Sack Griffin

[Avenger]

From an outsider looking in he seems to polarise any team he coaches. Don’t be like us. Rip the band off and start again.

 

[TruSaint]

Your expectations must've changed somewhere along the way then mate because you said bottom 4 in the round 4 v Newcastle thread.

Im sure of you go back over 10 years or so mate, you will find a post or two where I thought Mary was a decent coach, Chase Stanley would be an immortal, and we would go undefeated in 2011.

If you pick my game day threads, ... well you have have some fun there.

Point is, its a footy forum and as much as you seem to want to make it a clinical / stats orientated debate, fans are passionate. Taking the emotion out of the debate is impossible.

Im not saying we shouldn't look at stats, but we should do so in context.

Having a good completion rate, and not missing many tackles is great. Doing so without any punch in attack wont deliver the golden 2 points.

 

[Inisai Toga]

Don’t think Griffin had a better side than McGregor at all. By his own admission previous coach claimed this is the side he wanted.
Conversely, Griffin inherited a pretty ordinary squad, players leaving or retiring not to mention rule changes, suspensions and events that would have rocked the best team in the comp. Most people i knew had Saints coming last. I just find it hard to judge him on what’s transpired this year. Everyone to their own opinion but i don’t think he looks defeated at all in the press conference. In fact staggered by his stoicism. He’s hardly had a combination to work with for about 10 weeks. It’s a tough ride but it’ll take time.

 

[blacksafake]

Hook should say it as he actually sees it. Surely he must be able to see it the same as us and that we are well and truly out of finals contention for this year and who knows that it could be a repeat next year. Who is he kidding?

He cannot gloss it over and should tell it like it is, plain and simple - "just not good enough from the guys this year. Me and the other assistants will need to improve our methods of coaching or we will be out of jobs. Man management skills by us have to improve and we are deadset in need of a better strength and condition guy and get our bloody recruitment right by signing a coupe of speedy men, tough and rough and no beg your pardon younger middle hit men, none of this reserve grade rubbish we now have. I am sorry for the way that this year has turned out after a promising start. I just forgot that we still had 20 rounds of football to be played... I am sorry".

I wonder where Linespeed and the Silverdale Phantom are nowadays?

IMO publicly throwing the towel in is the wrong way to go about it. He would know what’s ahead & how near impossible it’s going to be but as a head coach he needs the players, supporters & sponsors to believe in them. It’s part of having a good culture which is part of where he’s trying to take the club.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Im sure of you go back over 10 years or so mate, you will find a post or two where I thought Mary was a decent coach, Chase Stanley would be an immortal, and we would go undefeated in 2011.

If you pick my game day threads, ... well you have have some fun there.

Point is, its a footy forum and as much as you seem to want to make it a clinical / stats orientated debate, fans are passionate. Taking the emotion out of the debate is impossible.

Im not saying we shouldn't look at stats, but we should do so in context.

Having a good completion rate, and not missing many tackles is great. Doing so without any punch in attack wont deliver the golden 2 points.

Fair enough mate but saying something 10 years ago in a different day and age is a bit different to making a blatant misleading statement for the purpose of a forum debate when you have a post from 16 weeks prior indicating the exact opposite. If your view changes, fine, but at least qualify that instead of implying your view has been consistent the whole time.

I'm happy to debate in here and enjoy it but for the purpose of a debate, making misleading statements defeats it.

I agree we weren't good enough last night with the ball in hand and that's where the game was won and lost, but from what I saw it was a definite improvement on past performances and I personally can take some hope out of that.

 

[TruSaint]

Fair enough mate but saying something 10 years ago in a different day and age is a bit different to making a blatant misleading statement for the purpose of a forum debate when you have a post from 16 weeks prior indicating the exact opposite. If your view changes, fine, but at least qualify that instead of implying your view has been consistent the whole time.

I'm happy to debate in here and enjoy it but for the purpose of a debate, making misleading statements defeats it.

I agree we weren't good enough last night with the ball in hand and that's where the game was won and lost, but from what I saw it was a definite improvement on past performances and I personally can take some hope out of that.

All good mate.

Fact is, all of us here are tragics. We love the Club, and its understandable to have opinions vary.

I will probably post in the next few days that " i wont watch the next game ", only to find me on the game day thread.

 

[Ghostface Killah]

Just look at the storm for the same effect but just flipped to the positive.

Please don't disrespect the Storm by mentioning them in a thread dedicated to Anthony Griffin.

