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[Gronk]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Luke Burt confident Eels can replace Foran

Parramatta will have at least $1 million worth of space in next year's salary cap following the departure of star Kieran Foran.
Source:
AAP
1 AUG 2016 - 3:00 PM UPDATED 59 MINS AGO
Parramatta legend Luke Burt is confident the club can find a replacement for failed signing Kieran Foran as soon as next NRL season.

The Eels last week granted Foran a release from the final three years of his contract after the New Zealand international quit the game to focus on addressing personal issues.

Foran was trumpeted as the man to lead the Eels to the finals for the first time in six years after signing a lucrative deal almost worth a reported $5 million last year.

And after leading the side to a 5-2 record to start the season, the Eels were on their way.

That was when Foran's off-field struggles became public, and he played just two more games in the blue and gold before he decided to leave the NRL.

And while the club will rue the departure of one of the competition's best players, Foran's exit means there should now be at least $1 million worth of space in their salary cap for 2017.

The club has also yet to commit big money to off-contract five-eighth Corey Norman.

Burt, who holds the record for most tries in the club's history, said the club's success on the field in 2016 was reason for optimism next season.

"Obviously he's a quality player. There's no doubt about that," Burt told AAP.

"But the players that have stepped up this year through injury or whatever, they've stepped in and done a really good job for us. Why can't someone do it again next year?"

Former captain Nathan Cayless also pointed out how the Eels, with 10 wins from their 19 games this season, would be in the top eight if it wasn't for salary cap breaches.

Cayless is confident the club could repeat their form and break their finals drought next year.

"If you look at how many wins and losses the boys are sitting on at the moment, they've got themselves within the eight," he said.

"There's certainly a real good core of players, and a good core of senior players, who'll definitely expect to play finals next year."

While marquee talent is thin at this time of the year, Burt said off-contract code-hopper Jarryd Hayne would be at the top of list of every club in the competition.

"There is space for him and if he can fit in there, then 100 per cent you'd throw him in there because we all know how good a player Jarryd is and how good he was for this club. For him to come back it'd be a great acquisition," he said.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/08/01/luke-burt-confident-eels-can-replace-foran

 

[TheRam]

You are now talking about different players with different skill set ability and different physical ability to Hayne.
For example Gordom has a poor passing game, Hayne has a very good one.
French is a very slightly built player who would get smashed hitting the ball up, Hayne is much bigger.
Robson has no where near the skill or vision of Hayne.
So your examples are pointless.
As for your quoting a movie line from a film aimed at 15 year old boys to try and emphasise your point. Embarrassing.

Thank you, all attributes that would make a great half playmaker, if he wanted to be one.

Game set and match bonehead.

 

[Eelementary]

And how's his teamwork and/or work ethic developed, in the past two years out of the NRL environment?

I don't know.

How would you possibly?

But he was able to get an NFL side to experiment with him, and got some game time. He also got game time for Fiji - these 7's team around - in a major tournament.

 

[phantom eel]

"Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker" is an incorrect claim, no matter how you try and justify/water it down Baz.

Hayne is a two time Dally M Player of the Year. He did not win awards for his playmaking, as you sem to claim. As stated earlier, Gavin Miller is a two time Dally M Player of the Year, and was not a plymaker (though he was handy with an offload and kicking game).

Now, if you are referring to Hayne as a playmaker (separate from his awards) then let's look at that. Having playmaking qualities and using them from fullback is different from being a playmaker at 6 or 7, isn't it? As discussed, at fullback you can "call" when you choose to chime in and be involved as a playmaker, without the role responsibilitiy of having to hamndle the ball (or "playmake") as regularly as the team's 6 or 7 is expected to. Do you agree or disagree

People who play 6 or 7 in the modern game also demonstrate their playmaking abilities after soaking up front line 80min defensive workloads - something Hayne has failed at whenever he has tried to do at club level. Do you agree or disagree that Hayne has proven fornt line 80min playmaking experience Baz?

This discussion comes down to whether Hayne is an astute buy as a 6 or not. For (some of) the reasons above (among others), I think not. You Baz, as a Hayne fanboi from way back, obviously think we should throw the kitchen sink at signing Hayne into our 2017 - is that correct?

