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hindy111

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I knew someone would bring up Semi, but...

When you find someone in Fiji at age 19 playing Union, it can hardly be considered coming from the Parramatta junior district.

I was referring to our juniors in our nursery. We have no one in the backline whatsoever. That is disgraceful for a club like Parra. We should have a centre, winger or even a fullback. They are the easiest positions to develop early and most good ones start showing their talents in their teens and get a shot here and there while still in their teens, rather then early to mid 20's.

We have two at the club who have been put in firsts this week, but they are hardly of true first grade standard. If they are the pick of the bunch, f**k have we go problems.

Not one people, not one.


Im prepared to give it time.Penrith did the same as we have but 1-2 yrs before.They are only starting too see some young guys come thru now just like us.
Bulk of there team was bought as well.
 

TheRam

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I would argue MOST get a taste at 20 or over.
I started replying to duke111s post, but got bored too fast. His data may not be accurate though....

Nathan Davis is only 19, if he debuts this year, it will be as a 19 year old.
Bevan French is also 19, again, will be 19 if he debuts.
Reimis Smith is just 17. If he debuts next year he'll still be young
Goodall is 20, and if he debuts this year will still be 20, John Folau, same story.

There are 5 guys right there who look like they could be 'something'. I don't see the downside in them starting off the season in lower grades? Not everyone who debuts as a young guy does it in round 1....


My point is from where I sit, we should already have players who have come from our juniors(that play in the outside backs) capable of playing NRL and actually of high quality and standard. Not two very average(like a box of chocolates, you don't know what you will get) reserve graders.

This is a development club. We spend millions on it. Wingers for example should be coming out of our wazoo! Surely you guys have higher expectations then what you are letting on here? No matter what bullshit crap Pou tries to confound and baffle you with.

Love you Pou. :)
 

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Nothing wrong with average first graders. You can't expect the 'academy' to fill your team with stars - these kids are identified early (by every club) and there is a massive bidding war. This is why kids like Jackson Hastings walk straight into the top 25 - because they are worth $100k+ a year while still eligible for SG Ball.

If your 'academy' can round out your top 15 or so players with decent backups and fringe players on minimum wage then you avoid our situation of recent years where we were having to spend over $100k on backups with no potential.


Pou where do I begin? For starters, I'm not talking about halfbacks. We all know what's doing there and even so WE should be doing better on that front.

I am talking about all the hype people have been going on about our juniors for, lets be conservative and say 5 years, and in all that time no centres or wingers have stood up and demanded first grade recognition through their performances on the field in the juniors and stayed there permanently, like so many others players have at the other clubs that spend a fortune on developing players.

You can crap on about poaching all you like, the facts are the facts. New Castle, Penrith, Wests and Canberra all have juniors in their backline that are very talented.

All but us and the basket case that is the Dragons.

Obviously we are not as badly off as the Dragons, but we are definitely doing something wrong.
 

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Im prepared to give it time.Penrith did the same as we have but 1-2 yrs before.They are only starting too see some young guys come thru now just like us.
Bulk of there team was bought as well.

Maybe you're right, maybe I'm a little impatient, but I just think that there seems to be something wrong when we have so many juniors and we struggle to find a winger that can play good footy at the top level.

That should be the position that we have three or four that could do the job from the lower grades, even if they end up playing fullback, centre or backrow down the line.

Just doesn't seem right somehow.
 

oldmancraigy

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My point is from where I sit, we should already have players who have come from our juniors(that play in the outside backs) capable of playing NRL and actually of high quality and standard. Not two very average(like a box of chocolates, you don't know what you will get) reserve graders.

This is a development club. We spend millions on it. Wingers for example should be coming out of our wazoo! Surely you guys have higher expectations then what you are letting on here? No matter what bullshit crap Pou tries to confound and baffle you with.

Love you Pou. :)

Can you name some wingers currently playing for other clubs that came througb our juniors??

