Rumours and Stuff

[I'm a loser baby...]

After going through a full review of the club 6 months ago, with a large focus on culture (cultural foundations is the term they used), what message does it send to the playing group if he gets a slap on the wrist. The standards you ignore are the standards you accept. If Peni is made the example then so be it...someone needs to be. We will be a better club for it in the long run.

A slap on the wrist isn't the only alternative to sacking him. And what message does it send to the playing group if they sack one of their mates for an incident that doesn't deserve it? It wouldn't engender loyalty in them. We had a review because we were losing, not for any excessive amount of player incidents. We've already sacked Edwards and shipped off Norman. I don't think we're in real need to "send a message" to the playing group. Just let them know what's expected of them and deal with any incident on its merits.

 

[Eelogical]

A slap on the wrist isn't the only alternative to sacking him. And what message does it send to the playing group if they sack one of their mates for an incident that doesn't deserve it? It wouldn't engender loyalty in them. We had a review because we were losing, not for any excessive amount of player incidents. We've already sacked Edwards and shipped off Norman. I don't think we're in real need to "send a message" to the playing group. Just let them know what's expected of them and deal with any incident on its merits.

 

[Happy MEel]

A slap on the wrist isn't the only alternative to sacking him. And what message does it send to the playing group if they sack one of their mates for an incident that doesn't deserve it? It wouldn't engender loyalty in them. We had a review because we were losing, not for any excessive amount of player incidents. We've already sacked Edwards and shipped off Norman. I don't think we're in real need to "send a message" to the playing group. Just let them know what's expected of them and deal with any incident on its merits.

Do you think the club haven’t let them know what is expected of them?

He refused to give a breath analysis for the first incident, which in my opinion counts as high-range drink driving. I think that’s a sackable offence on its own. To make matters worse he then didn’t disclose it to the club. He was very lucky to keep his job after that. He should have been on a final warning as far as I’m concerned. Now less than 2 years later he is involved in another alcohol-related incident. If the playing group consider this to be an unreasonable step then I think we have bigger problems than I thought.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Do you think the club haven’t let them know what is expected of them?

He refused to give a breath analysis for the first incident, which in my opinion counts as high-range drink driving. I think that’s a sackable offence on its own. To make matters worse he then didn’t disclose it to the club. He was very lucky to keep his job after that. He should have been on a final warning as far as I’m concerned. Now less than 2 years later he is involved in another alcohol-related incident. If the playing group consider this to be an unreasonable step then I think we have bigger problems than I thought.

I do think the club let them know what's expected of them and that's my point. I doubt they told them that any incident, however minor, means they're gone. There's no player behaviour crisis at Parra and no need to set an example. Keep calm and carry on.

 

[84 Baby]

It just reminds me of Norman and Edwards. Major incident followed by minor incident. Twice blindsiding the club and yes not being an integral member would mean it is severely thin ice he’s on

 

[Happy MEel]

I do think the club let them know what's expected of them and that's my point. I doubt they told them that any incident, however minor, means they're gone. There's no player behaviour crisis at Parra and no need to set an example. Keep calm and carry on.

How many incidents warrants a sacking then? Surely the cumulative number of f**k ups has to be considered.

Edit: the club seems to agree as Edwards was finally sacked for driving with a suspended licence (coincidentally he also tried to hide it from the club). That in isolation is hardly a sackable offence.

 

[Eelementary]

My problem with people saying "he's done it twice" is that they're two very different incidents.

What I meant was that he tried to hide it from the club, on two distinct occasions.

That's pretty poor form, I reckon...

 

[Happy MEel]

I do think the club let them know what's expected of them and that's my point. I doubt they told them that any incident, however minor, means they're gone. There's no player behaviour crisis at Parra and no need to set an example. Keep calm and carry on.

I’ll also bump @Noise’s post from mid last year listing our off field discretions. Since this was posted, T-Rex was sacked for illicit drugs, Hayne has been charged with sexual assault (uncontracted) and now Peni. Whether you want to label it a crisis or not, we certainly have an issue. It also seems to be the same culprits repeating their f**kheadery. We’ve gotten rid of two of them, brought one back (although fingers crossed he has learnt his lesson) and the other is currently suspended. You could also add Hayne but we were in the fortunate position of not having signed him yet when his latest indiscretion broke. Get rid of the merkin and hopefully start 2019 with a roster who appreciate the opportunity they have been given to represent OUR club!!

How seriously does BA really take discipline? Ive been thinking about the amount of negative off field incidents that have occurred since he has been in charge:

- Kaysa gets Kenny Edwards to take a drug test for him
- Kenny Edwards assault charge on the Gold Coast
- Junior Paulo road rage incident
- Corey Norman caught with ecstasy
- Junior Paulo and Corey Norman consorting with criminals
- Corey Norman and his Canadian Club pussy licking movie
- Peni Terepo careless driving and refusing to give a blood test (I wonder what was in his system?)
- T-Rex DUI charge
- Kenny Edwards intimidation charge
- Kenny Edwards suspended license, alleged driving with a suspended license and evading police. As well as failing to inform the club when it happened.

Is there anything I have missed? (Semi not guilty so I’m not including that incident)

The place is a f**king shambles

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

How many incidents warrants a sacking then? Surely the cumulative number of f**k ups has to be considered.

Edit: the club seems to agree as Edwards was finally sacked for driving with a suspended licence (coincidentally he also tried to hide it from the club). That in isolation is hardly a sackable offence.

