Scotty Dureau - Supersub or Supercoach?

[General Knight]

I would be happy having Finch at the club too, I'd take him if we had the chance but I'd rather we get a starting NRL standard prop first cause atm we only have one in Cross. We got Tolar but hes injured, theres Wicks but hes still on the 'potential' list, we got Timmy whos still a rookie and the rest are backrowers turn props.

Not convinced with Tafua as a starting prop, he seems to be better in the second row or on the bench and I'm also not comfotable with Faas waay too butterfingers. Everytime he has the ball you could almost toss a coin on whether he will drop it or not, sure he has done some good things but I'd rather he stay out of the side all together atleast until he can do something about those hands.

 

[Stranger]

:lol:

Mate..... :shock:

I am sure that some parra fans would happily swap them :lol:.

Dureau is the best Half-Back at the club. I would go as far to say the Scotty plays a more important role than Mullen at our club. Quote me on that if you like.

I couldn't have said it better myself Strewthie.

 

[Karmawave]

:lol:

Mate..... :shock:

I am sure that some parra fans would happily swap them :lol:.

Dureau is the best Half-Back at the club.

For sure, but he wouldn't be if Brett Finch was at the club ;-)


Mate you are talking about a premiership and NSW Origin winning halfback and comparing him to Dureau. It looks silly.

Love Finch or hate him, there's no comparison as it stands.

Just like how ' class ' is a term used in horse racing, the class gap can be way more indicative of things in footy as well, more so than just judging on current form.

 

[Serc]

Would you like me to bump my Shannon Hegarty post Karma?

Finch and Dureau are both good first grade players (obviously with some potential thrown in there with Scotty) but your obsession with representative selection in rating players is not the best thing to constantly rely on. I'd probably not complain if Finch came here, but I prefer Scotty at least for now over Finchy and most 'average FG halves' as he would be on less $$$ than practically all starting halfbacks in the comp.

 

[macavity]

Would you like me to bump my Shannon Hegarty post Karma?

we are short on props - should go after Richard Villasanti... :sarcasm:

 

[Karmawave]

Don't be silly about Shannon Hegarty. Its a dumb approach and you know it :lol:

Clearly there's a lot of people who play rep footy who shouldn't , but I don't have a problem with Finch doing so.

He plays a position that is vital. ( So no , not a disposable useless twat playing wing like Hegarty or a one year wonder like Vilasanti )...


Brett Finch won a competition as halfback. And has led NSW to a win as halfback.

Last I looked the Eels are 2-1 as well if we are talking about current results...

 

[Karmawave]

Actually, i'd like to see Scott Dureau become Supercoach, because as a halfback he might make a very good coach.

;-)

Maybe he can be assistant next year to Rohan Smith.

 

[Joker's Wild]

And that try where Supersub somehow got HELD UP over the line when he simply had to fall through the gap 2 meters out was awful.

If anything showed what a detriment his size is, that would have been it.

Are you havin a bath mate? He had to push through just to get to the line let or loan get it down with the attention of 3 players.

Jeez Karma, no wonder its so hard to take you seriously when you come up with comments like that.

 

[Johns Magic]

Brett Finch won a competition as halfback.

When?

 

[Serc]

I'm guessing it was with the Roosters, but I haven't bothered checking if he was in their team when they did win it a few years back...

Or is that your way of saying he wasn't playing for the Roosters that year

 

[CJG 182]

It's just Karma's way of arguing. Making facts up.

Wing was the halfback in 02.

Shaun Timmins won a game at 5/8th for NSW should we go sign him and punt Mullen?

 

[The_Joey_Show]

Spot on CJG. Wing was the halfback in 02. The year the Roosters won the comp Finch was playing for Canberra, who didn't make the semis. Just like teams that Finch plays for usually don't.

 

[Karmawave]

True true, Finch was the halfback when they choked against the Bulldogs and when Penrith defeated them in an upset.


I'd still take him anyday over the hot and cold Dureau.

He is something Dureau will never, ever be - a rep player.

CJG, I hardly just " make facts up " , and I'm the first here to admit if I get information wrong. My opinions might be wrong in your opinion, but usually the facts are right 9.9 times out of 10.

Christ people here are thick. Bringing up retired or well past it rep players just because they played rep. :lol:

Last I looked Finch is still playing, and has won more games than Newcastle this year. As recently as last season he was being seriously considered for the NSW halfback position. He has also made the semi finals 5 seasons out of his 9 when he has been a regular starter ( and yes I checked those facts ), so define ' usually miss the playoffs ' for me? Bit ripe to question his ability when we have made how many semi final appearances in the last 5 years?

Not sure why the focus just on Finch. We would be very desperate indeed if we had to rely on Brett Finch. Someone asked me if I'd take him over Dureau, and I said yes.

Does it mean I think he is the answer? NO.

Keep things in context.

