Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and General Drivel XV

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah, or Sterlo. What a stupid question Gary.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah, or Sterlo. What a stupid question Gary.

OK then, what about Braith Anasta?

 

[IFR33K]

Now that the dogs have terminated the fifita contract, I wonder how long before they start circling around tedesco or hayne.

The nrl needs to start looking at serious cap concessions for clubs like the tigers and eels for home grown players.

Also think these concessions for juniors should replace third party sponsorship. I think they need to go altogether.

 

[Noise]

Now that the dogs have terminated the fifita contract, I wonder how long before they start circling around tedesco or hayne.

The nrl needs to start looking at serious cap concessions for clubs like the tigers and eels for home grown players.

Also think these concessions for juniors should replace third party sponsorship. I think they need to go altogether.

On MMM this morning Matty Johns reckons the have tigers offered a 4 year deal to Tedesco that was way too low and the Bulldogs will have a crack at him. As long as they keep their grubby mits away from Hayne

 

[IFR33K]

Yep, it's becoming a disgrace. There's not enough incentive for a club like the dogs and roosters to produce their own, nor is there enough incentive for us to pay them top dollar.

Won't be long before we are fighting to keep kelepi, pauli, Paulo, peni and co.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Yep, it's becoming a disgrace. There's not enough incentive for a club like the dogs and roosters to produce their own, nor is there enough incentive for us to pay them top dollar.

Won't be long before we are fighting to keep kelepi, pauli, Paulo, peni and co.

We can't keep these guys. We've got guys to upgrade like Peats and Semi. Can't keep them all.

 

[Gronk]

Yep, it's becoming a disgrace. There's not enough incentive for a club like the dogs and roosters to produce their own, nor is there enough incentive for us to pay them top dollar.

Won't be long before we are fighting to keep kelepi, pauli, Paulo, peni and co.

There was talk over the weekend for a rookie/U20's draft. It will even out the spread of talent and stop teams like the Roosters warehousing the best talent.

 

[spiderdan]

There was talk over the weekend for a rookie/U20's draft. It will even out the spread of talent and stop teams like the Roosters warehousing the best talent.

i was very surprised that terry hill was able to successfully challenge the draft the nswrl had about 20 years ago.

from memory he was successful because of restraint of trade or something along those lines and not being able to make potential income as a free agent. i'd say the nrl, if they were to adopt a draft, would need to make provisions in their legals saying it's a requirement for players to either enter the league through the draft or to be eligible for nrl, need to have played in a senior affiliated league (or senior level of another code) for a couple of years beforehand. maybe?

the other thing with having a draft, you would have the lower grades that are well supported by some clubs maybe losing out on money because their would be no point in supporting your lower grades if the draft was in control of where they ended up. i don't have a problem with that. i said a while back that the arl should have been running all the lower grade/feeder comps as our club for example was pissing away around $2m a year (circa 08/09) compared to a club like manly that was spending about $50k but other clubs were benefiting from our club's investments.

 

[jk13]

if the nrl controlled but couldnt afford it, then you would have each club contribute an equal amount. obviously some dont get value for money by not getting the top draft picks, but then they are already successful and the cycle of hills and valleys will see them receive benefits on the down turn later

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Should never have a junior draft as it just help clubs that are lazy and feeding off others.

There is plenty of juniors out there for clubs that only have a small junior base they just need to get out there and look for them.

I think the bigger issue is helping clubs keep juniors they have developed

 

[Twizzle]

Yep, it's becoming a disgrace. There's not enough incentive for a club like the dogs and roosters to produce their own, nor is there enough incentive for us to pay them top dollar.

Won't be long before we are fighting to keep kelepi, pauli, Paulo, peni and co.

If you look at the money the dogs allegedly offered Fifita, you can basically ignore the salary cap if you have enough 3rd party sponsors as there is no limit or cap on 3rd party payments at this stage provided the club stumps up an amount equal to the players valuation which is subjective and based on the opinion of Schubet's sucessor

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

If you look at the money the dogs allegedly offered Fifita, you can basically ignore the salary cap if you have enough 3rd party sponsors as there is no limit or cap on 3rd party payments at this stage provided the club stumps up an amount equal to the players valuation which is subjective and based on the opinion of Schubet's sucessor

You can't possibly limit the amount of genuine 3rd party deals. It would last <3 minutes in court. You can limit the nature of such deals (so that if the player was paid to advocate torturing rabbits or similar he might be in breach of his NRL contract, for e.g.), but you can't limit how much the player earns outside football.