Yes but not only the number of incidents but their seriousness. Edwards had a history before he even arrived at our club. Terepo only has the two I'm aware of. And the second one is dubious.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

What I meant was that he tried to hide it from the club, on two distinct occasions.

That's pretty poor form, I reckon...

Yeah I know mate but the not informing incidents are still not the same IMO. One was very clear and a major failure. The second maybe not so much.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I’ll also bump @Noise’s post from mid last year listing our off field discretions. Since this was posted, T-Rex was sacked for illicit drugs, Hayne has been charged with sexual assault (uncontracted) and now Peni. Whether you want to label it a crisis or not, we certainly have an issue. It also seems to be the same culprits repeating their f**kheadery. We’ve gotten rid of two of them, brought one back (although fingers crossed he has learnt his lesson) and the other is currently suspended. You could also add Hayne but we were in the fortunate position of not having signed him yet when his latest indiscretion broke. Get rid of the merkin and hopefully start 2019 with a roster who appreciate the opportunity they have been given to represent OUR club!!

I don't have the will to go through all clubs and their incidents and see how we compare. My guess is we're about average but I don't know. But my feeling is we are not in a crisis or need to draw new lines and make examples of people. I think that's usually an emotional reaction and mostly unnecessary and sometimes it's even plain counterproductive.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I think my reply was a little bit too emotional before. What I would like to see, not only for us but all clubs in this sort of situation, is that if a player is sent to rehab and time spent away from the game for say a year, that year is then added onto the player's contract. That way the club gets salary cap relief and a top 30 spot opened up while the player is seeking professional help.

We say to the NRL that we want to help Peni but at the same time us standing him down or sacking him at this point of the season hurts us more than it teaches him a lesson. So he's sent off to rehab and he does a talk in front of every Eels squad from 16's right through to first grade of the thing that he's done wrong. Then we can decide if we want him to return to the club or not have his contract extended. This way the player gets help from the club but then the club also benefits if they want to hold onto the player they get them for the year that they've lost. This could've applied in situations like down in Canberra with: Carney, and Dugan. I'm sure there's a few other players that've been in similar situations.

 

[T.S Quint]

At the very least the club should impose an alcohol ban on him.
Not only for the club’s sake, but seemingly his own as well.

If he decides that’s it’s more important for him to have a few drinks rather than play First Grade footy, then he gets the boot.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

At the very least the club should impose an alcohol ban on him.
Not only for the club’s sake, but seemingly his own as well.

If he decides that’s it’s more important for him to have a few drinks rather than play First Grade footy, then he gets the boot.

I'd like to see the senior players of the group put a self-imposed drinking ban on the squad. There wouldn't be any repercussions to drinking but you would be letting your teammates down if you do. You've got to look for every possible advantage over your opponents. I think getting a good 8 hours sleep every night, whilst your opposition may be up for 1 night a week would be massive in the long run. What's wrong with having a glass of cold, oat milk and getting into bed at 8:30?

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I think Gronk's viewpoint here is inconsistent. I think it's very consistent with his outlook on life.

Look at it this way - Gronk has basically said, "It's not Peni's fault. He's a victim of his biology!"

And that's the leftoid way - blame the Universe and dismiss any talk of self-control or responsibility.

Unless, of course, we're talking about gender. Then biology can be damned. There are as many genders as we want there to be to ensure our victimhood.

 

[Bandwagon]

At the very least the club should impose an alcohol ban on him.
Not only for the club’s sake, but seemingly his own as well.

If he decides that’s it’s more important for him to have a few drinks rather than play First Grade footy, then he gets the boot.

See this is a sensible reaction, if the guy's got issues when he's on the piss, then responsibility begins with recognising that as a problem and dealing with it.

I don't see how sacking him and essentially ruining his life ( or the alternative being another club just picks him up at a discount ) helps anyone, or changes anything.

The guys a human being, not an angel, and it's simply unrealistic to expect that people won't f**k up, and some will f**k up more than others. This instance on it's own is pretty f**king minor, and I don't accept that combined with an incident a year ago that it establishes a real pattern of poor behaviour, when also considering the guy has been with us 10 years or so and for all we know been a clean skin. ( we don't have any evidence to the contrary )

 

[strider]

2 years in a row ... Small sample size

 

[strider]

Any footy player who doesnt get that any time the police are called cos of something you did requires you to notify the club then they are either trouble or dumber than dog shit

 

[hineyrulz]

I’ll also bump @Noise’s post from mid last year listing our off field discretions. Since this was posted, T-Rex was sacked for illicit drugs, Hayne has been charged with sexual assault (uncontracted) and now Peni. Whether you want to label it a crisis or not, we certainly have an issue. It also seems to be the same culprits repeating their f**kheadery. We’ve gotten rid of two of them, brought one back (although fingers crossed he has learnt his lesson) and the other is currently suspended. You could also add Hayne but we were in the fortunate position of not having signed him yet when his latest indiscretion broke. Get rid of the merkin and hopefully start 2019 with a roster who appreciate the opportunity they have been given to represent OUR club!!

Anyone notice they are mainly all BA favs???


They gave really paid him back with loyalty.......

 

[hineyrulz]

I think Gronk's viewpoint here is inconsistent. I think it's very consistent with his outlook on life.

Look at it this way - Gronk has basically said, "It's not Peni's fault. He's a victim of his biology!"

And that's the leftoid way - blame the Universe and dismiss any talk of self-control or responsibility.

Unless, of course, we're talking about gender. Then biology can be damned. There are as many genders as we want there to be to ensure our victimhood.

Everyone loves playing the victim in modern society.

Nothing is anybody fault unless they vote right of centre.