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[Glenneel]

Who I think our next NRL coach should be.

What I would do if and when BA fails to win us a Premiership at the end of this season is go and try and convince Tim Sheens to be our next coach for two seasons. Hand him the keys to this Ferrari and tell him we are all in with whatever he needs. But I would also ask him if he would take Cameron Ciraldo as his understudy just like Wayne Bennett had Jason Demetriou at Souths.

I think that Ciraldo would go for it knowing that he would be guaranteed the NRL job at the end of it and the opportunity to be mentored by someone else that is also a great premiership coach that knows more about the game then almost anyone else at present and that it would round off his coaching apprenticeship just perfectly before he stepped into the big shoes.

Then also after the two seasons that Sheens has been coach I would tell Sheens that we have a Director of Junior Football job waiting for him that he can step right into. He is brilliant at setting up a club at all the lower levels and junior development and identification, but without all the fan fair and nonsense that Gus offers with it. I would offer him a 3 year contract with a 2 year club option. Also he and Mark O'Neill are old mates and I believe would probably work well together. I think that if we did it right we would have a good chance to get both and have a very strong coaching brains trust that could take us to the next level.

Also I think we should recommend to both Sheens and Ciraldo that if they like and agreed we take Trent Barrett on board when the Bulldogs spear him as our Attack coach, then we would have the 2 guys that helped Penrith get to play the way they do now. That would be a pretty formidable 3 pronged coaching team wouldn't it? Also if we kept consultants like Michael Ennis and brought others of similar quality on, we would be surrounding the squad with more knowledge and success then this club has had in its coaching ranks for quite a while.

If we couldn't convince Sheens to leave the Tigers(it would be very disappointing if we we couldn't) then I would offer Ciraldo the head coaching job straight away and and ask him if he wants Barrett when he is available. But for our current team I feel Sheens would give us a slightly better chance of nailing a premiership due to his formidable knowledge and experience. Not saying Ciraldo couldn't get us there though, just that Sheens has that experience and won't make any rookie mistakes that no matter how good a young coach is will invariably they make because of that lack of NRL experience. It takes a few seasons for all coaches to get it bedded down more or less.

Anyway that is what I would do and I think if anything like that were to happen we would be in brilliant hands for the next 5-10 years and be a very attractive club to come to. However this is all pie in the sky stuff and I can't see our club having this kind of forward thinking. I think they will ride out BA's contract and then react and hope there is someone of quality to appoint, but by then I think Ciraldo will be at the Dogs and they wouldn't dream of Sheens being part of this club, even though in my opinion he is probably the best coach that isn't coaching at present, with more experience then almost anyone in the game and knows how to win premierships and a great judge of footballers.

He is a man manager and knows what footballers want and need to get them playing to the best of their abilities. All he needs is the cattle and boy do we have the cattle for him right now. They just need someone of his quality and experience to get them to the finished product before it is to late.

Ram, thanks for War and Peace (please be more concise next time), but you've made some valid points. BA, and his assistants, have had ample time to get this club to the top and failed and I think its time for them to go.

I disagree with Sheens coming on board as head coach, when was the last time he actually coached? Years ago I would have thought and the game has moved on. Protentially could be another Gus Gould with all the dramas he creates including a toxic relationship with any and every coach under him. And the club suffers because of it and you only have to look at Penrith to see how they performed once they got rid of him.

Ciraldo would be a good pickup but again is a rookie coach similar to BA when he came here, and again could have the same long term problems. Maybe Sheens as his mentor as you have stated? What about Robinson from the Roosters? Appears he has become stale and possible he could negotiate his way out of his contract to come here, if he wants a new challenge. Regardless I think BA has to go and a new coach is needed and quickly.

Btw who is Cowboys defensive coach? Has done an amazing job this year with a team of young and experienced players mixed with a few rejects. Their defence last night was incredible and would love Parra to defend like that.

 

[Glenneel]

Eels signed Dantoray Lui end of last year, so unsure why you have concluded that we see Jake as anything other than backup and useful right now. We also have Ethan Sanders in Flegg who is playing a couple of years up.

Eels grab boom rookie from rival NRL club

Heir apparent to Moses locked in

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Very quick and can throw a great right to left pass, but can he throw them the other way?

 

[Gazzamatta]

Why would Jake be offered to The Storm. Thats a head scratcher.
. Is it because hes not good enough. Surely not if hes displaced our in form 5/8?
. Is it because we are unable to develop him into the player he could be?
. Is it because BA knows Bellamy will teach him the skills required that he cant?
. Is his presence creating an uneasiness within the playing group.
. Is it a way to take pressure off BA.
. Would it be part of the plan to have him return after being Bellyached?
. Would Bellamy want him?
As I said, its a bit of a head scratcher.