 

[Trifili13]

Not wanting to support Mary (as he has to shoulder some or even most of the blame as the coach) but, given the basic errors that continue to plague our team, maybe the players aren't that good. Does anyone really think we had a good enough team to make the finals consistently but it was mostly down to Mary's poor coaching that we f#*ked up each year and ended up closer to the bottom than the top?

 

[Crush]

Your expectations must've changed somewhere along the way then mate because you said bottom 4 in the round 4 v Newcastle thread.

I said bottom 4 because I didn’t think they had the right coach or roster.
Guess I was right?
I expect however (or would deem a successful season) a top 8 finish.
Now go get some fresh air brother and stop sifting through posts in an attempt to win the internet!

 

[VodkaSaint]

I Haven't watched the Last few Games live and dont intend to watch the rest, like i said, it is too hard.
I have replied to posts and read most comments.
I truly hope It is better year next year .
The team has really not given two shits about the fans by going to that BBQ

 

[Ghostface Killah]

Not wanting to support Mary (as he has to shoulder some or even most of the blame as the coach) but, given the basic errors that continue to plague our team, maybe the players aren't that good. Does anyone really think we had a good enough team to make the finals consistently but it was mostly down to Mary's poor coaching that we f#*ked up each year and ended up closer to the bottom than the top?

No. You're wrong, because Mary was the biggest f**king moron of a coach since the competition started in 1908.

f**k Paul McGregor.

 

[Gareth67]

I still believe that Griffin will get the Dragons moving in the right direction come next season . This year was never going to hit any great heights , too much deadwood was always going to weigh the team down . However without those players - stumbling blocks - there in 2022 the team will certainly play much better footy .

The real hard work will be in the off-season , when the coach must sit done with his players - individually and tell them just what he expects from then in the new season .

With the new members of the squad - Molo and S’ua send them both out for their bruising defense . Burgess for his smashing runs , essentially assign each player a role , but also to play as a cohesive unit - a team .

Perhaps most importantly to tell the players as a group , that last season is gone and in this season of 2022 we start afresh . At least that is my take on what requires to be done to get the Dragons back to the semis .

 

[OneEyedDragon]

Top 8.
That was my expectation of 2021.
Playing finals this year was a pass.
2022 top 4.
That is what my expectations are/were.

Sounds good, but for me, this was a hoped for goal, not an expectation. My hopes were high after 5 rounds, but, from then on, nada.

 

[Dragon David]

I still believe that Griffin will get the Dragons moving in the right direction come next season . This year was never going to hit any great heights , too much deadwood was always going to weigh the team down . However without those players - stumbling blocks - there in 2022 the team will certainly play much better footy .

The real hard work will be in the off-season , when the coach must sit done with his players - individually and tell them just what he expects from then in the new season .

With the new members of the squad - Molo and S’ua send them both out for their bruising defense . Burgess for his smashing runs , essentially assign each player a role to play in the team , but also to play as a cohesive unit - a team .

Perhaps most importantly to tell the players as a group , that last season is gone and in this season of 2022 we start afresh . At least that is my take on what requires to be done to get the Dragons back to the semis .

We need a game breaker and a player with speed Gareth. If Hook can get these for us, then I can feel more comfortable for a much better year in 2022.

Hook has no doubt tried very hard to get us to finish in the top 8this year. It is his first year with us and he has had many problems to sort through which have been well documented in this Forum.

He wants to remain positive for the balance of this year as it is the right mode of operations to still set goals as the head coach. If we lose them all without a fight then someone has to take the fall. If we lose with a fight then there should be praise. If we win a couple, someone will be a hero.

Next year I am hoping for more success with 2023 being better still.

 

[Illusion]

We need a game breaker and a player with speed Gareth. If Hook can get these for us, then I can feel more comfortable for a much better year in 2022.

Hook has no doubt tried very hard to get us to finish in the top 8this year. It is his first year with us and he has had many problems to sort through which have been well documented in this Forum.

He wants to remain positive for the balance of this year as it is the right mode of operations to still set goals as the head coach. If we lose them all without a fight then someone has to take the fall. If we lose with a fight then there should be praise. If we win a couple, someone will be a hero.

Next year I am hoping for more success with 2023 being better still.

David we have one , game breaker with speed , but it seems no one knows how to use him even if its not at fullback .......

 

[SAP58]

It will be interesting to see what Hook does with his coaching staff next year. I believe Gentle is the defensive coach and Elliott is the attacking coach. Clearly our defence has not been of FG standard and our attack isnt much better. Do we put this down to Hook eventually getting a better squad or does he need to look for better assistants ? I am a regular listener to the Red V Podcasts each week and ALL of the Jersey Flegg players sing the praises of Willie Talau as a coach and his preparation and player management. It seems they all have a lot of respect for his ability and future as a coach. Others may have an opinion as well on his ability but if we have a good up and coming coach I hope he is looked after and offered further opportunities, we have lost a few good ones in the past.

