Rumoured Targets 3

[SamSepi0l]

[deleted]

 

[Alex28]

500k for Dom isn't overs.

Alex McKinnon on twitter intimated he wants to be a centre. Interesting to know what the Roosters think, Manu and Suali'i aren't exactly a scrub centre pairing. Might be losing Suali'i

Tupou and Sua’ali’i are gone at the end of the year I reckon.

 

[Alex28]

Now the media are saying he’s gone to the Roosters for less than what we offered. Probably only took a phone call from Uncle Nick to one of the Journos in his pocket to get it out there.

The journo who would know best maintains it was more than what we were prepared to pay.

 

[Alex28]

There were plenty of people who wanted our club to not spend overs for a winger. You guys happy how the Dom Young situation turned out? Should we be the ones laughing and mocking the Roosters management for overpaying for a winger? Serious question because I'm very unhappy we left.

I can't believe people are writing off Parr already. He has only been here a couple of months and we were literally the worst run club for close to a decade. Surely no one expected him to fix all our issues and build a champion squad in under 6 months?

We didn’t pay $500K for a winger because our cap is a mess. Remember last year when we had over $2M spent on 3 front rowers?

Parr is here to fix the club. Not paying dumb money for a winger is part of the pain we are going to go through.

I’m as disappointed as anyone that he is going, however I have a bit of faith in that Parr knows what he is doing.

 

[Bdubs]

500k for Dom isn't overs.

Alex McKinnon on twitter intimated he wants to be a centre. Interesting to know what the Roosters think, Manu and Suali'i aren't exactly a scrub centre pairing. Might be losing Suali'i

Manu will move to 5/8 when Keary retires due to concussions

 

[Bdubs]

So he's not jesus?

Would have been hard keeping a straight face when he said the club's still an attractive place to be.

well what else can he say.

He has to still be able to attract players, so he can't come out and tell the truth that we are a dumpster fire

 

[Bdubs]

There were plenty of people who wanted our club to not spend overs for a winger. You guys happy how the Dom Young situation turned out? Should we be the ones laughing and mocking the Roosters management for overpaying for a winger? Serious question because I'm very unhappy we left.

I can't believe people are writing off Parr already. He has only been here a couple of months and we were literally the worst run club for close to a decade. Surely no one expected him to fix all our issues and build a champion squad in under 6 months?

your 100% right about Parr. Give the bloke time cause thats what it will take

We need to fix the salary cap, improve our depth, workout why our juniors don't progress the first grade or leave before they get to first grade, fix our junior pathways, get a decent coach, change the club culture. Just to quickly name a few things. This is going to take years not months to fix if you want to do it properly

It'll be something like Phil Gould's 5 year plan at Penrith

 

[marshall stalin]

Even Fox Sports is saying the Roosters deal was substantially higher than the Knights one.

Stop talking shit.

So Fox have seen the contract or were involved in the contract discussions - no they weren't - just speculation on their's and your part without any proof to back it up - so one should say you should stop talking shit when you are unable to back up what you say.

 

[Alex28]

So Fox have seen the contract or were involved in the contract discussions - no they weren't - just speculation on their's and your part without any proof to back it up - so one should say you should stop talking shit when you are unable to back up what you say.

The one guy who would know better than you and me suggests you are indeed full of shit.

 

[Zoidberg]

He probably got the Connor Watson speech of “I’ll turn you into an origin player”.

 

[Pomoz]

.......
The bigger issue at hand imo is the way that the salary cap actually works. It was brought in to create a level playing field but the way that third party deals work means that teams essentially have a legal way to cheat it, and the roosters are better at it than anyone else.

Yeah this sucks but I’m not sure if the club had many alternatives, you either get into a bidding war with a club that has access to more money or you stay firm on the offer.

Let’s say the club announced him re-signing this week and the reported number is $500K, I can only imagine the amount of complaining and whinging that would have gone on in this forum with people saying we paid massive overs and that we’ve messed up our cap etc. can’t have it both ways unfortunately.

Being a Panthers fan and living there for a long time, I see exact parallels with my team. Let's not even try to pretend that Penrith can compete with living in Paddington, Bondi or Randwick, or near the beach in Newcastle. It can't. Let's not try to pretend that most young men would prefer to live in a regional city like Newcastle rather than the Eastern suburbs of Sydney. They want the excitement of the city.

Then there is the club history. The Roosters have a storied history littered with premierships, currently enjoying sustained finals appearances and a premiership win four years ago. The team is littered with rep players.
Newcastle can't compete with that. The Panthers can't compete with that.

Forget third party arrangements. It will have next to no bearing unless the player is only worried about money and pays no attention to the detail. Any extra money is likely to be marginal at best. Add in the cost of living advantages of Newcastle and any extra money starts to disappear when you factor in forking out $2 million for a dog box in the Eastern suburbs and getting around Sydney in the traffic.

In my view, the best way for Newcastle to build a successful club is to become a full on development club. Stop playing at it, invest and do it properly. You have all the cattle you need in the local area, but you need to understand how to turn a champion junior into a first grader. Juniors winning titles isn't enough. It's what happens next that counts.

