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[JokerEel]

He is listed at 180cm. I wouldn't really think of that being small for a DH. Skinny is generally easy to fix and within a couple of years with the right program for the individual it can be fixed. He has a 92.3 tackle efficiency rate which makes him one of the better defenders for that position.

Skinny we can deal with, midget is another whole kettle of fish and in the lap of the footy Gods.

I would still go after Phoenix. I think he is gonna just keep getting better(already getting into the elite class) and the bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.

Elite class blow your load a bit early......

 

[TheRam]

That's where I wish we had a better cup coach but who knows maybe Cayless will surprise us all especially with Rankin the Flegg coach next year..

Cayless is a dud. He was a dud captain and I can't see where or how he has changed enough to be considered a teacher(coach) of young minds. By all accounts he wasn't a talker on the field and led by example when he was our captain. So who here would say that they learnt well at school from the teacher that said very little? Being on the field and responding to a see monkey do monkey leader is one thing, especially when you have playmakers on the field that hopefully are doing the majority of the talking.

But teaching and inspiring and influencing individuals to think a different way is a totally different kind of ball game.

Good teaching(coaching) is more then just knowing your sh*t, it is about connecting and figuring out what makes each individual tick and you having the nous and verbal skill to hit the right buttons to get a positive reaction from them. Look at the best in the business Bennett, most say he isn't a genius on the X's and O's of the game, he is a people/players coach. He gets people and knows how to motivate them to be the best they can and they love him. The people whisperer.

Something we haven't had at our club in decades all the way up to NRL level.

 

[TheRam]

can you imagine him coaching the likes of Lynn, Sanders, Talagi, Penisini. All those poor talented kids will have the endure his words of wisdom. Hopefully they don’t lose their talent.

Exactly.

Well we lost almost our entire GF NRLW squad from last season by the looks of it due to us appointing a dud coach in Widders. So lets not be surprised if we can't hold onto the better talented ones again this time around considering who we have guiding their young bodies and minds and it's not like it gets heaps better at NRL level for them either. They look forward and all they can see is Potato Head perched up there waiting to to inspire and motivate them to chase the collision like a train hitting a wall every game. I'm sure they can't wait.

 

[TheRam]

Isn't he also up there in speed with the likes of Saab and Koula? It's a yes from me to go after him

Yes but he is behind those two. Saab is the quickest, then Koula.

 

[pazzaeel]

it depends if the same suspects don't get sand on their Vejayjays when or if it happens.

he looked good in the highlights of the flegg final against penrith

 

[TheRam]

Elite class blow your load a bit early......

Well sure, but he is getting there. He just needs to add his kicking game to his play and a few of the more subtleties that a DH learns the more he plays there and with the base now that he has, he will be right up there with the best, unless injury intervenes of course.

Remember he hasn't even had an offseason training there yet. Once he starts getting proper mentoring and tutelage solely as a DH, his game should really start to expand. He hasn't even kicked one forced dropout yet. That isn't because he can't kick, he used to be a half ffs. I would suspect because initially him playing there would have been seen by everyone as a stop gap measure that they had to make due to Jayden Brailey's long term injury so they probably told him to focus on all the basics and do the essentials right and not to even think of the bells and whistle stuff just for now. Passing and tackling would have been the order from above. Get that right and you stay in the team and once the base is built then we can expand onto all the other stuff that will make you more complete and a weapon.

I expect a lot more from him next season. I could be wrong, but I don't think so, because he is an effort type of player. He looks hungry to learn and being a former half, you know he will be up to it. I just hope we at Parra realise that we have two average DH's and a small junior that could be good, but at best is 3-5 years away from being an NRL player and even then it will take him 2-3 years to become real quality and up to the speed and physicality of the game, if ever.

So what do we do in the meantime, persist with two average DH's, in a vital position in the team? Or do we recognise that there is a player that would walk straight into our 17 as is even before he is polished up further and get him here while he would still be affordable and the Knights currently can't guarantee him a starting position. Also he is a genuine 80 minutes player that can tackle and doesn't get bumped off all that much for a DH. Currently 4th best defender in that position and averages a tick over 35 tackles a game. That alone should be cause for us to want to sign him considering how poor our defense can be.

 

[JokerEel]

Well sure, but he is getting there. He just needs to add his kicking game to his play and a few of the more subtleties that a DH learns the more he plays there and with the base now that he has, he will be right up there with the best, unless injury intervenes of course.

Remember he hasn't even had an offseason training there yet. Once he starts getting proper mentoring and tutelage solely as a DH, his game should really start to expand. He hasn't even kicked one forced dropout yet. That isn't because he can't kick, he used to be a half ffs. I would suspect because initially him playing there would have been seen by everyone as a stop gap measure that they had to make due to Jayden Brailey's long term injury so they probably told him to focus on all the basics and do the essentials right and not to even think of the bells and whistle stuff just for now. Passing and tackling would have been the order from above. Get that right and you stay in the team and once the base is built then we can expand onto all the other stuff that will make you more complete and a weapon.

I expect a lot more from him next season. I could be wrong, but I don't think so, because he is an effort type of player. He looks hungry to learn and being a former half, you know he will be up to it. I just hope we at Parra realise that we have two average DH's and a small junior that could be good, but at best is 3-5 years away from being an NRL player and even then it will take him 2-3 years to become real quality and up to the speed and physicality of the game, if ever.

So what do we do in the meantime, persist with two average DH's, in a vital position in the team? Or do we recognise that there is a player that would walk straight into our 17 as is even before he is polished up further and get him here while he would still be affordable and the Knights currently can't guarantee him a starting position. Also he is a genuine 80 minutes player that can tackle and doesn't get bumped off all that much for a DH. Currently 4th best defender in that position and averages a tick over 35 tackles a game. That alone should be cause for us to want to sign him considering how poor our defense can be.

