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Parra47

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I dont even know who the f**k he is? ... he played in the nrl?
Yes played one game off the bench for the Roosters in 2014. Lot of potential but gave the game away to concentrate on boxing. Then decided he wanted to play RL after all and made a comeback only to be sacked after robbing a guy near Star City. Was picked up by Manly however was released and has been playing a bit of footy in Ron Massy Cup.
I think Lodge is potentially a better player however looks like he'll be picked up by Brisbane next year.
As for the debate about our 2018 hooker, I'm sure it will be Peats, (at least I hope), Lichaa is very ordinary and anyone who thinks we should sign him must not watch him play. Slow at passing the ball and very little creativity and vision in what is one of the most crucial attaching positions in the game. Think Matt Keating minus the double pump. That is why Reynolds had a big blow up with him on the field last year. It's why he was only getting about 20 minutes before Reynolds was injured this year after Frawley came into their team.
I'd still like to see King given a go for us this year. Good passing game, very good kicking game and solid in defence. I think he is a smarter player than Pritchard. And why not give him a go, it's not like we will win the GF this year and we may not even make the top 8. So why not give him a shot and see how he goes.
 

emjaycee

Coach
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For the record Vave played 23 games for Manly in 2016. Most of those off the bench so he was obviously in their top 4-5 middle forwards.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yes played one game off the bench for the Roosters in 2014. Lot of potential but gave the game away to concentrate on boxing. Then decided he wanted to play RL after all and made a comeback only to be sacked after robbing a guy near Star City. Was picked up by Manly however was released and has been playing a bit of footy in Ron Massy Cup.
I think Lodge is potentially a better player however looks like he'll be picked up by Brisbane next year.
As for the debate about our 2018 hooker, I'm sure it will be Peats, (at least I hope), Lichaa is very ordinary and anyone who thinks we should sign him must not watch him play. Slow at passing the ball and very little creativity and vision in what is one of the most crucial attaching positions in the game. Think Matt Keating minus the double pump. That is why Reynolds had a big blow up with him on the field last year. It's why he was only getting about 20 minutes before Reynolds was injured this year after Frawley came into their team.
I'd still like to see King given a go for us this year. Good passing game, very good kicking game and solid in defence. I think he is a smarter player than Pritchard. And why not give him a go, it's not like we will win the GF this year and we may not even make the top 8. So why not give him a shot and see how he goes.
I'd say the coach knows how he would go because he watches him play for Wenty.
 

TheRam

Coach
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But is there the talent out there to buy??? Evans is still a good get IMO, he is seriously underused at the Roosters just like Vaughan was at Canberra.

Vaughan is and was a worker and focused player that always gave you meters. Evans is an under achiever and so far a wasted talent who rarely hits the line as hard as he should. This myth that Vaughan was average or playing below starting quality output is way off the mark.

Sticky just has a fat for both Boyd and Junior and exercised his right to prioritize them over Vaughan. Our coaches failure was to under value both Junior and Vaughan, probably the best two front rowers in the NRL today, for different reasons, to our teams misfortune.

However my greatest concern is the lack of junior quality coming out of our club, especially in the spine positions and the frontrow. Besides Junior and Hayne, who else have we produced that is beyond a solid to somewhat good player?

I mean junior, not fly ins like Semi. The last great crop was during Haynes junior days and that's a big part of why we made a GF, only to have it stolen from us. My point is, a club like ours should be getting a good wack of its talent from our nursery and then supplementing it with imports. That way we don't have salary issues and players will always want to come and play here due to the all round strength we offer and the benefits it ultimately produces to all.

And as for losing Junior to the Raiders, some may say, hindsight is 20/20, but if you could not see that Junior was the future and king pin of our squad to build the rest of the forwards around and read the papers(being facetious) that the salary cap was always going to rise to accommodate the higher offers, well then you have what we have today. A very ordinary forward pack who try hard but get out muscled by the bigger more aggressive packs.

I keep saying it, but as much as I like Arthur, and I think that he is the man for the job at present, he keeps making rookie mistakes. I remember Cam Smith in a profile interview last year say that when the Storm had an ordinary year by their standards, he and the senior players sat down with the coach and identified their major weakness. It turned out to be SIZE. So they purposefully went out into the market place and bought up BIG. Now if you look at their 2016 GF forward squad, I think from memory that the smallest player 6' 1" but the rest were 6' 3", all the way up to 6' 7" I think of quality forward muscle. As always with the Storm though, the vultures circle and pick off the their low lying fruit, but what are they doing in response? Oh yeah...Kasiano.

We had one, but we let him get away, now we will suffer that decision for at least another year(2018) because there is no one left before that who would fit the bill. So I don't expect to make any real impression on the comp till 2019 at the earliest.

That is not great squad management if you ask me. Look at Manly, I don't really rate Barrett, but he has turned a very ordinary injury riddled and player retirement beset club, into a very good and competitive organization in the space of one year.

We seem to take an eternity to turn our ship around, just like the other Westie losers in the comp, like Tigers and Panthers. I am just so sick of waiting for our team to turn around and become what it should have always been. A power house and watching a good man/coach make boob errors and then reading ne'er do wells like Pou constantly defend those bad decision as some kind of master stroke. Pou you are kidding yourself and have a losers temperament and philosophy.