I don't know specifically what changed at Penrith, because we had the same problem as Newcastle. Every so often we would roll "double six" and a good crop of juniors would turn up and we would jag a few finals appearances and then a few years later, back to mediocrity. We brought players from other clubs in key positions. Walsh from Newcastle as a halfback, Burns from Manly as a five eighth , Kingston from Parramatta as a hooker. I mean, no disrespect to those players, what the actual F were we doing? The Penrith area can't produce spine players?

Whatever changes Gus put in place, transformed our development process. By all accounts, he had the vision, but other experts new what had to be done and he supported them and let them do it.

It is easy to say "sombrero" when talking about the Roosters but in their last GF win, 11 of their players debuted or were juniors at the Roosters. Development underpins their success and I acknowledge they have some advantages of location and history to help that.

Newcastle has everything it needs to be a powerhouse. You just need somebody with the vision to make it happen.

 

[Knight Tales]

Being a Panthers fan and living there for a long time, I see exact parallels with my team. Let's not even try to pretend that Penrith can compete with living in Paddington, Bondi or Randwick, or near the beach in Newcastle. It can't. Let's not try to pretend that most young men would prefer to live in a regional city like Newcastle rather than the Eastern suburbs of Sydney. They want the excitement of the city.

Then there is the club history. The Roosters have a storied history littered with premierships, currently enjoying sustained finals appearances and a premiership win four years ago. The team is littered with rep players.
Newcastle can't compete with that. The Panthers can't compete with that.

Forget third party arrangements. It will have next to no bearing unless the player is only worried about money and pays no attention to the detail. Any extra money is likely to be marginal at best. Add in the cost of living advantages of Newcastle and any extra money starts to disappear when you factor in forking out $2 million for a dog box in the Eastern suburbs and getting around Sydney in the traffic.

In my view, the best way for Newcastle to build a successful club is to become a full on development club. Stop playing at it, invest and do it properly. You have all the cattle you need in the local area, but you need to understand how to turn a champion junior into a first grader. Juniors winning titles isn't enough. It's what happens next that counts.

I don't know specifically what changed at Penrith, because we had the same problem as Newcastle. Every so often we would roll "double six" and a good crop of juniors would turn up and we would jag a few finals appearances and then a few years later, back to mediocrity. We brought players from other clubs in key positions. Walsh from Newcastle as a halfback, Burns from Manly as a five eighth , Kingston from Parramatta as a hooker. I mean, no disrespect to those players, what the actual F were we doing? The Penrith area can't produce spine players?

Whatever changes Gus put in place, transformed our development process. By all accounts, he had the vision, but other experts new what had to be done and he supported them and let them do it.

It is easy to say "sombrero" when talking about the Roosters but in their last GF win, 11 of their players debuted or were juniors at the Roosters. Development underpins their success and I acknowledge they have some advantages of location and history to help that.

Newcastle has everything it needs to be a powerhouse. You just need somebody with the vision to make it happen.

All true. Well said. One day the NRL will get real about development clubs and rewarding them with salary cap exemptions that are big enough to fend off poachers like the Roosters.

 

[Yosh]

Being a Panthers fan and living there for a long time, I see exact parallels with my team. Let's not even try to pretend that Penrith can compete with living in Paddington, Bondi or Randwick, or near the beach in Newcastle. It can't. Let's not try to pretend that most young men would prefer to live in a regional city like Newcastle rather than the Eastern suburbs of Sydney. They want the excitement of the city.

Then there is the club history. The Roosters have a storied history littered with premierships, currently enjoying sustained finals appearances and a premiership win four years ago. The team is littered with rep players.
Newcastle can't compete with that. The Panthers can't compete with that.

Forget third party arrangements. It will have next to no bearing unless the player is only worried about money and pays no attention to the detail. Any extra money is likely to be marginal at best. Add in the cost of living advantages of Newcastle and any extra money starts to disappear when you factor in forking out $2 million for a dog box in the Eastern suburbs and getting around Sydney in the traffic.

In my view, the best way for Newcastle to build a successful club is to become a full on development club. Stop playing at it, invest and do it properly. You have all the cattle you need in the local area, but you need to understand how to turn a champion junior into a first grader. Juniors winning titles isn't enough. It's what happens next that counts.

I don't know specifically what changed at Penrith, because we had the same problem as Newcastle. Every so often we would roll "double six" and a good crop of juniors would turn up and we would jag a few finals appearances and then a few years later, back to mediocrity. We brought players from other clubs in key positions. Walsh from Newcastle as a halfback, Burns from Manly as a five eighth , Kingston from Parramatta as a hooker. I mean, no disrespect to those players, what the actual F were we doing? The Penrith area can't produce spine players?

Whatever changes Gus put in place, transformed our development process. By all accounts, he had the vision, but other experts new what had to be done and he supported them and let them do it.

It is easy to say "sombrero" when talking about the Roosters but in their last GF win, 11 of their players debuted or were juniors at the Roosters. Development underpins their success and I acknowledge they have some advantages of location and history to help that.