He will be in the UK in 1-2 seasons...

Penrith's Dummy halves is all I am going to say you over think waaay too much..

 

[The Predictor]

I would say we should be making GF's on average every 5 years or less even and winning more then we lose. Anything less then that in a weak 17 team comp is in my mind a failure.

Look at the Panthers, the only team that got their sh*t together in the last 5 years and the comp being so weak they are looking at a threepeat. It wouldn't take all that much in this comp now if you have your sh*t together and a nursery that keeps on producing, which is the key.

Can’t see it happening if we don’t overhaul CEO and others who are just as clueless

 

[Gronk]

Cayless is a dud.

Because he should have been able to turn all those Ron Massey players into winners ? That playing a second rower like Dan Keir at 6 and Lume in the centres and Cini at fullback is just an excuse ?

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I know there is a anti-cayless theme in these pages this year, but when he got some decent players through the rotation of flegg players and f**king off of RM players he won 4 of his last 5.

 

[JokerEel]

Because he should have been able to turn all those Ron Massey players into winners ? That playing a second rower like Dan Keir at 6 and Lume in the centres and Cini at fullback is just an excuse ?

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I know there is a anti-cayless theme in these pages this year, but when he got some decent players through the rotation of flegg players and f**king off of RM players he won 4 of his last 5.

Wow look at that side! 1 starting player that has a future

 

[Gazzamatta]

Because he should have been able to turn all those Ron Massey players into winners ? That playing a second rower like Dan Keir at 6 and Lume in the centres and Cini at fullback is just an excuse ?

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I know there is a anti-cayless theme in these pages this year, but when he got some decent players through the rotation of flegg players and f**king off of RM players he won 4 of his last 5.

The Cool Team were quick to announce and congratulate Captain Rankin into his new role in 2024 while stating Brennan had done a terrific job with his team this year. They stopped short at that point. I assumed he would follow the younguns into Cup but no mention whatsoever. I felt Brennan may be leaving although its just my spider senses. Hope not. Any idea Gronky?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well they didn't know how bad Hodgson was. But other then you and a couple of other dingbats, we all did.

Stick that into your plug hole and shut it.

Troll!

It's unfortunate that he did his ACL five minutes after we signed him but that's the risk you take with any player. We know it was a freak accident because it never happened again.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Cayless is a dud. He was a dud captain and I can't see where or how he has changed enough to be considered a teacher(coach) of young minds.

He's not involved with development other than coaching the reserve grade team (with about 50% part time park footballers) a couple of nights a week and on game days. The members of the NRL squad are full time professionals, even the ones at the bottom of the top 30 and in the development list) and they do most of their training through the week with the NRL coaching staff. As I said the only time they have anything to do with the reserve grade coach is when they are selected in reserve grade, and when they train with the part-timers a couple of nights a week.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

chase the collision like a train hitting a wall every game

We move the ball better than almost every other team. The proof is in us leading the comp for offloads as well as having the second-best ratio for converting tackle breaks to line breaks.

 

[Gronk]

The Cool Team were quick to announce and congratulate Captain Rankin into his new role in 2024 while stating Brennan had done a terrific job with his team this year. They stopped short at that point. I assumed he would follow the younguns into Cup but no mention whatsoever. I felt Brennan may be leaving although its just my spider senses. Hope not. Any idea Gronky?

Well his team were going dogshit until he got those Ball players. So maybe he didn't do as well as expected ?

 

[TheRam]

Because he should have been able to turn all those Ron Massey players into winners ? That playing a second rower like Dan Keir at 6 and Lume in the centres and Cini at fullback is just an excuse ?

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I know there is a anti-cayless theme in these pages this year, but when he got some decent players through the rotation of flegg players and f**king off of RM players he won 4 of his last 5.

No because he is a dud.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

I love how some of you guys have such fixed opinions based on what you read in the media and f**k all else.

 

[TheRam]

We move the ball better than almost every other team. The proof is in us leading the comp for offloads as well as having the second-best ratio for converting tackle breaks to line breaks.

We should be leading the comp in defense. The attack usually comes off the back of that. Very few teams in history have ever won a GF with their defense being ordinary, but relied mainly on an attack that was great.

Oh and if you think that being the best offloading team in the comp means you actually are the best offense team even though statistically you might be, shows how little you understand the game. Even when the Tigers won the comp on the back of their attack as opposed to defense, it was more the brilliance of the players with ball in hand and their connectivity and some very astute playmakers in Prince and Farah guiding them around then relying on offloads that the better teams will usually shut down. Offloads should be a great supplement to your arsenal in attack, not your main weapon. What happens if the offloads don't stick, what do you do then? Oh yeah we don't have a plan B as we have seen so many freakin times.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Offloads should be a great supplement to your arsenal in attack, not your main weapon.

It depends on the makeup of your squad.

What happens if the offloads don't stick, what do you do then? Oh yeah we don't have a plan B as we have seen so many freakin times.

Except we don't make the same number of offloads every game and we don't always make more offloads in a game than the opposition. We are the offloads leaders over 24 games, not in every single match. We offload according to match conditions, not because it's our only attacking option. But what we do lack is tackle breakers that make attacking footy look easy.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Yes but he is behind those two. Saab is the quickest, then Koula.

I would love to see those 2 in a race. I'd be surprised if Saab is actually quicker (which is a surprising thing to say given that Saab is generally accepted as the quickest in the NRL)

Koula ran a 10.58 100m - so if Saab is quicker, might be worth switching him over to the Olympic squad