 

[TheRam]

I, for one, and becoming less, and less sure of that.

We had 24 tackles in the opposition 20m zone after 30 minutes last night - Moses created nothing.

And that issue has been prevalent for a few years now.

Against the Tigers, he could have iced the game - and he missed the field goal.

He has shelved his running game for some reason (which has always been his biggest asset). Maybe it's Arthur's plan, but as one-dimensional as he is as a coach, surely he's not that daft...

He's not exactly reliable under pressure.

I, for one, would not be too upset if he left because he thinks he's worth $1 million per year, because he simply isn't playing like a player who deserves $1 million per year.

His replacement cannot be Jake, as Jake has no business in First Grade currently - but Moses needs to step up.

I would trade him for Hastings.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Ram, thanks for War and Peace (please be more concise next time), but you've made some valid points. BA, and his assistants, have had ample time to get this club to the top and failed and I think its time for them to go.

I disagree with Sheens coming on board as head coach, when was the last time he actually coached? Years ago I would have thought and the game has moved on. Protentially could be another Gus Gould with all the dramas he creates including a toxic relationship with any and every coach under him. And the club suffers because of it and you only have to look at Penrith to see how they performed once they got rid of him.

Ciraldo would be a good pickup but again is a rookie coach similar to BA when he came here, and again could have the same long term problems. Maybe Sheens as his mentor as you have stated? What about Robinson from the Roosters? Appears he has become stale and possible he could negotiate his way out of his contract to come here, if he wants a new challenge. Regardless I think BA has to go and a new coach is needed and quickly.

Btw who is Cowboys defensive coach? Has done an amazing job this year with a team of young and experienced players mixed with a few rejects. Their defence last night was incredible and would love Parra to defend like that.

Dean Young was mentioned last night. Maybe so but we need to cast our minds back to Peytons short tenure at The Worriers. Hes a strong character who has specific ideas. He was asked the secret to the Cows D turnaround. Primarily he said "repetition". Persistent pays.

 

[Eelementary]

Parramatta have six months to usher Mitchell Moses into the million-dollar club or risk their star half heading to the open market.

News Corp understands that there is every chance Moses will explore his options if his representatives and the club fail to reach agreement on an extension in coming months.

The Eels, having only just put contract negotiations with some of their biggest names in the rear view mirror, have no time to rest.

Moses aside, they have a six-month window to extend the deals of Moses, Will Penisini, Nathan Brown, Dylan Brown, Jake Arthur, Bryce Cartwright and Shaun Lane.


All would have no trouble finding a home elsewhere on the open market.

Moses, however, shapes as the most daunting prospect for the Eels as they cast their gaze towards November 1 as he eyes a six figure pay rise.

The Eels superstar has an option in his contract for the 2024 season but he is unlikely to take that up unless there is a million-dollar commitment down the track given he is now regarded among the elite No. 7s in the game.

Daly Cherry-Evans has been a member of the million-dollar club for some time.

Nathan Cleary is well and truly in that wage bracket. So too Ben Hunt, who is coming to the end of a lucrative deal that has paid him seven figures for some time.


It’s an elite field but Moses doesn’t look out of place. His future shapes as one of the big talking points as clock ticks down to November 1, when more than 150 players worth more than $50 million will enter the final year of their current deals, making them free to sign deals with rival clubs.

Moses has a handful of teammates who the club would be keen to extend. Dylan Brown has rediscovered his best touch. Brown will earn $800,000 in his final year. The Eels have already opened negotiations with centre Penisini, who is regarded as one of the best young players in the game and can double his $250,000 salary.

Jake Arthur, son of Parramatta coach Brad, has already been offered to the Melbourne Storm and his future at the Eels may hinge on whether the club is able to reach new deals with Brown and Moses.

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"Moses aside, they have a six month window to extend the deals of Moses..."

*sigh*

Great job, editor.

 

[TheRam]

Dean Young was mentioned last night. Maybe so but we need to cast our minds back to Peytons short tenure at The Worriers. Hes a strong character who has specific ideas. He was asked the secret to the Cows D turnaround. Primarily he said "repetition". Persistent pays.

Same goes for attack, but apparently we don't even review that.

 

[the phantom menace]

"Moses aside, they have a six month window to extend the deals of Moses..."

*sigh*

Great job, editor.

