Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

There are heaps that are better but don't get to jump the line

They’ll get the opportunity to get as many TAs in reserve grade as Jake Arthur when they know how to tackle. Until then he is superior.

 

[parra pete]

Lol settle down, he's had 3 games in Sydney. 2 of which have been trials. Let's see how he goes for the rest of the season and if he makes it to 21's.

Same as the Roosters did with Sam Walker....Chuck him in at the deep end and see how he goes..in 2024 I mean (just make sure he can get outta the bag)...The good players hafta start somewhere.
Not worried about this year..Pretty confident Moses will re-sign anyway..

 

[JokerEel]

There are heaps that are better but don't get to jump the line

Here are these "stats" again

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep, good players have good stats. Must just be a coincidence.

 

[T-Boon]

Yep, good players have good stats. Must just be a coincidence.

Jordan Rankin was great then

 

[Gazzamatta]

Yep, good players have good stats. Must just be a coincidence.

 

[JokerEel]

Jordan Rankin was great then

Is that another stat?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

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And it's true, stats aren't always reliable. But when we disagree, stats are the only objective measure we have. You might only like nippy halves, and not even notice TAs from less dangerous runners like Jake Arthur. That's when stats are more reliable than whatever you think you saw.

Obviously, some stats are better indicators than others.

Here's the top ten for TAs in the NRL last year: https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2022&stat=35

I would be surprised if you thought any of them weren't good players (the only ones who haven't won a comp are Cody Walker and the Parramatta players), so you should agree that TAs are a reliable indicator of quality.

Here's the top ten for NSW Cup TAs last year. You'll note Jake Arthur is there despite only playing half the season: https://www.nswrl.com.au/stats/players/?competition=113&season=2022&stat=35

 

[Eelementary]

Where’s the talk coming from, about developing him into an edge forward?

I'd say it's because he has a frame that is suited to it.

He's shown that he has decent speed before (not blinding, but ok - his chip and chase try against the Tigers, his try in the Grand Final, he set up a few tries in NSW Cup by backing up the player who broke the line).

I think he will end up in the forwards.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The most reliable stat for playmakers is, as I've said before, LBAs. The fact that stats aren't always reliable doesn't change the fact that LBAs over a significant sample of games is a great indicator of quality. Here's top LBAs for NRL players last year: https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2022&stat=31

Here's them for NSW Cup: https://www.nswrl.com.au/stats/players/?competition=113&season=2022&stat=31

As you can see, young Jake Arthur is nowhere near the top, as confirmed by your observations. He is much younger than most of those players, but Sandon Smith is the same age and he outperformed Arthur as a playmaker (and Sam Walker is the same age as both of them). But then Arthur was superior to Smith in defence and kicking (metres and forced drop outs). He also tackles better than Walker.

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Sandon Smith

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They are just two different types of halves. Obviously fans prefer the flashy type, but there's a place in the game for safe, high-effort players like Arthur. I reckon he's a chance of becoming a first grader.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Same as the Roosters did with Sam Walker....Chuck him in at the deep end and see how he goes..in 2024 I mean (just make sure he can get outta the bag)...The good players hafta start somewhere.
Not worried about this year..Pretty confident Moses will re-sign anyway..

Sam Walker isn't a great example. He's in a team full of origin and international players, not exactly a trial by fire as you're portraying.

Here's another example. Tepai Moeroa. He was old enough because he was good enough. Put into first grade after 1.5 games of reserve grade. Bevan French? On the other end of the spectrum we have Marata Niukore and Will Penisini. There were calls to have them put into first grade earlier than they debuted.

 

[hindy111]

Sam Walker isn't a great example. He's in a team full of origin and international players, not exactly a trial by fire as you're portraying.

Here's another example. Tepai Moeroa. He was old enough because he was good enough. Put into first grade after 1.5 games of reserve grade. Bevan French? On the other end of the spectrum we have Marata Niukore and Will Penisini. There were calls to have them put into first grade earlier than they debuted.

I look at Penriths way and they seem to hold kids back a little longer. Most seem to be atleast 20 before they are in the top grade regularly

 

[IFR33K]

I'd say it's because he has a frame that is suited to it.

He's shown that he has decent speed before (not blinding, but ok - his chip and chase try against the Tigers, his try in the Grand Final, he set up a few tries in NSW Cup by backing up the player who broke the line).

I think he will end up in the forwards.