Unless we make a significant signing in the forwards, then what we currently see is what we will get. We will have our moments, if we ever get our team healthy and all playing together, but we will ultimately struggle against the larger more explosive forward packs. Time to cut some of these backup forwards and sign a animal monster on big bucks. If we don't get one this year and I don't really think we can, I would go all out to get Junior back to play with his mates and childhood club in 2019.
 

Soren Lorenson

First Grade
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FMD Ram. That's a very very good post. I have always backed the decision to not match Sticky's offer for Junior, but find it very difficult to argue with most of that. I can only say that it now seems we were f*cked over behind the scenes by inept management for so long, and it's going to an equally long road back to being a #powerhouse.
 
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Bazal

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Yes played one game off the bench for the Roosters in 2014. Lot of potential but gave the game away to concentrate on boxing. Then decided he wanted to play RL after all and made a comeback only to be sacked after robbing a guy near Star City. Was picked up by Manly however was released and has been playing a bit of footy in Ron Massy Cup.
I think Lodge is potentially a better player however looks like he'll be picked up by Brisbane next year.
As for the debate about our 2018 hooker, I'm sure it will be Peats, (at least I hope), Lichaa is very ordinary and anyone who thinks we should sign him must not watch him play. Slow at passing the ball and very little creativity and vision in what is one of the most crucial attaching positions in the game. Think Matt Keating minus the double pump. That is why Reynolds had a big blow up with him on the field last year. It's why he was only getting about 20 minutes before Reynolds was injured this year after Frawley came into their team.
I'd still like to see King given a go for us this year. Good passing game, very good kicking game and solid in defence. I think he is a smarter player than Pritchard. And why not give him a go, it's not like we will win the GF this year and we may not even make the top 8. So why not give him a shot and see how he goes.

I think the most important question is how are you coping without RLW?
 

Bazal

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Sticky just has a fat for both Boyd and Junior and exercised his right to prioritize them over Vaughan. Our coaches failure was to under value both Junior and Vaughan, probably the best two front rowers in the NRL today, for different reasons, to our teams misfortune.

Er, no. Sticky started Boyd because of his defence, using Junior and Vaughan in the same ball running role. Vaughan allegedly took exception to being benched and carried on like a prize f**kwit, to the point that Ricky and the Raiders felt his position at the club was untenable. His release had nothing to do with football.

We offered him a very reasonable deal for a talented player who needed a huge kick in the arse, and he essentially agreed to terms before the Dragons came over the top with a much larger offer that we weren't going to match for a player with behavioural issues.

Junior is a shit defender, so "best prop in the game" is something he will never be. We offered him big money for a prop who refuses to tackle, Ricky offered him stupid money.
 

Poupou Escobar

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We seem to take an eternity to turn our ship around, just like the other Westie losers in the comp, like Tigers and Panthers. I am just so sick of waiting for our team to turn around and become what it should have always been. A power house and watching a good man/coach make boob errors and then reading ne'er do wells like Pou constantly defend those bad decision as some kind of master stroke. Pou you are kidding yourself and have a losers temperament and philosophy.
Who said anything about a master stroke? I just explained to you why the decisions we have made could have been the best or only decision possible. We know we have less to spend than the top clubs, we have to prioritise our salary cap differently.

As for crowing about Melbourne's pack, they obviously don't prioritise it the way you do, because they have already lost Proctor, and next year are losing Harris and McLean, plus NAS is still off contract.
 
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As RAM says we lack size, blokes like Matagi as good as he is is really the size of a backrower in todays game not a prop, Wicks was the right size and build, blokes like Gower, Teropo, etc are not they are too small to play in the middle but that's what we have.
I wonder is BA is getting too close to the players, too matey with them and seems then to keep some players at the club that need to be moved on the replace with better ones.
Kenny Edwards goes alright off the bench on a edge and Beau Scott was one of our best playing the middle of the bench last week. Alvaro has been out playing Mannah all season, yes Mannah is Parramatta he is part of the furniture but this year and last he has had one good output game every 3 or 4 and that's not good enough for a starting prop and captain in the NRL.
Mannah would be better off the bench when the there is some tiring retreating defence where he can land on his belly and get a quick play the ball like he did in 2009 and 2010.
Manu Maú and Nathan Brown have been our best forwards by a country mile this season, both backrowers but Brown does spend some time in the middle and when he does he looks better than our starting props.
I think we can win a lot of games with the squad we have but they are not premiership material.
Can only hope that some clubs look to offload some players as the season goes on and the salary cap for next season is announced.
I would go all out for Kasiano, he is the size we need, him and Vave are the right size.
Did we even talk to Kasiano?
I heard we were looking at Adam Elliot but that is not what we need he is edge backrower we need middle forwards or a new NRL recruitment manager one of the tow or both.
There is some young fellas singed up in the 16's and 18's with size but they are 6-8 years away from first grade and we never seem to keep the ones we need.
But that rant for another time.
 

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