Yep, maybe they meant "Moses' choice aside"?

Maybe Moses just wants (wanted) a longer contract than his player option (rather than more money), because he believes (believed) in what we were building here etc etc... but after last night I'm not sure that belief would be as strong - and his asking price probably took a bit of a tumble too!

 

[IFR33K]

I, for one, and becoming less, and less sure of that.

We had 24 tackles in the opposition 20m zone after 30 minutes last night - Moses created nothing.

And that issue has been prevalent for a few years now.

Against the Tigers, he could have iced the game - and he missed the field goal.

He has shelved his running game for some reason (which has always been his biggest asset). Maybe it's Arthur's plan, but as one-dimensional as he is as a coach, surely he's not that daft...

He's not exactly reliable under pressure.

I, for one, would not be too upset if he left because he thinks he's worth $1 million per year, because he simply isn't playing like a player who deserves $1 million per year.

His replacement cannot be Jake, as Jake has no business in First Grade currently - but Moses needs to step up.

He certainly has hopeless friends out there. He provides us so much, his kicking and running game.

what have rheed and Gutho done this season?

I’m not sure Moses is the issue. But when you have a cheeky, quick and smart hooker, NOT playing to his strengths, I believe the rest of the team will suffer.

we really need Rheed to start creating chances with his running game. We’re too one dimensional and it starts with him, not Moses.

 

[Glenneel]

I would trade him for Hastings.

Even W-T couldn't be that stupid, could they? Maybe let MM go and bring Hastings on board for less than $1m?

 

[emjaycee]

Why would Jake be offered to The Storm. Thats a head scratcher.
. Is it because hes not good enough. Surely not if hes displaced our in form 5/8?
. Is it because we are unable to develop him into the player he could be?
. Is it because BA knows Bellamy will teach him the skills required that he cant?
. Is his presence creating an uneasiness within the playing group.
. Is it a way to take pressure off BA.
. Would it be part of the plan to have him return after being Bellyached?
. Would Bellamy want him?
As I said, its a bit of a head scratcher.

Might be that he isnt in our long term plans.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Why would Jake be offered to The Storm. Thats a head scratcher.
. Is it because hes not good enough. Surely not if hes displaced our in form 5/8?
. Is it because we are unable to develop him into the player he could be?
. Is it because BA knows Bellamy will teach him the skills required that he cant?
. Is his presence creating an uneasiness within the playing group.
. Is it a way to take pressure off BA.
. Would it be part of the plan to have him return after being Bellyached?
. Would Bellamy want him?
As I said, its a bit of a head scratcher.

Maybe we offered a straight swap for Hughes.

 

[TheRam]

Ram, thanks for War and Peace (please be more concise next time), but you've made some valid points. BA, and his assistants, have had ample time to get this club to the top and failed and I think its time for them to go.

I disagree with Sheens coming on board as head coach, when was the last time he actually coached? Years ago I would have thought and the game has moved on. Protentially could be another Gus Gould with all the dramas he creates including a toxic relationship with any and every coach under him. And the club suffers because of it and you only have to look at Penrith to see how they performed once they got rid of him.

Ciraldo would be a good pickup but again is a rookie coach similar to BA when he came here, and again could have the same long term problems. Maybe Sheens as his mentor as you have stated? What about Robinson from the Roosters? Appears he has become stale and possible he could negotiate his way out of his contract to come here, if he wants a new challenge. Regardless I think BA has to go and a new coach is needed and quickly.

Btw who is Cowboys defensive coach? Has done an amazing job this year with a team of young and experienced players mixed with a few rejects. Their defence last night was incredible and would love Parra to defend like that.

Sheens just finished coaching in Super League last season. I know it isn't NRL standard but he isn't exactly a dummy. He knows what to do with a quality roster. At his age, like Bennett he wouldn't and shouldn't want the stress of having to go through all the hard losses and rebuilding stage to get them ready for a title in 3-5 years time. Bennett only opted for the Dolphins job, because he wanted to keep coaching and be back in QLD and there weren't any other clubs to go to. As for being another Gus, what? The guy has never had any drama like that ever and is doing a wonderful job of supporting Tigers coach Maguire at the moment without getting in the way at all.

Robinson is not stale at the Rooster, you have it the wrong way around, some of their players are stale and a little passed it. They need some new and fresh blood in the forwards in particular to get them going again. They lost a lot of experience and quality from the last season or two. But there is no way Politis is letting Robinson go though with plans already under foot to extend him on a long term deal. If the Roosters keep playing like they currently are and don't fire this season, watch them become big movers in the player market.