In what grade?

 

[Eelementary]

In what grade?

Well, obviously in NSW Cup.

If he performs well, then who knows?

But I doubt he will remain in the halves.

 

[Glenneel]

Big wraps on Josh Lynn....if you're good enough you're old enough...

Yes apparently we have the 2 best young halves coming thru - lets hope that actually works out unlike the other best halves we've had. But if Mitch does sign for 4 years or so we'll probably lose them and end up with a nuffy for a half.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

The most reliable stat for playmakers is, as I've said before, LBAs. The fact that stats aren't always reliable doesn't change the fact that LBAs over a significant sample of games is a great indicator of quality. Here's top LBAs for NRL players last year: https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?competition=111&season=2022&stat=31

Here's them for NSW Cup: https://www.nswrl.com.au/stats/players/?competition=113&season=2022&stat=31

As you can see, young Jake Arthur is nowhere near the top, as confirmed by your observations. He is much younger than most of those players, but Sandon Smith is the same age and he outperformed Arthur as a playmaker (and Sam Walker is the same age as both of them). But then Arthur was superior to Smith in defence and kicking (metres and forced drop outs). He also tackles better than Walker.

Official The Knock On Effect NSW Cup profile of Jakob Arthur for Parramatta Eels NSW Cup | NSWRL

The The Knock On Effect NSW Cup profile of Jakob Arthur including career statistics, season stats, games, tries, goals, tackles and fantasy scores.

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Sandon Smith

The The Knock On Effect NSW Cup profile of Sandon Smith including career statistics, season stats, games, tries, goals, tackles and fantasy scores.

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They are just two different types of halves. Obviously fans prefer the flashy type, but there's a place in the game for safe, high-effort players like Arthur. I reckon he's a chance of becoming a first grader.

one of reasons I think JA may end being be a fair player as a spine player is his run metres. It’s always up around 100m in NSW cup, which is pretty good for a half especially young one like him.

It indicates he is willing to “dig” into the defence and take a “knock”, but halves doing this also creates a lot space for his outside players (defence line has to make a decision with less time to adjust). A lot of halves don’t do this.

and he aren’t a slug like a lot have suggested……he has enough pace for a half. Yeah he won’t be the quickest, but halves don’t need to be either….

 

[Glenneel]

Its a big year for young Jake I reckon.
. BA stating he wants Jake to play NSW regularly this season to continue to learn as a half.
. Captain Rankin continuing to play is a bit of a mystery. Is he there for guidance because if JR plays he runs the show. New 2nds coach so this may change.
. TCT stating Jake trained primarily as a half during pre season yet hes now being discussed as a relief option for Hodgo and also some talk to develop him into an edge forward.
I guess the hierarchy know what they are doing but its a bit confusing. As long as Jake isnt confused who cares I suppose. I wish the kid well and if merited, he get opportunites accordingly.
Its very f'n exciting.

Not sure why people continue to put shit on Jake, put shit on his father for putting him there!!! He is a good YOUNG kid who has composure and vision but a bit slow with his passes AND needs to play regular Flegg to learn his trade. May never be a top shelf half but needs to stay away from first grade until becomes better. As I've said previously, his best move would be to leave the club and go elsewhere to take the pressure off him, maybe Tigpies could replace Brooks with him - couldn't do any worse!

 

[Gronk]

Yes apparently we have the 2 best young halves coming thru - lets hope that actually works out unlike the other best halves we've had. But if Mitch does sign for 4 years or so we'll probably lose them and end up with a nuffy for a half.

Contingency planning is a thing. If you end up with $1m half for 4 years, then shirley that’s not a bad thing.

 

[hindy111]

In what grade?

I for one don't see him moving to the forwards and am stumped people suggest it. Forwards need to be big and strong powerful men.Tough and aggressive. Just cause Matterson did? Matto was a large unit and powerfull.
JA is tall and will fill out more but he is lanky and just isn't a forward in any way at all. It would be like suggesting Turbo should move to 2nd row. Similar body shape.

 

[Gronk]

I for one don't see him moving to the forwards and am stumped people suggest it. Forwards need to be big and strong powerful men.Tough and aggressive. Just cause Matterson did? Matto was a large unit and powerfull.
JA is tall and will fill out more but he is lanky and just isn't a forward in any way at all. It would be like suggesting Turbo should move to 2nd row. Similar body shape.