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Rumoured and Confirmed Signings and More Crap V

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born an eel

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I've never understood why this academy idea is seen as so innovative when we've always had one sinc ethe Brian Smith days, it just wasn't called that.

But your argument doesn't make sense, it's to ensure that that the talent pool doesn't dry up. So that when we do lose players to cashed up clubs we have aduqate replacements ready to step up.
there will be no talent pool to draw on if other clubs offer big money to the academy "graduates" just as they are ready to break into the bigtime, just as we are looking at doing to the cowboys after they have developed Jason Taumalolo.
 

Eels Dude

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there will be no talent pool to draw on if other clubs offer big money to the academy "graduates" just as they are ready to break into the bigtime, just as we are looking at doing to the cowboys after they have developed Jason Taumalolo.

That could turn out to be true and it is a bit of a double standard in a way. But I think the idea is that we develop enough players that when we DO lose a few players, then we have the adequate backup to take their place. It's nothing new or original and sounds like what we've had before but under a different name, but I think that's the general idea behind it.
 

B-Tron 3000

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The general idea behind it is that it always costs more to pinch a player than to keep him.

There's no cap on development and infrastructure, so if a young bloke is comfortable, the environment is good, and he's getting opportunities he'll generally stay for less than he'd move.

Giving us more cap space to pinch blokes.

Not to mention that if they're in our system we can evaluate them more easily.
 

EelDredd

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According to "The other site" Beau Scott will be an Eel in 2013 and apparently we could be after Dave Taylor?
 

84 Baby

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Yeah, cos they're so often right...
It's not that they're wrong. They probably throw up as many rumours as you'd find here. The difference is here rumours are met with quiet hope or loud scepticism, while on that site it's met with 8000 posts of people blowing their load over the 'signing' and not letting go of the slight chance that said player may still sign 18 months after the initial rumour was posted.

Optimism and Eels should not be in the same forum together.
 

bartman

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With no room for optimism - and as we're so often told here no room for "negativity" - that doesn'ty really leave much :lol:
 

Poupou Escobar

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I've never understood why this academy idea is seen as so innovative when we've always had one sinc ethe Brian Smith days, it just wasn't called that.

It's not seen as innovative; it's just something we've lacked since Brian Smith, and has put us behind all the better organised clubs.

just as we are looking at doing to the cowboys after they have developed Jason Taumalolo.

But the Cowboys will at least get this year out of him (on peanuts) when he could well play at Origin level this season. If they'd pushed him into a longer contract before he'd gotten the chance to demolish Toyota Cup teams on national TV then they'd get this year and next year out of him cheap, plus they'd be in the driving seat to be able to say - this year - that he could have an upgrade if he also signed an extension.

And the Eels wouldn't have any power to influence those negotiations as we currently do.

Of course, that was probably their plan anyway - Taumalolo is still eligible for NYC this year and if he hadn't been so dominant as an 18 year old they might have been able to extend his contract last year. As it was, his performances got other clubs interested meaning it would have been a no-brainer for his manager to wait and test him on the open market.

And like has already been pointed out, if he's happy at the Cowboys then they'd only have to match offers from other clubs or just come close.

I can't see how they will "lock it up". There are several salary caps that you are restricted by.

You sign him to a tiered contract so that he complies with the salary caps as he moves through the age groups.

You can not just sign every good prospect to long term contracts and the kids themselves will not short change themselves.

It comes down to who is the better - and more convincing - judge of the player's talent; the coaching staff or the player's manager. And the fact that you negotiate this contract while the player is young means that the influence of other clubs (through their own interest in the player) on negotiations is minimised.

If you can identify an SG Ball player as an almost certain future NRL player, and are able to enter into contract negotiations before other clubs have been able to get a proper look at him (as in, proper enough to be willling to commit salary cap space via a contract), then you're in the driving seat as far as contract negotiations go - 99% of the time a young player will take the first serious contract he is offered, and the managers (if any) of school-aged players never have a firm idea of what the player is worth so they are likely to encourage him to take the contract.

"A bird in the hand" and everything...

Of course, if you allow a player to come off contract at the same time as he is carving up in under 20s (e.g. Tony Williams) then of course the player's manager will be in the driving seat, and he will play the many newly interested clubs off against each other in the race for the biggest deal.

But ideally, when he is dominating the NYC and other clubs start ringing his manager to make offers, ideally his manager will have to tell those clubs "Sorry, the Eels have him locked up for another two years."

Eventually you'll have to get into a bidding war but by then he's an established first grader and you will have already planned to allocate that amount of cap space to him. With a bit of luck (and influential team mates in his ear) you can get him to sign an extension while he still has a year to run - before other clubs are making serious offers - just like we did last year with Loko, Allgood and co.
 

Eels Dude

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It's not seen as innovative; it's just something we've lacked since Brian Smith, and has put us behind all the better organised clubs.


Yeah and that was Fitzy's fault. Cut the club's budget by a LOT and also made a lot of redundancies in that period cause of the pokie tax. Kind of set us back a few years but it wasn't a coaching issue. We seem to be on the right track now but by going back and combining the leagues club and football club CEO's role into one that conflict of interest could re-occur.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yeah and that was Fitzy's fault. Cut the club's budget by a LOT and also made a lot of redundancies in that period cause of the pokie tax. Kind of set us back a few years but it wasn't a coaching issue. We seem to be on the right track now but by going back and combining the leagues club and football club CEO's role into one that conflict of interest could re-occur.

I think it could reoccur at any time anyway. As fans we're just lucky that right now the people running the club (including those employed in management roles) are prioritising long term on-field success highly. That could all change either next election, or when key staff (e.g. Kearney) come off contract.

After any of these changes the club could shift to a focus on short-term on-field success or even to financial strength regardless of on-field results.

Remember, since we won our last premiership, Manly have gone broke twice. But they've also won four grand finals.
 

IFR33K

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SMH believes parra are well into negotiations with SK about extending till the end of 2016.

Thoughts??????
 

Poupou Escobar

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see where we are sitting in Round 26 this year

Unless other clubs are already looking to sign him for 2014.

The Bulldogs signed Hasler for 2013 at the end of last year and ended up getting him straight away. How can you expect a coach to give 100% to the long-term development side of the club when he knows he won't be there next year?

If Kearney agrees to coach another club when his contract with us expires hopefully he spends that final year (2013) training his replacement (Brad Arthur?) like Bennett did with Price.
 
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