Discussion in 'Newcastle Knights' started by Coby, Aug 19, 2015.
too old and past it you reckon?
Those stats are hilarious!! However they don't tell the whole story. We have lost a fair share of games, he has been injured and shifted here and there. I'm sure he will get his fair share of tries and assists this season. Not sure about kick metres though ahah.
Watched an interview with Cronk tonight - what advice do you have for young playmakers ? " Get your defence right and and concentrate on your kicking game "
A big NO to Maloney from me, that ship has sailed, we were interested in him a couple of years ago before we landed Pearce but Maloney’s form has gone way downhill since then.
Ultimately the salary cap is going to make it hard to get a really good playmaking 5/8 at this stage. A decent nrl quality 5/8 is going to cost at least $500k and an elite one is up around $1m a season and we don’t have that sort of money lying around.
I’m happy to stick with Watson at the moment and if he’s not up to it we bring Lino in. People don’t seem to rate him but I thought he was good at the Warriors last year and he’s only played a couple of games for us so far and was underdone and also his form wasn’t helped by how poorly the rest of our team was playing at that time. If Brown decides he wants a play making 5/8 he needs to stick with Lino for 5-6 weeks to get a real look at him. I’m not going to judge him too harshly on a couple of games when our whole team played poorly.
Mr K I agree with you, a quality 5/8 is cost wise out of reach so best to stick, Watson is a goer but needs to cut the silly mistakes and develop some basic skills, extra work at the park with his mate Ponga, passing and kicking practice, it is in his interest to improve and obtain contract increase.
Not fussed entirely on Lino, good backup for either Pearce or Watson. Developing juniors would be good, surely somewhere in our reserves and u20’s we have 1 or 2 young players capable of becoming a first grade half, Pearce won’t be around for ever and Watson and Lino might not take us to finals.
We seem to be well of for edge forwards so maybe culling them might give us cap space for what we need.
I reckon we are ok with 5/8.
We said we wanted a running half and we have one in Watson. He can fill in at other positions and is showing promise filling in at dummy half.
When Ponga is up he's sometimes at 5/8 but he now has the flexibility to move around more, selectively inject himself and set up plays from kick-receive.
Mann is also there to fill in at 5/8 and other positions. Toohey reckons Mann might eventually start at 5/8 with Watson off the bench.
Pearce is performing better with the current setup. That might be only part of the reason.
A lot is said about having a 'spine' and sticking to it. We essentially have an 'extended spine' with flexibility. These guys would train with positional changes and the click is there of late.
The kicking option is questionable. I think we are doing ok. Lino is available but I don't rate him at this stage. I'd rather see players out there who have been part of what has clicked to get the last 3 wins.
Our top two kickers are Pearce and Ponga, so why is it crucial that Watson can also kick? Watson is a terrific kick-chaser, often the first one down there
Often the only one down there too
Who steers the team and does the kicking in general play if Pearce goes down during a match? With the top tier teams it falls to the other playmaker, 5/8 or halfback. With the Knights our other playmaker is incapable of steering the team around or kicking- which are the basic fundamentals of a playmaker.
Not crucial but it depends if we want to win a GF ? or just make up the numbers.
More than likely Ponga, I'd say. Or Mann if he's on the bench
Hopefully all Watson needs is time and he can develop his game quickly and add a kicking and passing aspect. I like his speed and fitness and he's cut a few big forwards down one on one, so he can tackle.
Watson has a decent short passing game. He had some nice touches last year. Not a great ball player by any means but handy.
I’m confident we’ll see more of what he can do if he can get on the park regularly. He’s struggled to string more than few games together before getting injured again.
I’ve been very underwhelmed by Pongas kicking game so far this season.if we lose Pearces boot at any time during a match, then we’re screwed.
Why wouldn’t you want Watson to develop his kicking game, take pressure of Pearce, put doubts in defence, surely a kicking ability in a 5/8 is a bonus. Watson came here wanting to be a 5/8 so he should do all he can to improve his chances by developing his game.
It's a no brainer to have as many decent kicking options as possible in your spine.
Would love to have a 6 with a decent kicking game at the club.
Be great to have a 9 with a few tricks up the sleeve when needed as well.
We can be extremely predictable with our kicking game too often. Further development of Ponga's kicking game will help immensely.
I think Watson developing a kicking game isn't a priority. He has been outstanding at the kick chase and is on the hip of ever forward looking for that offload.
Watson needs to
Work on his passing. He makes so many half breaks and can't get the ball to the open man. Doesn't need 30 metre cutout balls, just simple balls on the chest to the runner.
Then maybe a short kicking game.
Our team at the moment lines up
But if I compare them to Joey, Matty and O'Davis, they are
Does that make sense? We have similar players in a little different structure. It's working well so why change it? People talking about getting and injury in the grand final but I just want to see us there near there first.
Scott Drinkwater from Melbourne is apparently on the lookout for a new club with his path to first grade blocked. Was going to be their first choice fullback this season but got injured and now Papenhuyzen seems to have taken that spot. Knights were close to signing him last season so I wouldn't be surprised if they go after him again.
Just watching the Doggies game and I reckon the Knights made a couple of big mistakes in retention. If we were ever going to move Ponga to 5/8 we should have kept Meany and if we were keeping Ponga at FB and wanted a 5/8 we should have kept Goggar and never recruited Watson - hindsight is 20/20.
Meaney is a loss but we signed Mann.
Cogger is no loss. He didn't really show he was up for first grade I thought.
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