Season 2024 over

[BLM01]

You can use stats to support any argument you want.
As the saying goes, there are 3 types of lies, "lies, damned lies and statistics"

And comparing years with different variables, injuries, suspensions, some inside some outside our control is flawed with danger
At worst you say the seasons were comparable and on par overall as both seasons 2022 and 2024 we fell 1 win short of the 8
The one difference @Old Timer neglects is that was Hook's 2nd year in after having a look at the squad for 1 1/2' years.
Who cares if your losses are an average of 40 points diff if they are minimal enough you win the comp
He hates Flanno Yes and will search long and hard to prove his point that we are not improving
I say just keep looking at the scoreboard
Lets see what Flanno''s 2nd year brings and then compare

 

[Sloan Ranger]

Here's another stat, for and against.

2019 minus 148
2020 minus 74
2021 minus 142
2022 minus 100
2023 minus 199
2024 minus 124 so far

That covers a mixture of coaches and players.

That's a management problem.

 

[since77]

Here's another stat, for and against.

2019 minus 148
2020 minus 74
2021 minus 142
2022 minus 100
2023 minus 199
2024 minus 124 so far

That covers a mixture of coaches and players.

That's a management problem.

Wow that's damning isn't it? Our club has literally assembled a roster that can't tackle.

 

[Dragon David]

Wow that's damning isn't it? Our club has literally assembled a roster that can't tackle.

It certainly shows that our deeefence has been putrid for many a year and then some. But in saying that it also reflects on the poor offence because if we had scored more points than what we did, the for and against differential could have been either positive or closer to it but still not good enough to make finals.

 

[Sloan Ranger]

Obviously a finals team needs a good coach, good forwards, good halves and good backs. We rarely tick more than 2 of those boxes at the one time. That's a management problem.

 

[chowiesplatterpoo2]

Dolphins and Knights will draw this week and we will win...

 

[since77]

It certainly shows that our deeefence has been putrid for many a year and then some. But in saying that it also reflects on the poor offence because if we had scored more points than what we did, the for and against differential could have been either positive or closer to it but still not good enough to make finals.

I said on another thread that if we'd conceded just 1 converted try less per game we'd still be in 8th and playing for something on the weekend despite our woeful defence. But yeah I was gobsmacked by those stats that @Sloan Ranger provided. We've spent 5 or six years assembling a team of individuals who can't defend!!! You can't make this stuff up. The Dragons Way.

 

[John moz]

Massive disappointment to the end of season. Flanno now should have his way for a complete clean out of coaching staff and players that have let him down

 

[hewi]

The Dragons must banish two in 2025, and what to do with Ben Hunt?

The Dragons have a number of big calls to make this off-season.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Some stats to consider when evaluating our season

2022 Wins 12 Losses 12
2024 Thus far Wins 11 Losses 12

In the games we won in 2022
Ave points scored 21.75 so 1 point every 3.7 minute
Ave points scored against us 13.65 so 1 point every 5.85 minutes

In the games we won in 2024
Ave points scored 28.5 so 1 point every 2.8 minutes
Ave points scored against us 12.9 so 1 point every 6.2 minutes

So we won games by a higher margin but a win by 1 point is worth the same as a win by a 20 points but fair to say there is higher enjoyment in bigger wins.

In the games we lost in 2022
Ave points scored by us 14.85 so 1 point every 5.4 minutes
Ave points scored against us 32.5 so 1 point every 2.5 minutes
The differential to make up between wins and losses was 19 points per game.

In the games we have lost thus far in 2024
Ave points scored by us 14.1 so 1 point every 5.65 minutes
Ave points scored against us 39 so 1 point every 2.06 minutes
The differential to make up between wins and losses is now 26 points per game.

So anyone who thinks we are improving needs to understand what the statistics around our losses actually means.

After all, it’s the losses that must be turned around so this year compared to 2022 we scored similar points and conceded more points per game in our losses so that means less time in possession and a greater margin to pull back.

I for the life of me can’t see how that can be a sign of anything other than going backwards.

Now for those that insist on looking at 2023 then IMO we should only look at the games Hook coached of which we lost 8.

Our opposition scored an average of 28 points per game in each of those losses so a point every 2.85 minutes.

We scored an average of 17.25 points per game in each of those losses so a point every 4.63 minutes.

The differential to make up between losses and wins was 11 points per game.

These losses led to Hook being punted yet when you look at the raw numbers in respect of the nature of those losses in 2023 they were far less devastating than those of either 2022 or 2024 and the task to turning things around re semi final footy was in some ways closer.

So IMO in 2024 we have picked some very low hanging fruit to get some wins off a very much easier base than the challenge that now confronts us.

Wins against top 8 sides:
2022 - Souths (7th), Canberra (8th)
2024 - Manly (7th), Panther (2nd), Storm (1st), Dolphins (probably 8th)
At least we showed we could compete with the big boys in 2024.

Biggest Home Crowd:
2022 - 16,000 at WIN against Wests Tigers
2024 - 19,000 at WIN against Penrith
So a 20% improvement on attendances when you don't play stodgeball with a bunch of old queensland players.

My purely unbiased opinion is that compared to 2022, this year we played better, but yes we also played worse. Which would you rather support? A consistent but poor side with no likelihood of improvement, or a side that occassionally rises to great heights with the hope of better to come?