We are never going to agree on Hayne Baz. But when your Hayne fandom leads to claims that he was an "awarded" playmaker, or our chief playmaker, or implies that his playmaking abilities somehow equate to what is required of a true front line 80min playmaker - especially after 2 years away from the game - I'll call bullshit Baz.

Over to you.

 

[Eelementary]

Got to when someone keeps asking the same question over and over again.

It keeps getting asked over and over, because even in the face of facts, you keep singing the same, tired, old song.

The problem isn't the questions being asked over and over...

 

[phantom eel]

I don't know.

How would you possibly?

I don't - but I wasn't making the claim against Hayne having changed from a lazy selfish player over the past two years.

 

[Eelementary]

I don't - but I wasn't making the claim against Hayne having changed from a lazy selfish player over the past two years.

They claim was he's a lazy type of player, which is mind-boggling tbh.

Hayne is all about Hayne, but petulance isn't something reserved for him; Johns had it in spades.

True, he's been out of the game for two years, and he left us high and dry - but IF the coach reckons we are better off with him and signs him, I won't be questioning him.

 

[phantom eel]

DCE is a prime example of a half on Hayne coin that is totally inept behind a beaten pack, but looks OK in a good team.

When have the three you mentioned played in a rubbish team that proves your point?

I agree DCE i a poor half, and nowhere in the class of the others. I was glad we chased Foran rathern than him. DCE got himself a good contract, but is poor - something I'd like us to avaoid by not signing Hayne as a half.

 

[Eelementary]

"Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker" is an incorrect claim, no matter how you try and justify/water it down Baz.

Hayne is a two time Dally M Player of the Year. He did not win awards for his playmaking, as you sem to claim. As stated earlier, Gavin Miller is a two time Dally M Player of the Year, and was not a plymaker (though he was handy with an offload and kicking game).

Now, if you are referring to Hayne as a playmaker (separate from his awards) then let's look at that. Having playmaking qualities and using them from fullback is different from being a playmaker at 6 or 7, isn't it? As discussed, at fullback you can "call" when you choose to chime in and be involved as a playmaker, without the role responsibilitiy of having to hamndle the ball (or "playmake") as regularly as the team's 6 or 7 is expected to. Do you agree or disagree

People who play 6 or 7 in the modern game also demonstrate their playmaking abilities after soaking up front line 80min defensive workloads - something Hayne has failed at whenever he has tried to do at club level. Do you agree or disagree that Hayne has proven fornt line 80min playmaking experience Baz?

This discussion comes down to whether Hayne is an astute buy as a 6 or not. For (some of) the reasons above (among others), I think not. You Baz, as a Hayne fanboi from way back, obviously think we should throw the kitchen sink at signing Hayne into our 2017 - is that correct?

We are never going to agree on Hayne Baz. But when your Hayne fandom leads to claims that he was an "awarded" playmaker, or our chief playmaker, or implies that his playmaking abilities somehow equate to what is required of a true front line 80min playmaker - especially after 2 years away from the game - I'll call bullshit Baz.

Over to you.

Do you think Hayne would be capable of becoming a half, if he gave it a proper shot?

Hypothetically, of course.

I, for one, think that, yes- he's big enough and skilled enough. Only thing holding him back is himself.

 

[ash411]

"Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker" is an incorrect claim, no matter how you try and justify/water it down Baz.

How can you know realise that he wasn't saying his Dally M awards were for playmaking.

Break the statement down, He won 2 Dally M awards, true. He was a playmaker at the time, also true.

If you think his playmaking ability played no part in him winning those Dally M awards then I can't help you.

 

[phantom eel]

They claim was he's a lazy type of player, which is mind-boggling tbh.

Hayne is all about Hayne, but petulance isn't something reserved for him; Johns had it in spades.

True, he's been out of the game for two years, and he left us high and dry - but IF the coach reckons we are better off with him and signs him, I won't be questioning him.

It's not always up to the coach. Arthur has been very luke warm in comments about Hayne's return. Sometimes marquee players are signed more for their marketing appeal etc, than the coach's assesment of their playing value.

 

[phantom eel]

Do you think Hayne would be capable of becoming a half, if he gave it a proper shot?

Hypothetically, of course.

I, for one, think that, yes- he's night enough and skilled enough. Only thing holding him back is himself.