Newcastle has everything it needs to be a powerhouse. You just need somebody with the vision to make it happen.

Hopefully we are building towards it and can be somewhere near the level the Panthers are at in thr next couple of years.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

The other issue with the salary cap, or more with the way the rules are around it, is that each team is obligated to spend at least 95% of it each year. If you have scrubs in your team then you need to spend 95% of your cap on those scrubs, leaving you no room to go after better players that might actually deserve bigger $

Essentially, presuming all the rules are followed, The Roosters are spending the same or near enough to on their squad as the Knights are on theirs.

Now thats scary

 

[Bdubs]

The other issue with the salary cap, or more with the way the rules are around it, is that each team is obligated to spend at least 95% of it each year. If you have scrubs in your team then you need to spend 95% of your cap on those scrubs, leaving you no room to go after better players that might actually deserve bigger $

Essentially, presuming all the rules are followed, The Roosters are spending the same or near enough to on their squad as the Knights are on theirs.

Now thats scary

yes, but with proper cap management its easy enough to work around. There is nothing saying you have to give those scrubs multiyear contracts. If they are on one year deals it wont effect the following years salary cap.

If those players don't like it and they leave, who cares, they are scrubs anyway

An example of this is Crossland. Why on earth do you offer him 2 years???? No one else was interested in him

 

[Bdubs]

Being a Panthers fan and living there for a long time, I see exact parallels with my team. Let's not even try to pretend that Penrith can compete with living in Paddington, Bondi or Randwick, or near the beach in Newcastle. It can't. Let's not try to pretend that most young men would prefer to live in a regional city like Newcastle rather than the Eastern suburbs of Sydney. They want the excitement of the city.

Then there is the club history. The Roosters have a storied history littered with premierships, currently enjoying sustained finals appearances and a premiership win four years ago. The team is littered with rep players.
Newcastle can't compete with that. The Panthers can't compete with that.

Forget third party arrangements. It will have next to no bearing unless the player is only worried about money and pays no attention to the detail. Any extra money is likely to be marginal at best. Add in the cost of living advantages of Newcastle and any extra money starts to disappear when you factor in forking out $2 million for a dog box in the Eastern suburbs and getting around Sydney in the traffic.

In my view, the best way for Newcastle to build a successful club is to become a full on development club. Stop playing at it, invest and do it properly. You have all the cattle you need in the local area, but you need to understand how to turn a champion junior into a first grader. Juniors winning titles isn't enough. It's what happens next that counts.

I don't know specifically what changed at Penrith, because we had the same problem as Newcastle. Every so often we would roll "double six" and a good crop of juniors would turn up and we would jag a few finals appearances and then a few years later, back to mediocrity. We brought players from other clubs in key positions. Walsh from Newcastle as a halfback, Burns from Manly as a five eighth , Kingston from Parramatta as a hooker. I mean, no disrespect to those players, what the actual F were we doing? The Penrith area can't produce spine players?

Whatever changes Gus put in place, transformed our development process. By all accounts, he had the vision, but other experts new what had to be done and he supported them and let them do it.

It is easy to say "sombrero" when talking about the Roosters but in their last GF win, 11 of their players debuted or were juniors at the Roosters. Development underpins their success and I acknowledge they have some advantages of location and history to help that.

Newcastle has everything it needs to be a powerhouse. You just need somebody with the vision to make it happen.

your spot on.

Hopefully Newcastle can see this and are now working towards this as an outcome. It will take time but its worth it if we can end up with an outcome similar to what Penrith has

 

[perverse]

Apparently there is talk of a transfer this year for Young, at least according to the DT. Apparently we've asked for Nat Butcher in return for Young this year.

Imagine the pitch from Robinson to his players. "Who wants to go play for the Knights?"

It's nice that we're at least asking the question, I suppose.

 

[PhilGould]

The Sydney Roosters are in talks with the Newcastle Knights to get an immediate release for English winger Dominic Young to play in the opening round of the premiership against the Dolphins.

News Corp can reveal the Knights have asked to swap the English Test winger for a Roosters forward.

The Knights were keen on either Nat or Egan Butcher, which the Roosters have rejected.

There is now talk of the Roosters offering compensation with a transfer fee.

The Roosters signed wingers Corey Allan from the Bulldogs and Jaxson Paulo from the Rabbitohs during the off-season.

However they are desperately keen to add Young to their roster.

Young signed with the Roosters earlier this week from 2024 onwards.

He said he was committed to playing out his final year for the Knights before the two clubs began negotiations for a swap.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-market-watch-offcontract-stars-who-will-decide-futures-before-round-1/news-story/e9755aacf1c7d3b916f62b18ce34fad4?amp

 

[mozza91]

Wests will probably take the money but f**k the Roosters if they him want so badly give us one of the Butcher’s. Either of them walk into the starting backrow on the left.

 

[macavity]

Wests will probably take the money but f**k the Roosters if they him want so badly give us one of the Butcher’s. Either of them walk into the starting backrow on the left.

Phil won’t let him walk without a pound of flesh.