The problem for Shooey MkII will be assessing the fair market value of a player if the majority of top quality players are getting significant 3rd party deals. It's easy enough if there's only a few....coz you can say 'Well, this year's SoO left centre is on $600k, and the right centre is on $400k for salary cap purposes....something is wrong'. But if both assessable salaries are distorted, that gets harder.

 

[emjaycee]

NRL should set salaries for all types of players, including reps, juniors, stalwarts, etc.
then let 3rd party deals top them up to an unlimited amount.

 

[Chipmunk]

There was talk over the weekend for a rookie/U20's draft. It will even out the spread of talent and stop teams like the Roosters warehousing the best talent.

I do not know how a Rookie / U 20s draft would actually work in Rugby League.

The most notable sports that have a draft for young players are probably the AFL and the NFL / NBA in the USA. All of these sports essentially have organisations with 1 team in the organisation. The AFL does have an affiliation with a VFL team, but this is similar to the NSW Cup and most of the clubs in the VFL have no junior teams below that level. The College sports system is perfect for a rookie draft into the NFL/NBA

Why would club's like Parra, Penrith, Canberra and a few others get players into their junior rep system in the Under 16's and 18's for every single one of them to have to go into a draft for all 16 clubs to choose from once they reach the Under 20s?

So if Rugby League was to have a rookie draft it would mean that you would have to abolish the junior rep structure or change it completely.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

OK then, what about Braith Anasta?

I could see the logic behind it. That's all it takes to be a reasonable signing.

How it panned out in reality would determine whether or not it was a good signing, and that's a judgement to be made in hindsight.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We can't keep these guys. We've got guys to upgrade like Peats and Semi. Can't keep them all.

We'll replace them with the blokes coming through. Have you seen the under 15s side? Absolute guns.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So if Rugby League was to have a rookie draft it would mean that you would have to abolish the junior rep structure or change it completely.

There's a fair argument for having the NRL run it rather than the clubs. It would stop the clubs with a large junior base from having an unfair advantage.

 

[Gronk]

Some kid debuting for Panthers this week called Dallin Watene-Zelezniak. Good luck calling that name, FoxSports.

 

[lingard]

That's a far point - but like lingers said, Ken "The Mayor of Parramatta" Thornett never won a title, but he has a stand named after him, and those fortunate enough to have seen him play day he was the greatest.

Forget Hayne's captaincy or his off-field antics - his attributes are incredible. The size of a forward; the speed of a back; and the skill of a half. I have not seen too many Eels who combined all these traits so well.

And I certainly can't recall too many Eels who won World Cups and NSW's best player in different positions to where they play at a club level.

I respect people's opinions, and I understand my statement is controversial, but in my mind, Hayne is a freak and a once in a lifetime talent.

I saw Ken Thornett play. A long time ago, obviously. It wasn't just his ability as a footballer (which was remarkable), but the overall effect he had on the team. They were a far better side when he was on the field. He was very inspirational. Same as Jarryd Hayne. Personally, I can't split them. To me, Jarryd Hayne IS Parramatta. Same as Thornett was.
Now, it's funny because Thornett wasn't the automatic first choice Australian fullback. He competed at various times with Les Johns, Keith Barnes, Graeme Langlands. And, of course, Hayne has to compete with Slater, Stewart, Dugan, etc. There are a lot of similarities between Hayne and Thornett.
Ken Thornett was a prolific catcher of 'bombs'(up-and-unders, in those days); he was an impeccable defender; and he chimed into the backline with great precision, setting up his wingers or slicing through to score himself. He was big for a fullback, and strong. Like Hayne. Hayne probably possesses more athletic brilliance, but I can't split them.

 

[lingard]

Actually, Hayne probably has more versatility than Thornett did. To my knowledge, Thornett never played wing or centre (or five-eight) - at least, not with Parramatta. Thornett played Union before League, but I'm not sure what position.
But Ray Price might shade both of them as the best Parramatta player ever. He had everything - speed, agility, toughness, defence and attack; as well as a good football brain. He was a great lock-forward, when a lock forward was a lock-forward. I think Mick Cronin is the best centre I have ever seen from any club in any era, but he is just behind those three for best ever Parra player.
So, I'm nominating three players from three different eras - Thornett, Price and Hayne.