luai if Jimmy beats his charge at the judiciary which I suspect he will..