I still think a Sheens-Ciraldo combo would be a master stroke and a winner. Anyway we won't be doing anything like it and will hold onto the dud one trick pony BA till his contract expires and then if he has a very good, but not winning the premiership last season we will probably extend him again. If he has a poor last season, we will cut him but then hire, well who knows who of quality will be available then? It will probably be an average experienced coach or a rookie that isn't all that highly regarded and unknown quantity.

 

[Eelementary]

He certainly has hopeless friends out there. He provides us so much, his kicking and running game.

what have rheed and Gutho done this season?

I’m not sure Moses is the issue. But when you have a cheeky, quick and smart hooker, NOT playing to his strengths, I believe the rest of the team will suffer.

we really need Rheed to start creating chances with his running game. We’re too one dimensional and it starts with him, not Moses.

He definitely needs help.

But when we have 24 tackles in our opponents' 20m zone, and come away empty-handed, that's on Moses.

And his struggle to turn field territory into points has been going on for years.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Parramatta have six months to usher Mitchell Moses into the million-dollar club or risk their star half heading to the open market.

News Corp understands that there is every chance Moses will explore his options if his representatives and the club fail to reach agreement on an extension in coming months.

The Eels, having only just put contract negotiations with some of their biggest names in the rear view mirror, have no time to rest.

Moses aside, they have a six-month window to extend the deals of Moses, Will Penisini, Nathan Brown, Dylan Brown, Jake Arthur, Bryce Cartwright and Shaun Lane.


All would have no trouble finding a home elsewhere on the open market.

Moses, however, shapes as the most daunting prospect for the Eels as they cast their gaze towards November 1 as he eyes a six figure pay rise.

The Eels superstar has an option in his contract for the 2024 season but he is unlikely to take that up unless there is a million-dollar commitment down the track given he is now regarded among the elite No. 7s in the game.

Daly Cherry-Evans has been a member of the million-dollar club for some time.

Nathan Cleary is well and truly in that wage bracket. So too Ben Hunt, who is coming to the end of a lucrative deal that has paid him seven figures for some time.


It’s an elite field but Moses doesn’t look out of place. His future shapes as one of the big talking points as clock ticks down to November 1, when more than 150 players worth more than $50 million will enter the final year of their current deals, making them free to sign deals with rival clubs.

Moses has a handful of teammates who the club would be keen to extend. Dylan Brown has rediscovered his best touch. Brown will earn $800,000 in his final year. The Eels have already opened negotiations with centre Penisini, who is regarded as one of the best young players in the game and can double his $250,000 salary.

Jake Arthur, son of Parramatta coach Brad, has already been offered to the Melbourne Storm and his future at the Eels may hinge on whether the club is able to reach new deals with Brown and Moses.

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Sounds like it's a bit late to hit the panic button.

 

[the phantom menace]

Agree Moses has struggled to consistently convert field position into points over a few seasons now. Though while Moses is expected to drive those point scoring opportunities, he shouldn't be alone - there's a spine for good reason, to make things less perdicatable and less easy for the other team to shut down by targeting a sole playmaker.

Moving our first choice 6 out of the spine to centre has flow ons to that menu of attacking options - Brown wasn't as much an option closer to the middle (as he had to keep structure), Mahoney was more limited in his choices, Gutherson was less effective chiming in.

Cowboys spine of nuffies comprehensovely out performed our spine containing 75% first choice options - but the removal of the 25% has more than a 25% impact on our attack and potential pointscoring.

 

[IFR33K]

f**k imagine if we lost Moses to have Jake step into half 2012-2013 all over again

this is what I seriously fear

 

[IFR33K]

If Brad let Moses go, to keep Jake, the Leagues Club, and CommBank, would be burned to the ground!

*brad

 

[IFR33K]

He definitely needs help.

But when we have 24 tackles in our opponents' 20m zone, and come away empty-handed, that's on Moses.

And his struggle to turn field territory into points has been going on for years.

If Drown is on the other side of the ruck, creating chances It’ll take great pressure off Moses.

as it stands last night and most of the year, it’s all fallen on Moses shoulders. Gutho has been average, as has rheed, who had a breakout season last year.

Dylan has stood up, but then he’s been knocked back down to reality, by our genius. Hopefully he doesn’t take his ‘demotion’ personal, and is able to carry on the great form back at 5/8.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Might be that he isnt in our long term plans.

Well if he isn't then someone who shall remain nameless isnt either. Watch this space. Are you home or still enjoying the delights of Darwin?