No I don't. Hayne's a reportedly lazy trainer who tries to get by on raw ability and runs away at the sign of needing to do hard work (e.g. 2nd season 49ers, Rugby 7s).

 

[Bazal]

"Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker" is an incorrect claim, no matter how you try and justify/water it down Baz.

Hayne is a two time Dally M Player of the Year. He did not win awards for his playmaking, as you sem to claim. As stated earlier, Gavin Miller is a two time Dally M Player of the Year, and was not a plymaker (though he was handy with an offload and kicking game).

Fine, so you are alleging that being our leading performer for the stats by which playmakers are assessed was irrelevant to his Dally M wins.

To be frank, you are an idiot and you are wrong.

Now, if you are referring to Hayne as a playmaker (separate from his awards) then let's look at that. Having playmaking qualities and using them from fullback is different from being a playmaker at 6 or 7, isn't it? As discussed, at fullback you can "call" when you choose to chime in and be involved as a playmaker, without the role responsibilitiy of having to hamndle the ball (or "playmake") as regularly as the team's 6 or 7 is expected to. Do you agree or disagree

Michael Morgan plays exactly that same role and he wears 6. Shaun Johnson plays a very similar role and he wears 7.

With Norman as the number one half, why can Hayne not play the exact same role and wear 6 instead of 1? I presume the answer will be because Phantom Bart doesn't like the guy?

People who play 6 or 7 in the modern game also demonstrate their playmaking abilities after soaking up front line 80min defensive workloads - something Hayne has failed at whenever he has tried to do at club level. Do you agree or disagree that Hayne has proven fornt line 80min playmaking experience Baz?

Once again, you are basically saying that the quality of players around Hayne at that time was irrelevant, which is clearly not true. As to your question, what part of being our leading playmaker for several years disqualifies him as a frontline playmaker in your eyes?

 

[phantom eel]

How can you know realise that he wasn't saying his Dally M awards were for playmaking.

Baz has backtracked, so yes it seems he is now not saying Hayne was awarded for his playmaking.

Break the statement down, He won 2 Dally M awards, true. He was a playmaker at the time, also true.

If you think his playmaking ability played no part in him winning those Dally M awards then I can't help you.

A comma would have helped Baz's original claims out immensely. I have addressed the playmaking ability separately to the award claims in a recent reply directed at Bazal.

 

[Eelementary]

It's not always up to the coach. Arthur has been very luke warm in comments about Hayne's return. Sometimes marquee players are signed more for their marketing appeal etc, than the coach's assesment of their playing value.

And that's fine - if Arthur reckons we don't need him, then cool.

I reckon he could add plenty of firepower this this team.

 

[ash411]

It's not always up to the coach. Arthur has been very luke warm in comments about Hayne's return. Sometimes marquee players are signed more for their marketing appeal etc, than the coach's assesment of their playing value.

I don't think they're going to sign Hayne just to be on posters & shit.

If the current management at the club have even the smallest amount of sense they wouldn't go against BA in signing someone he doesn't want to play, just so they could use him for marketing..

Would be the biggest waste of money in history, and may be what begins BA's push out the door.

He's already gone on record about not being happy about management trying to interfere with him coaching the team, I think if Max was to say to BA "I just singed Hayne, let him play where he wants" wouldn't sit well with BA.

 

[Eelementary]

No I don't. Hayne's a reportedly lazy trainer who tries to get by on raw ability and runs away at the sign of needing to do hard work (e.g. 2nd season 49ers, Rugby 7s).

Fair enough.

But people can change, no?

I'm not saying he has or will, but you, me, and everyone else will never know the genuine truth about what happened with Hayne.

 

[hineyrulz]

How can you know realise that he wasn't saying his Dally M awards were for playmaking.

Break the statement down, He won 2 Dally M awards, true. He was a playmaker at the time, also true.

If you think his playmaking ability played no part in him winning those Dally M awards then I can't help you.

Bart is beyond help, his hatred for Hayne has clouded all his views about him.

 

[ash411]

Baz has backtracked, so yes it seems he is now not saying Hayne was awarded for his playmaking.


A comma would have helped Baz's original claims out immensely. I have addressed the playmaking ability separately to the award claims in a recent reply directed at Bazal.

He never said it before. He called hayne "a Dally M winning playmaker" the statement is sound as is.

 

[hineyrulz]

Backtracked lol, one of your best Bart.