I can :x

But the issue isnt current!! SG ball is where you 'make the call' on young blokes and whether they are to be invested in as a transition to firsts. What happened 2-3 years ago affects us now. What happened last year affects us next year or the year after (etc etc).

We arent a mess though. Some good young forwards, more in the wings. Outside backs is the easiest spot to patch up if needs be. I would love a big star out there, but we have what we have. All the while some of the young talent out wide are still on pace to debut at an early age
 

hindy111

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If your theory is right thou Ram, we only need to develop 1 winger every 5 yrs.
He plays from age 20-30. Seems simple enough, but off the top of my head i dont recall a good winger since EG jnr. And even he had his flaws.
 

hindy111

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And to be fair the fact there the easiest spots to fill means there the easiest areas to pick up guys from other clubs.

A top line 1,6,7,9 for mine and a couple of talented second rowers.Thats the hardest areas too fill.
 

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We all know that since B Smith and basically up until Nolan and Field arrived we had no decent team identifying young local talent and working them into our system and then keeping them in our system. During this time we lost some good young players, some of whom have gone onto play NRL at other clubs such as Tupou.

Nolan and Fields first aim was to arrest the most pressing issue of no '7' in the junior ranks (around 16 yrs old) who could be retained and look to come through so they went and got Dargan and French. If these guys are going to make it we will see them in Wenty in the next 18 months. At the same time, we can all appreciate that our development system seems to be on the rise as we are seeing a raft of better quality players in all positions coming through into NYC with the older ones pressing into Wenty.

This does require patience because in all honesty, it is a 4 - 5 year process and we had who has head coach back in 2011/12?
 

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We all know that since B Smith and basically up until Nolan and Field arrived we had no decent team identifying young local talent and working them into our system and then keeping them in our system. During this time we lost some good young players, some of whom have gone onto play NRL at other clubs such as Tupou.

Nolan and Fields first aim was to arrest the most pressing issue of no '7' in the junior ranks (around 16 yrs old) who could be retained and look to come through so they went and got Dargan and French. If these guys are going to make it we will see them in Wenty in the next 18 months. At the same time, we can all appreciate that our development system seems to be on the rise as we are seeing a raft of better quality players in all positions coming through into NYC with the older ones pressing into Wenty.

This does require patience because in all honesty, it is a 4 - 5 year process and we had who has head coach back in 2011/12?

Tupou was after Smith http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...tupous-potential/story-fni3fbgz-1226900046729
 

TheRam

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Oh and Pou your hypocrisy on player payments is ridiculously mind blowing.

You have been bunging on about us tying up to much of our salary cap in one player and that teams with that much tied up in one player ala the Cowboys and Thurston can never have a balanced team good enough to win a premiership. Bla bla bla bla bla...

And now we sign Foran for the same coin and you don't seem to have a problem with it at all and actually seemed pleased with the situation.

Well what has changed Pou? We had the worlds best player in our team, but you always whinged and whinged about our inability to balance our squad because of him.

Now we have a very capable, but hardly the worlds best player, and you seem at the least, content. :? No dramatics???

Hayne was never the problem, but you were right on one score about the Cowboys and us being in the same predicament, but for the wrong reason.

The players around them are or were hardly of consistent stellar quality. Not due to poor salary control or lack of funds being available to entice players to stay or come to either team. As we all know we have paid way too much to many of our players over the years with very little in return.

And the Cows have hardly had a dud roster over most of the time that Thurston has been there. So what is the connection?

Well a combination of bad coaches, ordinary retention and recruitment, but most of all the players that were or are playing in their respective NRL teams having a bad attitude. Just because you have the best two players in the world doesn't mean you can go into cruise mode and play soft.

I just shake my head whenever I hear our players say things like, "now that Hayne is gone we have to step up more", or "we need to take on more responsibility" and so on. Say what? So now they are saying they will actually play at their best mentally and physically??? Cos what, Hayne was what, stifling them somehow because of HIS attitude???