 

[CJG 182]

True true, Finch was the halfback when they choked against the Bulldogs and when Penrith defeated them in an upset.


I'd still take him anyday over the hot and cold Dureau.

He is something Dureau will never, ever be - a rep player.

CJG, I hardly just " make facts up " , and I'm the first here to admit if I get information wrong. My opinions might be wrong in your opinion, but usually the facts are right 9.9 times out of 10.

Christ people here are thick. Bringing up retired or well past it rep players just because they played rep. :lol:

Last I looked Finch is still playing, and has won more games than Newcastle this year. As recently as last season he was being seriously considered for the NSW halfback position. He has also made the semi finals 5 seasons out of his 9 when he has been a regular starter ( and yes I checked those facts ), so define ' usually miss the playoffs ' for me? Bit ripe to question his ability when we have made how many semi final appearances in the last 5 years?

Not sure why the focus just on Finch. We would be very desperate indeed if we had to rely on Brett Finch. Someone asked me if I'd take him over Dureau, and I said yes.

Does it mean I think he is the answer? NO.

Keep things in context.

Alright so we'll keep things in context like you say.

Firstly, Finch is a rep player in the same way Mark Hughes was a rep player - via many many injuries.
He never has and never will be first, second or hell even third pick.

The Finch has won more games than Newcastle this year is a joke of an argument. It's round 3. In round 26 if its the same story sure, but if we're doing this, Matt Orford must be useless as it's round 3 and he still has zero wins.

Also if you watched the Parramatta vs Canberra game you would have noticed the Eels won in spite of Finch who was a perpetual f**k up again. And for close to the first time in history, the Raiders fans are justified in saying the ref cost them a game, it was ridiculously poor.

And you give Scott Dureau the likes of the Roosters team from 02-04, or Jarryd Hayne, Krisnan Inu, Ben Smith, Nathan Cayless, Nathan Hindmarsh, Feleti Mateo and he makes the semi finals regularly.

If given full time status over a couple years I don't think there's going to be much difference, if any, between the two players.

And while context is so important, this would be Dureau's 20th game? That's purely a guess but it wouldn't be too far from the mark. Around the same time Finch was leading Canberra to failure after failure.

BUT you're as stubborn and determined to find the negative as I am to give Scott a chance so we're never going to agree.

 

[Karmawave]

I've given Dureau a chance mate.

Plenty of them.

I don't even want him to be some legend, just consistent would do.

Consistency and Mullen outside of him is more than one can hope for from a player with his limited size and skills.

If I was to rank either Dureau or Finch, I'd have both in the bottom section of NRL halfbacks, so its not really the kind of comparison one would really want to make in the end to give us any great hope for the future.

As for Matt Orford, he is a bloody terrible halfback at the end of his career. No thanks on that front as well.

 

[CJG 182]

Well at least we agree on one thing in Re: Orford.

But I think in our halves it's not just Dureau who's lacking consistency..

I think those two given a chance to develop a proper partnership with no screwing around in the halves by Smith could see a big improvement.

 

[Karmawave]

Well at least we agree on one thing in Re: Orford.

But I think in our halves it's not just Dureau who's lacking consistency..

I think those two given a chance to develop a proper partnership with no screwing around in the halves by Smith could see a big improvement.

100% agree.

I blame Smith just as much for Dureau's inconsistency than anything.

Chopping and changing halves around is the worst possible thing one can do for a footy team, and its not helping Dureau develop into a NRL halfback at all.

I'd prefer him to take the approach of ' ok Scott, the 7 is yours for the rest of the year , show us what you can do '...

Then after that, at the end of the year, he is still inconsistent and the team is still worse than mid table, we can look at it again with new ideas.

 

[CJG 182]

Yup, agree with that.

I've been a Smith supporter since the clean out.
But a couple of his moves lately are starting to make me scratch my head. (And no its not the last minute changes )

If he gave the halves to Scott and Mullo for the year, and if they got a fair run,
eg, it would be hard to blame them for losses if Simpson, Patto, Gids, Sau etc are out and we don't look like the same team.

But all the same give them a year or so and re-assess then.

Not just for Scott's sake, but for Mullen and the rest of the team as well.

 

[Rolla]

I was impressed with Dureau's short kicking game always caught Souths wingers napping. If only Uate new how to pass

Definitely agree, his short and crossfield kicking looked great.should try it for Akus wing more and jimmy's less though maybe.

In regards to Uate not passing i think we would of been better off if kurt wasnt inside calling for the ball, he was only going to get tackled straight away. i think if Aku concentrated solely on beating the fullback he was a good shot. instead he just looked confused lol.

 

[Jono078]

His best option would have been the grubber, but I doubt that's going through his mind when first he is trying to beat the fullback and as you said Kurt was probably screaming for the ball lol.

Then again, I have no idea if Uate knows how to kick a ball