 

[Old Timer]

Many in here have over rated our squad for years and that is the 1st part of the problem we face.

The squad is god damned awful and no doubt many have held on to false allegiances to Mc Fookknuckle and that is plain to see in the disintegrating efforts on the paddock and the don't give a shit attitude re the BBQ.

MC Fookknuckle at different stages had a much superior squad to work with and he deskilled almost all of them as well as busting plenty of them physically and the notion that Hook has a similar quality squad is just laughable.

We are anything but attractive or competitive and the playing squad barely going through the motions as obviously the cleaners are being put through the place and some don't like that but the simple fact is this would have happened to any coach other than the top 2 or 3 coaches and the only reason why they are exempt is they would never have signed up for the gig.

Hard to know what will transpire form here but fingers crossed the culture now changes and we start to climb out of this doldrum.

By the way Hook and the team has been totally hampered by the lack of time he could put into the young ones due to that comp being so disrupted and if anyone thinks you can just toss them in and see what happens needs to appreciate that we are not a strong club with plenty of depth to guide them FMD we don't even have any depth in reggies to help them so Hook has a really tough gig.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Many in here have over rated our squad for years and that is the 1st part of the problem we face.

The squad is god damned awful and no doubt many have held on to false allegiances to Mc Fookknuckle and that is plain to see in the disintegrating efforts on the paddock and the don't give a shit attitude re the BBQ.

MC Fookknuckle at different stages had a much superior squad to work with and he deskilled almost all of them as well as busting plenty of them physically and the notion that Hook has a similar quality squad is just laughable.

We are anything but attractive or competitive and the playing squad barely going through the motions as obviously the cleaners are being put through the place and some don't like that but the simple fact is this would have happened to any coach other than the top 2 or 3 coaches and the only reason why they are exempt is they would never have signed up for the gig.

Hard to know what will transpire form here but fingers crossed the culture now changes and we start to climb out of this doldrum.

By the way Hook and the team has been totally hampered by the lack of time he could put into the young ones due to that comp being so disrupted and if anyone thinks you can just toss them in and see what happens needs to appreciate that we are not a strong club with plenty of depth to guide them FMD we don't even have any depth in reggies to help them so Hook has a really tough gig.

Great Post, OT.

 

[Crush]

Many in here have over rated our squad for years and that is the 1st part of the problem we face.

The squad is god damned awful and no doubt many have held on to false allegiances to Mc Fookknuckle and that is plain to see in the disintegrating efforts on the paddock and the don't give a shit attitude re the BBQ.

MC Fookknuckle at different stages had a much superior squad to work with and he deskilled almost all of them as well as busting plenty of them physically and the notion that Hook has a similar quality squad is just laughable.

We are anything but attractive or competitive and the playing squad barely going through the motions as obviously the cleaners are being put through the place and some don't like that but the simple fact is this would have happened to any coach other than the top 2 or 3 coaches and the only reason why they are exempt is they would never have signed up for the gig.

Hard to know what will transpire form here but fingers crossed the culture now changes and we start to climb out of this doldrum.

By the way Hook and the team has been totally hampered by the lack of time he could put into the young ones due to that comp being so disrupted and if anyone thinks you can just toss them in and see what happens needs to appreciate that we are not a strong club with plenty of depth to guide them FMD we don't even have any depth in reggies to help them so Hook has a really tough gig.

OT, given Hook is only signed until end of 2022, next year are you extending him
A. Regardless of what happens with results
B. Only if the team is avoiding the bottom four
C. Only if the team is making the finals
D. Only if the team is a premiership threat.

Coaching is a results driven business IMO, very simple to quantify.
My answer would be C.

 

[thebigredv]

OT, given Hook is only signed until end of 2022, next year are you extending him
A. Regardless of what happens with results
B. Only if the team is avoiding the bottom four
C. Only if the team is making the finals
D. Only if the team is a premiership threat.

Coaching is a results driven business IMO, very simple to quantify.
My answer would be C.

In a nutshell we can't have another year of excuses and 40 min footy. This club can't afford that. By the start of next year the coach should have been able to put together a decent side ready to put in 80 min efforts. My faith for one has been tested enough. Listening to all these stories of decades long supporters no longer watching genuinely upsets me.

If he gets us into finals that would be enough for a one year extension. Failing that, honestly the heart the Warriors are showing id welcome our little blonde haired hooker back as coach before giving him another go.