Sure people will say, but it is Jarryd's attitude and players just didn't respond to him well. What a load of crap. As a few former players and current players have stated in the press the last couple of weeks, you don't have to get along with everyone in your team, and as Sterlo said, there were some he almost hated, but when playing you just got on with it and had pride and behaved professionally.

Like I said many times before, it was never Jarryd's or Thurston's, fault, that their teams faltered or still falter badly. Their records speak for themselves. However some of the boneheads that they played with or are still playing with, well that's a different story. Their attitude was/is the problem for most of them.

The salary cap does not prevent teams from having marquee players and winning premierships, but attitude does.

So Foran will not hinder our premiership hope due to Salary, but the rest of the squads attitude will.

But back to you Pou. Why such blatant hypocrisy? We had the best player, I believe, the world has ever seen, It is a pity that you never let yourself enjoy that gift to its fullest and the joy he brought to most of us. Your petty and often stubborn silly logic and reasoning has once again shown you up as a unashamed hypocrite.
 

TheRam

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Can you name some wingers currently playing for other clubs that came througb our juniors??

I can :x

But the issue isnt current!! SG ball is where you 'make the call' on young blokes and whether they are to be invested in as a transition to firsts. What happened 2-3 years ago affects us now. What happened last year affects us next year or the year after (etc etc).

We arent a mess though. Some good young forwards, more in the wings. Outside backs is the easiest spot to patch up if needs be. I would love a big star out there, but we have what we have. All the while some of the young talent out wide are still on pace to debut at an early age

Sure so can I, but they all left years ago. What I am saying is the first crop of juniors, since we have gotten our shit together junior wise, under Peter Nolan, has bared no fruit, outside backs wise so far. Which I am finding very strange for a club like ours.

It is very puzzling to say the least. But maybe you are right and we have to be a little more patient. But It is not good that we are so devoid of quality junior backs. I think we should have many.
 

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wouldn't he have been let go when Nolan was at Parra seeing he played under 20's at Parra in 2010 and 2011?

Quite possibly, but Nolan and Field were/are responsible for identifying the junior talent in and out of the local district and getting the ones we want before they reach NYC.

Once they are in the 'system' it is over to the coaching staff to decide who they want to hang on to.
 

Delboy

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Read Emjaycees post, and the truth hits you between the eyes

Rocket was a complete aste of space, and Cameron little better

The whole system had to be regenerate by Nolan and Fields, we were very lucky they were available and worked on the process, we are now seeing the dividends of their first coupe of years. It gets better from here
 

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Nolan and Fields first aim was to arrest the most pressing issue of no '7' in the junior ranks (around 16 yrs old) who could be retained and look to come through so they went and got Dargan and French. If these guys are going to make it we will see them in Wenty in the next 18 months.

Dargan is 17 turning 18 this year, he's yet to play or even train with the NYC squad. He's certainly a fantastic prospect but to expect him to play NSW cup in 18 months is laughable.

Or did you mean "Wenty" so he could be playing RMC or SS by the end of this year? If that was the case then we usually put our best SG Ball talent into Guildford not Wenty.
 

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Little thing called the salary cap makes it difficult to just hand anyone their debut.

It's only round 3, but people are expecting a slew of debutantes already? Really? At round 3? Do people realise how insanely impractical that is?
 

TheRam

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We all know that since B Smith and basically up until Nolan and Field arrived we had no decent team identifying young local talent and working them into our system and then keeping them in our system. During this time we lost some good young players, some of whom have gone onto play NRL at other clubs such as Tupou.

Nolan and Fields first aim was to arrest the most pressing issue of no '7' in the junior ranks (around 16 yrs old) who could be retained and look to come through so they went and got Dargan and French. If these guys are going to make it we will see them in Wenty in the next 18 months. At the same time, we can all appreciate that our development system seems to be on the rise as we are seeing a raft of better quality players in all positions coming through into NYC with the older ones pressing into Wenty.

This does require patience because in all honesty, it is a 4 - 5 year process and we had who has head coach back in 2011/12?


Ok, I'll try to be more patient.
 
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